$AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256835.00535C9E; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:10:30 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28036; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:10:32 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA38652 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:08:43 -0500 Received: from [128.197.87.233] (BIO87-MAC233.BU.EDU [128.197.87.233]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.9.3.buoit.v1.0)/8.9.3/(BU-S-10/28/1999-v1.0pre2)) with ESMTP id KAA08456 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:10:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <85256835.005233A3.00@notes2.prusec.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:11:18 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site PostedDate: 11/26/99 10:11:18 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/26/99 10:10:38 AM-11/26/99 10:10:39 AM,11/26/99 10:10:36 AM-11/26/99 10:10:37 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 11/26/99 10:10:37 AM Categories: $Revisions: Best would be on the page http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/yshyadvd.htm as an icon in the upper left corner that can be clicked to access the visual trees. david >Actually, the file at >http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/yshyadvg.txt >should be changed by Monday. I sent that out two days ago to California to >be published to the site. Should be done over the weekend. >The tree images were a little trickier. I have them done now. Any >preference as to where I anchor them in the site? >-Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.253.250.89]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256835.0050368E; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:36:08 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11234; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:36:11 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22588 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:34:21 -0500 Received: from [128.197.87.233] (BIO87-MAC233.BU.EDU [128.197.87.233]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.9.3.buoit.v1.0)/8.9.3/(BU-S-10/28/1999-v1.0pre2)) with ESMTP id JAA08109 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:36:09 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <85256835.004FFC5F.00@notes2.prusec.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:36:56 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site PostedDate: 11/26/99 09:36:56 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/26/99 09:36:12 AM-11/26/99 09:36:13 AM,11/26/99 09:36:12 AM-11/26/99 09:36:14 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 11/26/99 09:36:14 AM Categories: $Revisions: >Sorry for the long delay. I am working on it right now. >-Moishe > thanks > > >djw@bio.bu.edu >Wednesday November 24, 1999 05:57 PM >To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >cc: >Subject: Fwd: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site > > > > >Moshe, I am writing to follow-up on a request that I first emailed to you >back in August, 1999. > >Could you please, at this time, make the switch in family files posted on >your website? > >At a minimum, please delete from the website the page listed as 'Yeshaya >Dovid Spira Generation Report' as soon as possible. > >If you are also able to add the 'picture trees' that I provided earlier, >that would be great. > >david > > > >>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:30 -0500 >>To: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>From: "Dr. David Waxman" >>Subject: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site >>Cc: >>Bcc: >>X-Attachments: >> >>Moishe, please make the switch in files on your web site, as some family >>members object to the posting of the personal data on the younger family >>members now included in 'Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA/Generation No. >>1..'. Also see my earlier email below. >> >>david >> >>>Hi! >>>I got it and loaded it, I will hopefully get it over after Rosh Hashana. >>>However, I have two views for your tree out on the 'net (see it under my >>>new URL: www.langsam.com). One starts as >>>Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA >>> 1 Yeshaya David SPIRA - 1906 >> >>Keep this one. >> >> >>>and the other starts as >>>Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA >>>Generation No. 1 >> >>Please delete this one. >> >>> >>>You sent a 3 generation of the latter and two "tree pictures". >>>Do you want to send a 3 generation of the first? >> >>Not at this time. >> >>If you could just add the two "tree pictures" that would be great. >> >>Shanah Tovah for you and your (extended!) family. >> >>david > > > >Moshe, I am writing to follow-up on a request that I first emailed to you >back in August, 1999. > >Could you please, at this time, make the switch in family files posted on >your website? > >At a minimum, please deletefrom the website the page listed as 'Yeshaya >Dovid Spira Generation Report' as soon as possible. > >If you are also able to add the 'picture trees' that I provided earlier, >that would be great. > >david > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:30 -0500 > To: moishe_miller@prusec.com > From: "Dr. David Waxman" > Subject: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site > Cc: > Bcc: > X-Attachments: > > Moishe, please make the switch in files on your web site, as some family > members object to the posting of the personal data on the younger family > members now included in 'Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA/Generation > No. 1..'. Also see my earlier email below. > > david > > >Hi! > >I got it and loaded it, I will hopefully get it over after Rosh > Hashana. > >However, I have two views for your tree out on the 'net (see it under > my > >new URL: www.langsam.com). One starts as > >Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA > > 1 Yeshaya David SPIRA - 1906 > > Keep this one. > > > >and the other starts as > >Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA > >Generation No. 1 > > Please delete this one. > > > > >You sent a 3 generation of the latter and two "tree pictures". > >Do you want to send a 3 generation of the first? > > Not at this time. > > If you could just add the two "tree pictures" that would be great. > > Shanah Tovah for you and your (extended!) family. > > david $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.253.250.89]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256833.007E0382; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:56:24 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14920; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:56:28 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA34368 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:54:40 -0500 Received: from [128.197.87.233] (BIO87-MAC233.BU.EDU [128.197.87.233]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.9.3.buoit.v1.0)/8.9.3/(BU-S-10/28/1999-v1.0pre2)) with ESMTP id RAA05748 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:56:26 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1268638263==_ma============" Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:57:12 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Fwd: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site PostedDate: 11/24/99 05:57:12 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/24/99 05:56:27 PM-11/24/99 05:56:27 PM,11/24/99 05:56:28 PM-11/24/99 05:56:29 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 11/24/99 05:56:29 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moshe, I am writing to follow-up on a request that I first emailed to you back in August, 1999. Could you please, at this time, make the switch in family files posted on your website? At a minimum, please delete from the website the page listed as 'Yeshaya Dovid Spira Generation Report' as soon as possible. If you are also able to add the 'picture trees' that I provided earlier, that would be great. david >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:30 -0500 >To: moishe_miller@prusec.com >From: "Dr. David Waxman" >Subject: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Moishe, please make the switch in files on your web site, as some family >members object to the posting of the personal data on the younger family >members now included in 'Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA/Generation No. >1..'