From: "Carolyn"To: Subject: Have A Langsam Inquiry Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 02:11:40 -0400 Hi Moishe, I am working on a tree for a fellow here on Long Island.(He has the tree, I have the computer) He has a Langsam family in the Bronx, and I couldn't find any information on your web page...So I'm hoping you have something in your database that will help tell me more about the family. I contacted Susan Wynne two years ago, and she wouldn't give me the time of day...forget any help or information. The attachment has all the basic info on it. I will be sending photo's of headstones to you hoping you can tell me more about the people. The photo's are marked. Thanks, Carolyn Putterman St. James, NY Cousins Rose & Anna.jpg ______________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 23:53:20 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Have A Langsam Inquiry Dear Carol, I am fascinated by what you sent. I do not have a clear connection yet, but everything fits in with the family. We had MANY Hersh Mylech (Tzvi Elimelech) Langsam's in the family. Chunks of the tree came from both Kanczuga and Prezworsk.Can you provide siblings names or when these people came to the USA? Please stay in touch. I would be interested to see any other scans you might have. Thanks! Moishe ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Have A Langsam Inquiry Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 02:02:39 -0400 Well Moishe, here it is...... Louis & Anna (Langsam) Katz both immigrated between 1888-1891. I haven't determined if they were married in Poland or here in NY. I found three Langsam ladies on the NYC marriage index, but none were Anna. (I do have copies of those marriage records) Their Children all born in NY Harry - 1894 - 1961 Irving - 1896-1962 Agusta (Gussie) 1898-1988 Charles - 1901-1979 Molly Esther - 1903-1996 Morris - 1911-living ========================================= Morris Waldman (his parents Joseph Waldman & Eva Berger) He immigrated in 1888. Some of his children came in with him, and others came in before 1891. From what I can determine, Rose Waldman and Anna (Langsam) Katz may have come in together. Further work to be done at NARA. The last one to arrive was Nathan in 1900 with a daughter Pauline. (Who does not show up on the Ellis Island DataBase, but I did find him on the Holland American Database at the NYCPL on microfiche). My main question about Nathan is, who was he living with in Poland if the rest of his family was here? Morris Waldman's headstone alludes to him being a Rabbi. He was not a Rabbi here, but a Kosher wine merchant on Attorney Street. Nathan born in Prezworsk, married a women from Krakow, a Reisner, who could also be a Rabbinical Family. I have always wondered if Nathan was in studies for Rabbinical work, and wasn't very good at it, and they threw him out….if that is possible. His Children that we know of….could have had more in Poland The range in DOB's kinda tells me he did have 2 wives and more kids. Louis - 1862-1910 Fanny - 1866-1950 Jenny - 1875-1938 Nathan - 1876-1944 Rose - 1880-1940 Molly - 1885-1944 Rose Waldman and Anna Langsam were VERY close. From family members who knew the ladies, "these two women were almost inseparable". They lived within 2 blocks of each other in the Bronx. Both families lived on the Lower East Side until the mid twenty's and moved "en mass" to the Bronx. I have six photos' I'll be sending to you. I don't read Hebrew hopefully you do. Maybe you can gleen some information from the stones. Morris Waldman's stone is hard to read in the photo's. The fellow who translated the stone was not good at it either. I sure would like a good translation some day. He is buried at Union Fields Cemetery, Sinavar Cong. Anche Sfaard - Section 54 - Row 1 Plot 5 I do thank you very much for getting back to me. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Anna (Langsam) Katz Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:55:06 -0400 Anna Katz.jpg Do you know anything about this fellow? Ephraim Langsam.jpg Do you know anything about this fellow? Joseph Langsam.jpg Look at the top of the headstone carefully..... Louis Katz.jpg Do you now anything about this lady? Rose Langsam.jpg Do you know anything about this lady? Yetta Langsam.jpg Do you know anything about this fellow? Louis Langsam.jpg Rose Rich.jpg ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:26:59 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Rose Waldman Rich (Reich) The Hebrew: Mrs. Rivka, daughter of R' Moshe Passed away 13 Adar II 5700 ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:28:09 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Louis Langsam At 02:00 AM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Do you know anything about this fellow? Not offhand but I will research. Hebrew: Here lies Leib son of Kalman passed away on 13 Tamuz, 5761 (1961) ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:29:07 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Yetta Langsam At 01:59 AM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Do you know anything about this lady? Not yet. The Hebrew: Here lies Ita daughter of R' Shlomo Alter ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:31:06 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Rose Langsam At 01:58 AM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Do you now anything about this lady? Not yet. Hebrew: Here lies my wife and our mother Raizel daughter of R' Ephraim Shmuel passed away on 3 Kislev 5694 ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:33:41 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Louis Katz At 01:58 AM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Look at the top of the