. Also see my earlier email below. > >david > >>Hi! >>I got it and loaded it, I will hopefully get it over after Rosh Hashana. >>However, I have two views for your tree out on the 'net (see it under my >>new URL: www.langsam.com). One starts as >>Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA >> 1 Yeshaya David SPIRA - 1906 > >Keep this one. > > >>and the other starts as >>Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA >>Generation No. 1 > >Please delete this one. > >> >>You sent a 3 generation of the latter and two "tree pictures". >>Do you want to send a 3 generation of the first? > >Not at this time. > >If you could just add the two "tree pictures" that would be great. > >Shanah Tovah for you and your (extended!) family. > >david Moshe, I am writing to follow-up on a request that I first emailed to you back in August, 1999. Could you please, at this time, make the switch in family files posted on your website? At a minimum, please deletefrom the website the page listed as 'Yeshaya Dovid Spira Generation Report' as soon as possible. If you are also able to add the 'picture trees' that I provided earlier, that would be great. david Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:50:30 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: "Dr. David Waxman" Subject: Re: YD Spira family tree files for Web site Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: Moishe, please make the switch in files on your web site, as some family members object to the posting of the personal data on the younger family members now included in 'Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA/Generation No. 1..'. Also see my earlier email below. david >Hi! >I got it and loaded it, I will hopefully get it over after Rosh Hashana. >However, I have two views for your tree out on the 'net (see it under my >new URL: www.langsam.com). One starts as >Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA > 1 Yeshaya David SPIRA - 1906 Keep this one. >and the other starts as >Descendants of Yeshaya David SPIRA >Generation No. 1 Please delete this one. > >You sent a 3 generation of the latter and two "tree pictures". >Do you want to send a 3 generation of the first? Not at this time. If you could just add the two "tree pictures" that would be great. Shanah Tovah for you and your (extended!) family. david $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256774.005432DE; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:19:40 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA56012; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:19:54 -0400 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA39078 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:18:56 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-196-69.s69.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.196.69]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id LAA07029 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 11:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <374032D6.BCAAAA4C@erols.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:16:38 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: [Fwd: LANCUT] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------168288C6EA3AA20CDF8DE84F" SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: [Fwd: LANCUT] PostedDate: 05/17/99 11:16:38 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 05/17/99 11:19:41 AM-05/17/99 11:19:42 AM,05/17/99 11:19:39 AM-05/17/99 11:19:42 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 05/17/99 11:19:42 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I thought you might find this interesting. Suzan Received: from mx02.erols.com ([207.172.3.242]) by mta3.mail.erols.net (InterMail v03.02.07.03 118-128) with ESMTP id <19990511002743.LOHK22020@mx02.erols.com> for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:43 -0400 Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by mx02.erols.com (8.8.8-970530/8.8.5/MX-980323-gjp) with ESMTP id UAA05767 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PUDLO (ppp15987.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.142.67]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA08785 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905110028.UAA08785@smtp13.bellglobal.com> X-Sender: jassep@pop52.bellglobal.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Suzan Wynne From: Peter Jassem Subject: Re: LANCUT X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 In you last message you said that there were Muhlrads and Millers in the Langsam-Spira branch of your family. My connection to Muhlrads is very remote. Benjamin Jassem, b. 1897, third cousin of my grandfather was married to Razel nee Guttman, b. 1901, daughter of Yakov Yehoshua Guttman and Frieda Muhlrad. I am in touch with Muhlards in Sweden. They have recently visited Lancut. And as far as the Millers are concerned, Gisa nee Jassem, third cousin of my granfather, b. 1912 married Abracham Miller b. 1905. Gisa lives in New York. Similar names: Meller and Mahler are also appear in my tree and are in closer range to my branch. Peter $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525676C.001E2C1B; Sun, 9 May 1999 01:29:33 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA42922; Sat, 8 May 1999 22:17:10 -0400 Received: from lyris.jewishgen.org (lyris.jewishgen.org [208.195.138.12]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA23926 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 22:16:21 -0400 X-Sender: tom.vene@pop3.uol.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org Errors-To: tom.vene@uol.com.br Organization: MVA Consultores Associados X-Homepage: http://mvassist.pair.com/ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 21:08:12 -0300 To: h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org From: tom.vene@uol.com.br Subject: * months names in archaic German X-Sluidl: 67EAD964-031D11D3-A3E00010-4B7910E4 List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: bulk SMTPOriginator: bounce-h-sig-17472@lyris.jewishgen.org From: tom.vene@uol.com.br Subject: * months names in archaic German PostedDate: 05/07/99 08:08:12 PM SendTo: h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org ReplyTo: h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 05/09/99 01:29:55 AM-05/09/99 01:56:09 AM,05/09/99 01:56:08 AM-05/09/99 01:56:22 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 05/09/99 01:56:22 AM Categories: $Revisions: BlindCopyTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential You may find the following list interesting. It contains the names of months in old (archaic) German. I found them several times on older records from Slovakia and Hungary. gitt shabes tom January Ja:nner or Hartung February Feber or Hornung March Lenzing or Lenzmonat April Gru:nmonat May Wonnemonat June Brachmonat July Heumonat August Erntemonat September Herbstmonat October Weinmonat November Wintermonat December Christmonat Also, on some records I saw the following shorthands: 7ber (VIIber) September 8ber (VIIIber) October 9ber (IXber) November 10ber (Xber) December This SIG (h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org) is hosted by JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org Visit our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/ --- You are currently subscribed to h-sig as: [moishe_miller@prusec.com] To unsubscribe send email to leave-h-sig-17472K@lyris.jewishgen.org $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256766.007E1B02; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:57:24 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19656; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:57:38 -0400 Received: from ca.bcps.org ([151.196.98.13]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21508 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:56:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199905032256.SAA21508@pruns1.prusec.com> Received: from [192.168.1.4] by ca.bcps.org (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0.3) id 167433 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 03 May 1999 18:55:29 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 18:56:50 -0400 Subject: Jessica Langsam Chisholm From: techspec@ea.net To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3008602611_7163755_MIME_Part" $FILE: SMTPOriginator: techspec@ea.net From: techspec@ea.net Subject: Jessica Langsam Chisholm PostedDate: 05/03/99 06:56:50 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 05/03/99 06:57:35 PM-05/03/99 06:57:36 PM,05/03/99 06:57:33 PM-05/03/99 06:57:35 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 05/03/99 06:57:35 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Mr. Miller, Jessica Chisholm's current mailing address is: 7355 Kindler Rd. Columbia, MD 21046 I'll forward your e-mails to her. Sincerely, Ian Chisholm Jessica's Husband ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Judy Campf techspec@ea.net jcampf@bcps.org Enrichment/Technology Specialist The Chatsworth School Baltimore County, MD http://www.ea.net/chatsworth Technology/Differentiation Instructor (MAT Program) Goucher College Towson, MD http://rwd.goucher.edu/wcb/schools/2/5/jcampf/jcampf.html Instant Messenger: MacJudy ICQ: 5088178 http://members.home.com/campf - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256766.00743F4B; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:09:43 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20092; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:09:57 -0400 Received: from ca.bcps.org ([151.196.98.13]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21342 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:09:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199905032109.RAA21342@pruns1.prusec.com> Received: from [10.5.108.27] by ca.bcps.org (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0.3) id 166392 via TCP with SMTP; Mon, 03 May 1999 17:06:10 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:18:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? From: ichisholm@bcps.org To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: ichisholm@bcps.org From: ichisholm@bcps.org Subject: Re: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? PostedDate: 05/03/99 12:18:20 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 05/03/99 05:09:44 PM-05/03/99 05:09:45 PM,05/03/99 05:09:42 PM-05/03/99 05:09:44 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 05/03/99 05:09:44 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Mr. Miller, My wife Jessica Chisholm's current mailing address is: 7355 Kindler Rd. Columbia, MD 21046 I'll forward your e-mail questions to her today. Sincerely, Ian Chisholm ---------- >From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >To: ichisholm@bcps.org >Subject: Re: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? >Date: Sun, Apr 11, 1999, 4:54 PM > > Hi, > Can you pass this along to your wife and provide some feedback? > Thanks! > -Moishe > moishe_miller@prusec.com > ---------------------- Forwarded by Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential on > 04/11/99 11:57 AM --------------------------- > > techspec@ea.net > Sunday April 11, 1999 11:00 AM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Re: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? > > > > > Jessica does not have her own email account, but her husband does. His > account is: ichisholm@bcps.org I've been forwarding the emails you send > to > her husband's account. I don't know if she's gotten them.... sorry..... > Judy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Judy Campf techspec@ea.net jcampf@bcps.org > Enrichment/Technology Specialist > The Chatsworth School Baltimore County, MD > http://www.ea.net/chatsworth > > Technology/Differentiation Instructor (MAT Program) > Goucher College Towson, MD > http://rwd.goucher.edu/wcb/schools/2/5/jcampf/jcampf.html > > Instant Messenger: MacJudy > ICQ: 5088178 > http://members.home.com/campf > > ---------- >>From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>To: techspec@ea.net >>Subject: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? >>Date: Sat, Apr 10, 1999, 9:57 PM >> > >> Hi, >> Just wanted to touch base regarding your friend/my cousin. Can you ask > her >> if she uncovered any additional info, like Max's siblings or where in >> Europe they came from? Jacob's death record or cemetery? >> Thanks for being the conduit! >> -Moishe >> moishe_miller@prusec.com >> >> PS: Can I get her mailing address? >> >> > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256762.000BCAC0; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:08:48 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25716; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:09:00 -0400 Received: from csrd.internic.net (csrd.internic.net [198.41.0.137]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21264 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:08:22 -0400 Received: (from domreg@localhost) by csrd.internic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA09950; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:07:30 -0400 (EDT) From: domreg@internic.net Message-Id: <199904290207.WAA09950@csrd.internic.net> Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: hostmaster@internic.net To: moishe_miller@prusec.com X-Mailer: fastmail [version 2.4 PL24alpha4] SMTPOriginator: domreg@csrd.internic.net From: domreg@internic.net Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM PostedDate: 04/28/99 10:07:30 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: hostmaster@internic.net $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/28/99 10:08:49 PM-04/28/99 10:08:49 PM,04/28/99 10:08:48 PM-04/28/99 10:08:48 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/28/99 10:08:48 PM Categories: $Revisions: The requested domain name is already in use - see the "whois" record below. Please choose another. To check on a domain name, telnet or use a web browser to reach rs.internic.net. Use "whois" to query the database for the name you are interested in. InterNIC Registration Services email hostmaster@internic.net voice (703) 742-4777 ========================================================================= Moishe Miller (LANGSAM-DOM) 1374 East 28th St Brooklyn, NY 11210 US Domain Name: LANGSAM.COM Administrative Contact: Miller, Moishe (MM25976) moishe_miller@PRUSEC.COM 212 214 3580 Technical Contact: The Public DNS (DT145-ORG) soa-nic@GRANITECANYON.COM +1-408-273-6098 Fax- +1-408-273-6098 Billing Contact: Miller, Moishe (MM25976) moishe_miller@PRUSEC.COM 212 214 3580 Record last updated on 11-Apr-99. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM 205.166.226.38 NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM 208.146.254.90 ========================================================================= >From moishe_miller@prusec.com Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969 >Received: from rs.internic.net (biprrs2.lb.internic.net [192.168.120.40]) > by opsmail.internic.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28280 > for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT) >From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >Received: (qmail 3037 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 17:40:06 -0000 >Received: from cpk-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (HELO vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com) (192.239.16.198) > by 192.168.119.40 with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 17:40:06 -0000 >Received: from pruns1.prusec.com (pruns1.prusec.com [199.95.197.73]) > by vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22861 > for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from eagle2.prusec.com (mail2.prusec.com [199.95.197.69]) > by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09868 > for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:32 -0400 >Received: from nyplazngw03.cs.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) > id AA26434; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:40:05 -0400 >Received: by notes.prusec.