headstone carefully..... That is the symbol of the Kohain blessing the people. Katz is an abbreviation for "Kohain Tzedek" - righteous Kohain. Hebrew: Here lies Aryeh son of R' Yehuda the Kohain passed away 5 Teves 5704 ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:34:24 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Joseph Langsam At 01:57 AM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Do you know anything about this fellow? Not yet. Hebrew: Here lies Yosef the son of R' Moshe ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:36:12 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Ephriam Langsam At 01:55 AM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Do you know anything about this fellow? Not yet. Hebrew: Here lies our dear father R' Ephraim son of R' Yakov passed away on 20 Tishrei 5786 ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:37:48 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Anna (Langsam) Katz At 01:55 AM 10/2/02 -0400, you wrote: Hebrew: Here lies Nentczia daughter of R' Tzvi Elimelech passed away on 21 Tishrei 5702 ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:41:11 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: RE: Have A Langsam Inquiry Hi, Thanks SOOO much for all you have sent so far. Did Anna have any siblings? Can her son Morris tell us? What about here father, Tzvi Elimelech (Hersh Mylech), did he have any known siblings? Any known cousins. I do have someone else in the tree with that strange Hebrew name, Nentczia. Who did Gussie and Molly marry? Also, Can you send me copies of the marriage records that you do have? Please let me know how we can continue to work together. I will continue to review what I have in an effort to place this branch. Moishe ______________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 23:34:31 -0400 To: dig-it@nvbb.net From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Kanczuga and Katz Hi, I saw your JewishGen posting. Can you tell me about your family? Was there a Nantczia Langsam married to a Katz? She was born around 1873. Thanks! Moishe Miller ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Have A Langsam Inquiry Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:34:15 -0400 Hi Moishe, Ah what a blessing to read Hebrew. Look for my answers in your text below ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Anna (Langsam) Katz Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:34:20 -0400 Moishe, you will have to forgive me. I need some education.... Since I'm not Jewish, and not knowing the naming patterns for European names, would his full name be R' Tzvi Elimelech Langsam? Am reading the translations correctly.... none of the Langsam men I sent you are brothers, but are just three Langsam men from Kanzuga. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: More on Nentczia (Langsam)Katz Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:10:11 -0400 Moishe, I just went through some of my notes. And took another look at the death certificate on Nentczia (Langsam)Katz. When I was in Florida last year, I was speaking with the grandson of Louis and Nentczia (Langsam)Katz. He didn't think his great grandmothers name was Goldie Epstein but Rina Tuchfeld who was the wife of Hirsh (Harry) Langsam, Nentczia's father. I will see if I can get better information to confirm this. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: Rose (Waldman) Rich Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:01:11 -0400 Moishe, here is a census page on Rose Look who is living in the next apartment... Carolyn Sam Rich 1910MED766pg11AIM21-1.doc Sam & Rose Rich 51 Cannon St., Manhattan 1910 Census - ED 766 - pg 11A Ancestry Image 21 Census Date 4-19-1910 ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:09:06 -0400 Moishe, We have been discussing Kanczuga & Katz This whole tree belongs to my dear friend Michael P. Schoenfeld, and I've been working on it for over 10 years with him. I have the genealogy background and computer....all he's got is the tree. ;) Carolyn ______________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 20:50:28 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Hi, I think I may have a match. I found a Hersh Mylech, which is a nickname for Tzvi Elimelech. Tzvi in Hebrew means a deer. Hersh is the Yiddish word for deer. He was Kanczuga and was known by his middle name, Mylech. He was married to a Goldy, surname unknown. For some details, see H2 at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/reisl-h2.htm If they are the same people, then Reisel is the sister of Anna. Also, for the people living next door to the Rich's, please see H13 at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/efrm-h13.htm Furthermore, is your Schoenfeld connected to my tree through his paternal line? I have MANY Schoenfeld's. Please see: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/bny-yscr.htm For another Nantze, please see http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/saml-h15.htm Another startling concept, there are Reich's in the tree from Kanczuga as well. Again on page http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/bny-yscr.htm there is a daughter Baila, who had married R' Shimon Yeshaya Reich, had an unnamed daughter. This daughter had a son, R' Shimon Yeshaya Reich, who was judge (in Jewish court) in Kanczuga. You can view http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/eidb.htm and do a find on "Kan" to see Langsam's that came from Kanczuga. I think this Morris is VERY important to us. Please try to find out more about his aunts or uncles. Who were his maternal grandfather's siblings? Does he know of any Langsam cousins? Lastly (for now), do you have any of the death records for