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) id 8525675E.00610668 ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:46 -0400 >X-Lotus-Fromdomain: PRUDENTIAL >To: domreg@internic.net >Message-Id: <8525675E.00610471.00@notes.prusec.com> >Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:48 -0400 >Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >X-MTS-Ticket: 990411.4217 >X-MTS-Type: Domain >X-MTS-Mode: Unknown >X-MTS-Priority: Normal >X-MTS-Status: Open >X-MTS-Timestamp: 990425152649 >Status: OR > > >If it is registered, why do I get "bad IP" when I try to PING it? >-Moishe Miller >moishe_miller@prusec.com > > > > >domreg@internic.net >Friday April 23, 1999 12:08 PM > >Please respond to domreg@internic.net >To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >cc: >Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM > > > > >The following template has been returned due to the following errors. >Please review the instructions in the domain registration template >available at ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-template.txt. > >The glossary of the parser errors is available at: > > ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-parser-errors.txt > > >InterNIC Registration Services >email hostmaster@internic.net >voice (703) 742-4777 > >========================================================================= > >ERROR: domain already registered > >========================================================================= > >>From moishe_miller@prusec.com Fri Apr 23 11:44:38 1999 >>Received: from rs.internic.net (biprrs2.lb.internic.net [192.168.120.40]) >> by opsmail.internic.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12629 >> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:34 -0400 (EDT) >>From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>Received: (qmail 7715 invoked from network); 23 Apr 1999 15:44:33 -0000 >>Received: from cpk-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (HELO >vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com) (192.239.16.198) >> by 192.168.119.40 with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 15:44:33 -0000 >>Received: from pruns1.prusec.com (pruns1.prusec.com [199.95.197.73]) >> by vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id >LAA17701 >> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:43:51 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from eagle2.prusec.com (mail2.prusec.com [199.95.197.69]) >> by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA32250 >> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:41 -0400 >>Received: from nyplazngw03.cs.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB >5.64/4.03) >> id AA24796; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:30 -0400 >>Received: by notes.prusec.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 >7-2-1998)) id 8525675C.00567054 ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:08 -0400 >>X-Lotus-Fromdomain: PRUDENTIAL >>To: hostmaster@internic.net >>Message-Id: <8525675C.00566EE5.00@notes.prusec.com> >>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:00 -0400 >>Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Disposition: inline >>X-MTS-Ticket: 990411.4217 >>X-MTS-Type: Domain >>X-MTS-Mode: Insert >>X-MTS-Priority: Normal >>X-MTS-Status: Open >>X-MTS-Timestamp: 990423114438 >> >> >>Can you please explain why my domain, LANGSAM.com, does not seem to be >>active yet? >>Thanks! >>-Moishe Miller >>moishe_miller@prusec.com >>212 214 3580 >> >>---------------------- Forwarded by Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential on >>04/23/99 11:41 AM --------------------------- >> >>domreg@internic.net >>Sunday April 11, 1999 10:47 AM >> >>Please respond to hostmaster@internic.net >>To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >>cc: "sts+nic"@senator.net >>Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM >> >> >> >> >>Registration for the domain name shown below has been completed. >> >>All requests completed before 19:00 Eastern Time will be included in the >>root server update. The root zone files are updated 7 days a week. These >>changes will be visible in the WHOIS database the following day. >> >>Please read the following information carefully: >> >>1. For all registrations completed after April 1, 1998, the Registrant >>agrees to pay a registration fee of Seventy United States dollars (US$70) >>as consideration for the registration of each new domain name. >> >>2. The non-refundable fee covers a registration period of two (2) years >>for each new registration. >> >>3. You may pay for the name using Network Solutions secure online >>payment system at https://payments.internic.net/ >> >>4. For other payment methods, please wait until an invoice has been >>created before making payment(s). Payment is due to Network Solutions >>within thirty (30) days from the date of the invoice is generated. The >>Invoice will be sent to the designated Billing Contact. >> >>The Domain Name Registration Agreement can be used to replace a >>contact listed in the domain name record with a different contact, or to >>register a new contact at the same time a new domain name is registered. >>However, it cannot be used to update the record of an existing contact. >>To update information associated with the Administrative, Technical, or >>Billing contact (e.g., a change of postal address, phone number, or email >>address), please use the contact template available at: >> >> ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/contact-template.txt >> >>The Domain Name Registration Agreement can be used to replace existing >>name servers (hosts) listed in the domain name record; however, it cannot >>be used to change the name or IP address of an existing name server. To >>change the name or IP address of an existing name server, please use the >>host template available at: >> >> ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/host-template.txt >> >>In our efforts to continue to insure quality customer service, >>Network Solutions, Inc. would appreciate your feedback. Please take >>a few minutes to complete our Customer Satisfaction Survey located >>at the URL: >> >> http://www.netsol.com/survey >> >> >>Network Solutions, Inc. >>E-mail: hostmaster@internic.net >>Phone: 703-742-4777(Monday-Friday 7:00am to 9:00pm Eastern Time) >>Fax: 703-742-9552 >>========================================================= >> >> >>Moishe Miller (LANGSAM-DOM) >> 1374 East 28th St >> Brooklyn, NY 11210 >> US >> >> Domain Name: LANGSAM.COM >> >> Administrative Contact: >> Miller, Moishe (MM25976) moishe_miller@PRUSEC.COM >> 212 214 3580 >> Technical Contact: >> The Public DNS (DT145-ORG) soa-nic@GRANITECANYON.COM >> +1-408-273-6098 >>Fax- +1-408-273-6098 >> Billing Contact: >> Miller, Moishe (MM25976) moishe_miller@PRUSEC.COM >> 212 214 3580 >> >> Record last updated on 11-Apr-99. >> Domain servers in listed order: >> >> NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM 205.166.226.38 >> NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM 208.146.254.90 >> >>========================================================================= >> >>>From moishe_miller@prusec.com Sun Apr 11 10:32:20 1999 >>>Received: from rs.internic.net (biprrs2.lb.internic.net [192.168.120.40]) >>> by opsmail.internic.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22015 >>> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT) >>>From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>>Received: (qmail 13751 invoked from network); 11 Apr 1999 14:32:19 -0000 >>>Received: from cpk-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (HELO >>vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com) (192.239.16.198) >>> by 192.168.119.40 with SMTP; 11 Apr 1999 14:32:19 -0000 >>>Received: from pruns1 (pruns1.prusec.com [199.95.197.73]) >>> by vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id >>KAA13996 >>> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:31:39 -0400 (EDT) >>>Received: from eagle2.prusec.com (mail2.prusec.com [199.95.197.69]) >>> by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA31096 >>> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:28 -0400 >>>Received: from nyplazngw03.cs.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX >4.1/UCB >>5.64/4.03) >>> id AA25582; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:18 -0400 >>>Received: by notes.prusec.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 >(666.1 >>7-2-1998)) id 85256750.005103EF ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:04 -0400 >>>X-Lotus-Fromdomain: PRUDENTIAL >>>To: hostmaster@internic.net >>>Message-Id: <85256750.004FD56C.00@notes.prusec.com> >>>Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:31:52 -0400 >>>Subject: [NIC-990411.4217] Re: NEW DOMAIN langsam.com >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>Content-Disposition: inline >>>X-MTS-Ticket: 990411.4217 >>>X-MTS-Type: Domain >>>X-MTS-Mode: Insert >>>X-MTS-Priority: Normal >>>X-MTS-Status: Open >>>X-MTS-Timestamp: 990411103220 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>hostmaster@internic.net >>>Sunday April 11, 1999 01:41 AM >>> >>>Please respond to hostmaster@internic.net >>>To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >>>cc: >>>Subject: NEW DOMAIN langsam.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------- >>>This is the Domain Name Registration Agreement you >>>recently created. >>>In order to complete this action, >>> >>>YOU MUST E-MAIL THIS FORM TO: hostmaster@internic.net >>> >>>After you e-mail this form, you should receive an auto-reply >>>with a tracking number. You must use that number in the >>>Subject of any future messages you send regarding >>>this registration action. >>>Once this registration action is completed you will receive >>>a notification via e-mail. >>> >>>[ URL http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/domain ] [ >>>03/98 ] >>>[ URL ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-template.txt ] [ 03/98 ] >>> >>>******* Please DO NOT REMOVE Version Number or Sections A-Q ******** >>> >>>Domain Version Number: 4.0 >>> >>>******* Email completed agreement to hostmaster@internic.net ******* >>> >>> NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. >>> >>> DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION AGREEMENT >>> >>> >>>A. Introduction. This domain name registration agreement >>>("Registration Agreement") is submitted to NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. >>>("NSI") for the purpose of applying for and registering a domain name >>>on the Internet. If this Registration Agreement is accepted by NSI, >>>and a domain name is registered in NSI's domain name database and >>>assigned to the Registrant, Registrant ("Registrant") agrees to be >>>bound by the terms of this Registration Agreement and the terms of >>>NSI's Domain Name Dispute Policy ("Dispute Policy") which is >>>incorporated herein by reference and made a part of this Registration >>>Agreement. This Registration Agreement shall be accepted at the >>>offices of NSI. >>> >>>B. Fees and Payments. >>> >>>1) Registration or renewal (re-registration) date through March 31, 1998: >>>Registrant agrees to pay a registration fee of One Hundred United States >>>Dollars (US) as consideration for the registration of each new domain >>>name or Fifty United States Dollars (US) to renew (re-register) an >>>existing registration. >>>2) Registration or renewal date on and after April 1, 1998: Registrant >>>agrees to pay a registration fee of Seventy United States Dollars (US) >>>as consideration for the registration of each new domain name or the >>>applicable renewal (re-registration) fee (currently Thirty-Five United >>>States Dollars (US)) at the time of renewal (re-registration). >>>3) Period of Service: The non-refundable fee covers a period of two (2) >>>years for each new registration, and one (1) year for each renewal, >>>and includes any permitted modification(s) to the domain name record >>>during the covered period. >>>4) Payment: Payment is due to Network Solutions within thirty (30) >>>days from the date of the invoice. >>> >>>C. Dispute Policy. Registrant agrees, as a condition to >>>submitting this Registration Agreement, and if the Registration >>>Agreement is accepted by NSI, that the Registrant shall be bound by >>>NSI's current Dispute Policy. The current version of the Dispute >>>Policy may be found at the InterNIC Registration Services web site: >>>"http://www.netsol.com/rs/dispute-policy.html". >>> >>>D. Dispute Policy Changes or Modifications. Registrant agrees >>>that NSI, in its sole discretion, may change or modify the Dispute >>>Policy, incorporated by reference herein, at any time. Registrant >>>agrees that Registrant's maintaining the registration of a domain name >>>after changes or modifications to the Dispute Policy become effective >>>constitutes Registrant's continued acceptance of these changes or >>>modifications. Registrant agrees that if Registrant considers any such >>>changes or modifications to be unacceptable, Registrant may request >>>that the domain name be deleted from the domain name database. >>> >>>E. Disputes. Registrant agrees that, if the registration of its >>>domain name is challenged by any third party, the Registrant will be >>>subject to the provisions specified in the Dispute Policy. >>> >>>F. Agents. Registrant agrees that if this Registration Agreement >>>is completed by an agent for the Registrant, such as an ISP or >>>Administrative Contact/Agent, the Registrant is nonetheless bound as a >>>principal by all terms and conditions herein, including the Dispute >>>Policy. >>> >>>G. Limitation of Liability. Registrant agrees that NSI shall have >>>no liability to the Registrant for any loss Registrant may incur in >>>connection with NSI's processing of this Registration Agreement, in >>>connection with NSI's processing of any authorized modification to the >>>domain name's record during the covered period, as a result of the >>>Registrant's ISP's failure to pay either the initial registration fee >>>or renewal fee, or as a result of the application of the provisions of >>>the Dispute Policy. Registrant agrees that in no event shall the >>>maximum liability of NSI under this Agreement for any matter exceed >>>Five Hundred United States Dollars (US). >>> >>>H. Indemnity. Registrant agrees, in the event the Registration >>>Agreement is accepted by NSI and a subsequent dispute arises with any >>>third party, to indemnify and hold NSI harmless pursuant to the terms >>>and conditions contained in the Dispute Policy. >>> >>>I. Breach. Registrant agrees that failure to abide by any >>>provision of this Registration Agreement or the Dispute Policy may be >>>considered by NSI to be a material breach and that NSI may provide a >>>written notice, describing the breach, to the Registrant. If, within >>>thirty (30) days of the date of mailing such notice, the Registrant >>>fails to provide evidence, which is reasonably satisfactory to NSI, >>>that it has not breached its obligations, then NSI may delete >>>Registrant's registration of the domain name. Any such breach by a >>>Registrant shall not be deemed to be excused simply because NSI did >>>not act earlier in response to that, or any other, breach by the >>>Registrant. >>> >>>J. No Guaranty. Registrant agrees that, by registration of a >>>domain name, such registration does not confer immunity from objection >>>to either the registration or use of the domain name. >>> >>>K. Warranty. Registrant warrants by submitting this Registration >>>Agreement that, to the best of Registrant's knowledge and belief, the >>>information submitted herein is true and correct, and that any future >>>changes to this information will be provided to NSI in a timely manner >>>according to the domain name modification procedures in place at that >>>time. Breach of this warranty will constitute a material breach. >>> >>>L. Revocation. Registrant agrees that NSI may delete a >>>Registrant's domain name if this Registration Agreement, or subsequent >>>modification(s) thereto, contains false or misleading information, or >>>conceals or omits any information NSI would likely consider material >>>to its decision to approve this Registration Agreement. >>> >>>M. Right of Refusal. NSI, in its sole discretion, reserves the >>>right to refuse to approve the Registration Agreement for any >>>Registrant. Registrant agrees that the submission of this Registration >>>Agreement does not obligate NSI to accept this Registration Agreement. >>>Registrant agrees that NSI shall not be liable for loss or damages >>>that may result from NSI's refusal to accept this Registration >>>Agreement. >>> >>>N. Severability. Registrant agrees that the terms of this >>>Registration Agreement are severable. If any term or provision is >>>declared invalid, it shall not affect the remaining terms or >>>provisions which shall continue to be binding. >>> >>>O. Entirety. Registrant agrees that this Registration Agreement >>>and the Dispute Policy is the complete and exclusive agreement between >>>Registrant and NSI regarding the registration of Registrant's domain >>>name. This Registration Agreement and the Dispute Policy supersede all >>>prior agreements and understandings, whether established by custom, >>>practice, policy, or precedent. >>> >>>P. Governing Law. Registrant agrees that this Registration >>>Agreement shall be governed in all respects by and construed in >>>accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia, United >>>States of America. By submitting this Registration Agreement, >>>Registrant consents to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of the >>>United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, >>>Alexandria Division. If there is no jurisdiction in the United States >>>District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria >>>Division, then jurisdiction shall be in the Circuit Court of Fairfax >>>County, Fairfax, Virginia. >>> >>>Q. This is Domain Name Registration Agreement Version >>>Number 4.0. This Registration Agreement is only for registrations >>>under top-level domains: COM, ORG, NET, and EDU. By completing >>>and submitting this Registration Agreement for consideration and >>>acceptance by NSI, the Registrant agrees that he/she has read and >>>agrees to be bound by A through P above. >>> >>>Authorization >>>0a. (N)ew (M)odify (D)elete.........: N >>>0b. Auth Scheme.....................: >>>0c. Auth Info.......................: >>> >>>1. Comments........................: >>> >>>2. Complete Domain Name............: langsam.com >>> >>>Organization Using Domain Name >>>3a. Organization Name................: Moishe Miller >>>3b. Street Address..................: 1374 East 28th St >>>3c. City............................: Brooklyn >>>3d. State...........................: NY >>>3e. Postal Code.....................: 11210 >>>3f. Country.........................: USA >>> >>>Administrative Contact >>>4a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: >>>4b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Individual >>>4c. Name (Last, First)..............: Miller, Moishe >>>4d. Organization Name...............: >>>4e. Street Address..................: 1374 East 28th St >>>4f. City............................: Brooklyn >>>4g. State...........................: NY >>>4h. Postal Code.....................: 11210 >>>4i. Country.........................: USA >>>4j. Phone Number....................: 212 214 3580 >>>4k. Fax Number......................: >>>4l. E-Mailbox.......................: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>> >>>Technical Contact >>>5a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: DT145-ORG >>>5b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Role Account >>>5c. Name(Last, First)...............: >>>5d. Organization Name...............: >>>5e. Street Address..................: >>>5f. City............................: >>>5g. State...........................: >>>5h. Postal Code.....................: >>>5i. Country.........................: >>>5j. Phone Number....................: >>>5k. Fax Number......................: >>>5l. E-Mailbox.......................: >>> >>>Billing Contact >>>6a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: >>>6b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Individual >>>6c. Name (Last, First)..............: Miller, Moishe >>>6d. Organization Name...............: >>>6e. Street Address..................: 1374 East 28th St >>>6f. City............................: Brooklyn >>>6g. State...........................: NY >>>6h. Postal Code.....................: 11210 >>>6i. Country.........................: USA >>>6j. Phone Number....................: 212 214 3580 >>>6k. Fax Number......................: >>>6l. E-Mailbox.......................: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>> >>>Prime Name Server >>>7a. Primary Server Hostname.........: ns1.granitecanyon.com >>>7b. Primary Server Netaddress.......: 205.166.226.38 >>> >>>Secondary Name Server(s) >>>8a. Secondary Server Hostname.......: ns2.granitecanyon.com >>>8b. Secondary Server Netaddress.....: 208.146.254.90 >>> >>> >>>END OF AGREEMENT >>> >>> >>>For instructions, please refer to: >>>"http://www.networksolutions.com/help/registration/inst_newreg.html" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525675E.007D9D5D; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:52:02 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA48490; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:52:17 -0400 Received: from mts2.internic.net (mts2.internic.net [198.41.1.234]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12306 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:51:43 -0400 Received: (from domreg@localhost) by mts2.internic.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA07253; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: domreg@internic.net Message-Id: <199904252250.SAA07253@mts2.internic.net> Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: hostmaster@internic.net To: moishe_miller@prusec.com X-Mailer: fastmail [version 2.4 PL24alpha4] SMTPOriginator: domreg@mts2.internic.net From: domreg@internic.net Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM PostedDate: 04/25/99 06:50:36 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: hostmaster@internic.net $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/25/99 06:52:12 PM-04/25/99 06:52:14 PM,04/25/99 06:52:26 PM-04/25/99 06:52:27 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/25/99 06:52:27 PM Categories: $Revisions: The following template has been returned due to the following errors. Please review the instructions in the domain registration template available at ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-template.txt. The glossary of the parser errors is available at: ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-parser-errors.txt InterNIC Registration Services email hostmaster@internic.net voice (703) 742-4777 ========================================================================= ERROR: domain already registered ========================================================================= >From moishe_miller@prusec.com Sun Apr 25 15:26:49 1999 >Received: from rs.internic.net (biprrs2.lb.internic.net [192.168.120.40]) > by opsmail.internic.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28280 > for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT) >From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >Received: (qmail 3037 invoked from network); 25 Apr 1999 17:40:06 -0000 >Received: from cpk-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (HELO vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com) (192.239.16.198) > by 192.168.119.40 with SMTP; 25 Apr 1999 17:40:06 -0000 >Received: from pruns1.prusec.com (pruns1.prusec.com [199.95.197.73]) > by vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22861 > for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from eagle2.prusec.com (mail2.prusec.com [199.95.197.69]) > by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09868 > for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:32 -0400 >Received: from nyplazngw03.cs.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) > id AA26434; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:40:05 -0400 >Received: by notes.prusec.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) id 8525675E.00610668 ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:46 -0400 >X-Lotus-Fromdomain: PRUDENTIAL >To: domreg@internic.net >Message-Id: <8525675E.00610471.00@notes.prusec.com> >Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:39:48 -0400 >Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >X-MTS-Ticket: 990411.4217 >X-MTS-Type: Domain >X-MTS-Mode: Unknown >X-MTS-Priority: Normal >X-MTS-Status: Open >X-MTS-Timestamp: 990425152649 > > >If it is registered, why do I get "bad IP" when I try to PING it? >-Moishe Miller >moishe_miller@prusec.com > > > > >domreg@internic.net >Friday April 23, 1999 12:08 PM > >Please respond to domreg@internic.net >To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >cc: >Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM > > > > >The following template has been returned due to the following errors. >Please review the instructions in the domain registration template >available at ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-template.txt. > >The glossary of the parser errors is available at: > > ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-parser-errors.txt > > >InterNIC Registration Services >email hostmaster@internic.net >voice (703) 742-4777 > >========================================================================= > >ERROR: domain already registered > >========================================================================= > >>From moishe_miller@prusec.com Fri Apr 23 11:44:38 1999 >>Received: from rs.internic.net (biprrs2.lb.internic.net [192.168.120.40]) >> by opsmail.internic.