the Langsam's you found in the cemetery? Hope I have not overwhelmed you, Moishe ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:39:23 -0400 Hi Moishe, You haven't overwhelmed me....after doing this for many years, I have gotten used to it. The thing that is throwing me are the european names....do they translate any way to the english language? A call was made to Florida this am. Morris Katz passed away about 8 months ago. A call is being made this pm to another family member to try and retrieve information. The Schoenfelds aka Shenfeld's were from Ropczyce, the Rich's aka Reich's were from Sambor. I'll let you know what transpires, and thanks for all the links.... I have never done a european genealogy before. My tree is all USA back to 1673. I know my people are from England, but where....who knows. Working on this tree I have enjoyed. Learning all the history, customs, geography etc... Later Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:01:25 -0400 Moishe, On the EIDB there is the following listing that I saw before that interested me.... 39 Estera Langsam - Father: Janes? Langsam. Born and lived in Kanczuga Uncle: Max Grunberg, 38 E 3 Ave, NYC On three of the Waldman Death Certs, thee is a Paula/Pauline Grunberg listed as the mother. Do you have any Waldmans' or Weltz's floating around in all those people...? Oh I forgot to answer one of your questions....Do I have any death certs for the people in the Kanczuga plot? Only Louis and Anna Katz.. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: Another Langsam Question Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:21:44 -0400 Moishe, You have mentioned several times a town "ABD Rybotycze" Is that the same as what is known today as Ropczyce? I live very close to SUNY at Stony Brook. I found up there on microfiche the following map: Austro-Hungarian Monarchy 1875 by the Militargeographisches Institut. Call No: G6480 s75.A84 Microfiche #A937. I copied it while in Wash DC last month, but it is nice to know it is in my back yard if I need it. I'm in the process of scotch taping the sections together to find the town the Waldman's came from. Phonetically, it is spelled Yel-schild. Got that pronunciation straight from a lady who's mother was one of the Waldman's that immigrated in to the US. She just died about 9 months ago at the age of 98. Boy was she sharp of mind. I have all the reference pages ready to fax to Mike after I send this note. I don't get overwhelmed with information, but it will take him DAYS to figure it out. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: OH I forgot Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:48:53 -0400 my manners. I got soooooo excited about all the information you sent that I forgot my manners... My apologies... Moishe, THANK YOU ! Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:12:40 -0400 Moishe May I impose on you for some education? Do these two names translate to Langsam? Hersh Mylech or Tzvi Elimelech If he was married to Goldy, that may be the Goldie Epstein on Anna (Langsam) Katz's death certificate. How does one translate the name Moritz Waldman? If I know how it looks, then I know what I'm looking for when investegating other records. Thank you Carolyn ______________________________________________________ Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 02:35:09 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Hersh Mylech is a nickname for Tzvi Elimelech. These are both used as given names, not surnames. Langsam, a surname, translates from Yiddish or German to mean "slowly". Moritz, a given name, can be any one of several Hebrew names, including Moshe or Menachem (Mendel). ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:03:39 -0400 Thanks Moishe, so I'm still looking for the same last name, but the first two names will read different...got it. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:36:02 -0400 Moishe, I am looking over again the links you sent to me again. On this one http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/reisl-h2.htm you said "If they are the same people, then Reisel is the sister of Anna" Have one small problem with it...you take a look at it again. Reisel Langsam (Feb 20, 1864 - ?), daughter of Meilach and Golda Langsam of Kanczuga, Poland, Meliach Langsam passed away before his daughter was actually born. This information comes from Polish records, as researched by Mr. Arye Barkai and Ms. Suzan Wynne. My Anna(Nentshya)Langsam was born September 15,1873 Meliach Langsam died 10 years before Anna was born....unless of course Golda married another Meilach Langsam or Harry Langsam.... Do you know if Reisel's American name was Bessie? There is an Isaac and Bessie Adler buried in the same group as Nentshya at Mt Zion. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: Langsam Book Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:46:24 -0400 Hi Moishe, Mike Schoenfeld would like to take a look at Suzan Wynne's book. He wanted me to ask if it was available at any library, and if not, how much is it? We both want to take a closer look at L2.0.2 Made contact with the lady in Florida. She has a picture of Anna(Nentshya)Langsam AND HER SISTER in her wedding album. We are in the process of getting copies of the whole album.... yeah! Carolyn ______________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:45:47 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz I agree. We need to find the source and find out what they meant and how they knew. I still think it is possible. ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Kanczuga and Katz Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:28:01 -0400 I have to agree with you....however, if that Langsam died, then the only way would be if Golda married his brother or cousin by the name of Harry Langsam. Can you follow up on the person, and get them to site the source? Later Carolyn ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: Przemysl, Poland Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:18:51 -0400 Moishe, What Langsams do you have in Przemysl....may have a new lead. Carolyn ______________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:35:12 -0400 To: "Carolyn" From: "moishe@langsam.com" Subject: Re: Przemysl, Poland There are quite a few branches from there. The largest stemming from an Avrohom Langsam, married twice with children from both marriages. What did you find? Moishe ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: I really need some education Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:11:42 -0400 I have some questions.... I was reading the Przemysl Memorial Book this pm I don't understand the following entry... LANGSAM pg 286 Yehoshua Fisch (Langsam) Why is the last name Langsam in perenthies? I was reading the Spira pages you have on the web also. How come people change their names? Is there any published genealogies on the Kohain decendents or families? Premysl Memorial Book.xls ______________________________________________________ From: moishe@langsam.com [mailto:moishe@langsam.com] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 8:35 PM To: Carolyn Subject: Re: Przemysl, Poland There are quite a few branches from there. The largest stemming from an Avrohom Langsam, married twice with children from both marriages. What did you find? Moishe ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: RE: Przemysl, Poland Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:11:46 -0400 Read this.... *Anna (Nentshya) Langsam was with Louis Katz in Przemysl - They probably were married there *She was born September 15, 1873...fast math tells me that she 17 and was married shortly before they sailed. *The "Werkdendam" arrived in NYC on Sept 18th, 1891 That is if this whole thing is true.... ==================================================== Declaration of Intention: Date - Dec 2, 1918 - Bronx County In the Supreme Court of Bronx County I Louis Katz, aged 55 years, occupation Peddeler, do declare on oath that my personal description is: Color white, complexion fair, height 4 feet 10 inches, weight 110 pounds, color of hair Brown, color of eyes Brown other visible distinctive marks, none. I was born in Premizie Austria on the 15th day of Jan, anno Domini 1863; I now reside at 1443 Washington Ave, New York City, NY. I emigrated to the United States of America from Rotterdam, Holland on the vessel "unknown"; my last foreign residence was Premzil, Romania, wife Anna same address. It is my bona fide intention to renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, and particularly to Charles, Emperor of Austria and Apostolig King of Hungary, of whom I am now a subject; I arrived at the port of New York in the state of New York, on or about the 19th day of Sept, anno Domini 1891; I am not an anarchist; I am not a polygamist nor a believer in the practice of polygamy; and it is my intention if good faith to become a citizen of the United States of America and to permanently reside therein; So Help Me G-d. (Signature affixed) Subscribed and sworn to before me in the office of the Clerk of Court at New York City, NY this 2nd day of Dec, anno Domini 1918. Joseph M. Callahan Clerk of the Supreme Court ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: I really need some education Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:11:42 -0400 I have some questions.... I was reading the Przemysl Memorial Book this pm I don't understand the following entry... LANGSAM pg 286 Yehoshua Fisch (Langsam) Why is the last name Langsam in perenthies? I was reading the Spira pages you have on the web also. How come people change their names? Is there any published genealogies on the Kohain decendents or families? ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: Aron Langsam Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:42:47 -0500 Moishe, I have gone through all the available pages on the web for the Langsams. Have you been able to identify the parents of this listing from your Ellis Island Data Base? Any idea where he is buried? 15 Aron Langsam Barwald 1903 24 1879 Galicy, Hebrew 9 Feb 1903 M 15 M Zieten Bremen, Germany 164 1 Going to brother-in-law (?) Tuchfeld 1 page H36 I can't link him to any family you have posted. Might have a good lead on some more Langsams. Carolyn Putterman ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: Langsam Marriages Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:07:44 -0500 Moishe, I'm sending you three marriage records for Langsams in NYC. I got these through the FHL. Are you OK? You haven't answered my e-mail. Carolyn Putterman ______________________________________________________ From: "Carolyn" To: "Moishe Miller" Subject: Ellis Island Data Base Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:44:28 -0500 Hi Moishe, On this entry you have on your data base.... 15 Aron Langsam Barwald 1903 24 1879 Galicy, Hebrew 9 Feb 1903 M 15 M Zieten Bremen, Germany 164 1 Going to brother-in-law (?) Tuchfeld 1 page H36 Louis Langsam was going to Abraham Tucheld's in Brooklyn. Abraham was married to Minnie. Per her Immigration on 3-13-1913 they lived at 193 Buffalo Ave, Brooklyn Per the 1920 Census they lived at 7 Barrett St, Brooklyn I don't know if you have access to Ancestry.com. I do, and can get the census records and any thing else they have from my home. Hope this finds you well. Carolyn Putterman ______________________________________________________
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