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12629 >> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:34 -0400 (EDT) >>From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>Received: (qmail 7715 invoked from network); 23 Apr 1999 15:44:33 -0000 >>Received: from cpk-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (HELO >vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com) (192.239.16.198) >> by 192.168.119.40 with SMTP; 23 Apr 1999 15:44:33 -0000 >>Received: from pruns1.prusec.com (pruns1.prusec.com [199.95.197.73]) >> by vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id >LAA17701 >> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:43:51 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from eagle2.prusec.com (mail2.prusec.com [199.95.197.69]) >> by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA32250 >> for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:41 -0400 >>Received: from nyplazngw03.cs.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB >5.64/4.03) >> id AA24796; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:30 -0400 >>Received: by notes.prusec.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 >7-2-1998)) id 8525675C.00567054 ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:08 -0400 >>X-Lotus-Fromdomain: PRUDENTIAL >>To: hostmaster@internic.net >>Message-Id: <8525675C.00566EE5.00@notes.prusec.com> >>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:44:00 -0400 >>Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Disposition: inline >>X-MTS-Ticket: 990411.4217 >>X-MTS-Type: Domain >>X-MTS-Mode: Insert >>X-MTS-Priority: Normal >>X-MTS-Status: Open >>X-MTS-Timestamp: 990423114438 >> >> >>Can you please explain why my domain, LANGSAM.com, does not seem to be >>active yet? >>Thanks! >>-Moishe Miller >>moishe_miller@prusec.com >>212 214 3580 >> >>---------------------- Forwarded by Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential on >>04/23/99 11:41 AM --------------------------- >> >>domreg@internic.net >>Sunday April 11, 1999 10:47 AM >> >>Please respond to hostmaster@internic.net >>To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >>cc: "sts+nic"@senator.net >>Subject: Re: [NIC-990411.4217] LANGSAM.COM >> >> >> >> >>Registration for the domain name shown below has been completed. >> >>All requests completed before 19:00 Eastern Time will be included in the >>root server update. The root zone files are updated 7 days a week. These >>changes will be visible in the WHOIS database the following day. >> >>Please read the following information carefully: >> >>1. For all registrations completed after April 1, 1998, the Registrant >>agrees to pay a registration fee of Seventy United States dollars (US$70) >>as consideration for the registration of each new domain name. >> >>2. The non-refundable fee covers a registration period of two (2) years >>for each new registration. >> >>3. You may pay for the name using Network Solutions secure online >>payment system at https://payments.internic.net/ >> >>4. For other payment methods, please wait until an invoice has been >>created before making payment(s). Payment is due to Network Solutions >>within thirty (30) days from the date of the invoice is generated. The >>Invoice will be sent to the designated Billing Contact. >> >>The Domain Name Registration Agreement can be used to replace a >>contact listed in the domain name record with a different contact, or to >>register a new contact at the same time a new domain name is registered. >>However, it cannot be used to update the record of an existing contact. >>To update information associated with the Administrative, Technical, or >>Billing contact (e.g., a change of postal address, phone number, or email >>address), please use the contact template available at: >> >> ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/contact-template.txt >> >>The Domain Name Registration Agreement can be used to replace existing >>name servers (hosts) listed in the domain name record; however, it cannot >>be used to change the name or IP address of an existing name server. To >>change the name or IP address of an existing name server, please use the >>host template available at: >> >> ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/host-template.txt >> >>In our efforts to continue to insure quality customer service, >>Network Solutions, Inc. would appreciate your feedback. Please take >>a few minutes to complete our Customer Satisfaction Survey located >>at the URL: >> >> http://www.netsol.com/survey >> >> >>Network Solutions, Inc. >>E-mail: hostmaster@internic.net >>Phone: 703-742-4777(Monday-Friday 7:00am to 9:00pm Eastern Time) >>Fax: 703-742-9552 >>========================================================= >> >> >>Moishe Miller (LANGSAM-DOM) >> 1374 East 28th St >> Brooklyn, NY 11210 >> US >> >> Domain Name: LANGSAM.COM >> >> Administrative Contact: >> Miller, Moishe (MM25976) moishe_miller@PRUSEC.COM >> 212 214 3580 >> Technical Contact: >> The Public DNS (DT145-ORG) soa-nic@GRANITECANYON.COM >> +1-408-273-6098 >>Fax- +1-408-273-6098 >> Billing Contact: >> Miller, Moishe (MM25976) moishe_miller@PRUSEC.COM >> 212 214 3580 >> >> Record last updated on 11-Apr-99. >> Domain servers in listed order: >> >> NS1.GRANITECANYON.COM 205.166.226.38 >> NS2.GRANITECANYON.COM 208.146.254.90 >> >>========================================================================= >> >>>From moishe_miller@prusec.com Sun Apr 11 10:32:20 1999 >>>Received: from rs.internic.net (biprrs2.lb.internic.net [192.168.120.40]) >>> by opsmail.internic.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA22015 >>> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT) >>>From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>>Received: (qmail 13751 invoked from network); 11 Apr 1999 14:32:19 -0000 >>>Received: from cpk-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (HELO >>vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com) (192.239.16.198) >>> by 192.168.119.40 with SMTP; 11 Apr 1999 14:32:19 -0000 >>>Received: from pruns1 (pruns1.prusec.com [199.95.197.73]) >>> by vienna1-mail-relay1.bbnplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id >>KAA13996 >>> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:31:39 -0400 (EDT) >>>Received: from eagle2.prusec.com (mail2.prusec.com [199.95.197.69]) >>> by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA31096 >>> for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:28 -0400 >>>Received: from nyplazngw03.cs.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX >4.1/UCB >>5.64/4.03) >>> id AA25582; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:18 -0400 >>>Received: by notes.prusec.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 >(666.1 >>7-2-1998)) id 85256750.005103EF ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:32:04 -0400 >>>X-Lotus-Fromdomain: PRUDENTIAL >>>To: hostmaster@internic.net >>>Message-Id: <85256750.004FD56C.00@notes.prusec.com> >>>Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:31:52 -0400 >>>Subject: [NIC-990411.4217] Re: NEW DOMAIN langsam.com >>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>Content-Disposition: inline >>>X-MTS-Ticket: 990411.4217 >>>X-MTS-Type: Domain >>>X-MTS-Mode: Insert >>>X-MTS-Priority: Normal >>>X-MTS-Status: Open >>>X-MTS-Timestamp: 990411103220 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>hostmaster@internic.net >>>Sunday April 11, 1999 01:41 AM >>> >>>Please respond to hostmaster@internic.net >>>To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >>>cc: >>>Subject: NEW DOMAIN langsam.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------- >>>This is the Domain Name Registration Agreement you >>>recently created. >>>In order to complete this action, >>> >>>YOU MUST E-MAIL THIS FORM TO: hostmaster@internic.net >>> >>>After you e-mail this form, you should receive an auto-reply >>>with a tracking number. You must use that number in the >>>Subject of any future messages you send regarding >>>this registration action. >>>Once this registration action is completed you will receive >>>a notification via e-mail. >>> >>>[ URL http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/domain ] [ >>>03/98 ] >>>[ URL ftp://rs.internic.net/templates/domain-template.txt ] [ 03/98 ] >>> >>>******* Please DO NOT REMOVE Version Number or Sections A-Q ******** >>> >>>Domain Version Number: 4.0 >>> >>>******* Email completed agreement to hostmaster@internic.net ******* >>> >>> NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. >>> >>> DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION AGREEMENT >>> >>> >>>A. Introduction. This domain name registration agreement >>>("Registration Agreement") is submitted to NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. >>>("NSI") for the purpose of applying for and registering a domain name >>>on the Internet. If this Registration Agreement is accepted by NSI, >>>and a domain name is registered in NSI's domain name database and >>>assigned to the Registrant, Registrant ("Registrant") agrees to be >>>bound by the terms of this Registration Agreement and the terms of >>>NSI's Domain Name Dispute Policy ("Dispute Policy") which is >>>incorporated herein by reference and made a part of this Registration >>>Agreement. This Registration Agreement shall be accepted at the >>>offices of NSI. >>> >>>B. Fees and Payments. >>> >>>1) Registration or renewal (re-registration) date through March 31, 1998: >>>Registrant agrees to pay a registration fee of One Hundred United States >>>Dollars (US) as consideration for the registration of each new domain >>>name or Fifty United States Dollars (US) to renew (re-register) an >>>existing registration. >>>2) Registration or renewal date on and after April 1, 1998: Registrant >>>agrees to pay a registration fee of Seventy United States Dollars (US) >>>as consideration for the registration of each new domain name or the >>>applicable renewal (re-registration) fee (currently Thirty-Five United >>>States Dollars (US)) at the time of renewal (re-registration). >>>3) Period of Service: The non-refundable fee covers a period of two (2) >>>years for each new registration, and one (1) year for each renewal, >>>and includes any permitted modification(s) to the domain name record >>>during the covered period. >>>4) Payment: Payment is due to Network Solutions within thirty (30) >>>days from the date of the invoice. >>> >>>C. Dispute Policy. Registrant agrees, as a condition to >>>submitting this Registration Agreement, and if the Registration >>>Agreement is accepted by NSI, that the Registrant shall be bound by >>>NSI's current Dispute Policy. The current version of the Dispute >>>Policy may be found at the InterNIC Registration Services web site: >>>"http://www.netsol.com/rs/dispute-policy.html". >>> >>>D. Dispute Policy Changes or Modifications. Registrant agrees >>>that NSI, in its sole discretion, may change or modify the Dispute >>>Policy, incorporated by reference herein, at any time. Registrant >>>agrees that Registrant's maintaining the registration of a domain name >>>after changes or modifications to the Dispute Policy become effective >>>constitutes Registrant's continued acceptance of these changes or >>>modifications. Registrant agrees that if Registrant considers any such >>>changes or modifications to be unacceptable, Registrant may request >>>that the domain name be deleted from the domain name database. >>> >>>E. Disputes. Registrant agrees that, if the registration of its >>>domain name is challenged by any third party, the Registrant will be >>>subject to the provisions specified in the Dispute Policy. >>> >>>F. Agents. Registrant agrees that if this Registration Agreement >>>is completed by an agent for the Registrant, such as an ISP or >>>Administrative Contact/Agent, the Registrant is nonetheless bound as a >>>principal by all terms and conditions herein, including the Dispute >>>Policy. >>> >>>G. Limitation of Liability. Registrant agrees that NSI shall have >>>no liability to the Registrant for any loss Registrant may incur in >>>connection with NSI's processing of this Registration Agreement, in >>>connection with NSI's processing of any authorized modification to the >>>domain name's record during the covered period, as a result of the >>>Registrant's ISP's failure to pay either the initial registration fee >>>or renewal fee, or as a result of the application of the provisions of >>>the Dispute Policy. Registrant agrees that in no event shall the >>>maximum liability of NSI under this Agreement for any matter exceed >>>Five Hundred United States Dollars (US). >>> >>>H. Indemnity. Registrant agrees, in the event the Registration >>>Agreement is accepted by NSI and a subsequent dispute arises with any >>>third party, to indemnify and hold NSI harmless pursuant to the terms >>>and conditions contained in the Dispute Policy. >>> >>>I. Breach. Registrant agrees that failure to abide by any >>>provision of this Registration Agreement or the Dispute Policy may be >>>considered by NSI to be a material breach and that NSI may provide a >>>written notice, describing the breach, to the Registrant. If, within >>>thirty (30) days of the date of mailing such notice, the Registrant >>>fails to provide evidence, which is reasonably satisfactory to NSI, >>>that it has not breached its obligations, then NSI may delete >>>Registrant's registration of the domain name. Any such breach by a >>>Registrant shall not be deemed to be excused simply because NSI did >>>not act earlier in response to that, or any other, breach by the >>>Registrant. >>> >>>J. No Guaranty. Registrant agrees that, by registration of a >>>domain name, such registration does not confer immunity from objection >>>to either the registration or use of the domain name. >>> >>>K. Warranty. Registrant warrants by submitting this Registration >>>Agreement that, to the best of Registrant's knowledge and belief, the >>>information submitted herein is true and correct, and that any future >>>changes to this information will be provided to NSI in a timely manner >>>according to the domain name modification procedures in place at that >>>time. Breach of this warranty will constitute a material breach. >>> >>>L. Revocation. Registrant agrees that NSI may delete a >>>Registrant's domain name if this Registration Agreement, or subsequent >>>modification(s) thereto, contains false or misleading information, or >>>conceals or omits any information NSI would likely consider material >>>to its decision to approve this Registration Agreement. >>> >>>M. Right of Refusal. NSI, in its sole discretion, reserves the >>>right to refuse to approve the Registration Agreement for any >>>Registrant. Registrant agrees that the submission of this Registration >>>Agreement does not obligate NSI to accept this Registration Agreement. >>>Registrant agrees that NSI shall not be liable for loss or damages >>>that may result from NSI's refusal to accept this Registration >>>Agreement. >>> >>>N. Severability. Registrant agrees that the terms of this >>>Registration Agreement are severable. If any term or provision is >>>declared invalid, it shall not affect the remaining terms or >>>provisions which shall continue to be binding. >>> >>>O. Entirety. Registrant agrees that this Registration Agreement >>>and the Dispute Policy is the complete and exclusive agreement between >>>Registrant and NSI regarding the registration of Registrant's domain >>>name. This Registration Agreement and the Dispute Policy supersede all >>>prior agreements and understandings, whether established by custom, >>>practice, policy, or precedent. >>> >>>P. Governing Law. Registrant agrees that this Registration >>>Agreement shall be governed in all respects by and construed in >>>accordance with the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia, United >>>States of America. By submitting this Registration Agreement, >>>Registrant consents to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue of the >>>United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, >>>Alexandria Division. If there is no jurisdiction in the United States >>>District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria >>>Division, then jurisdiction shall be in the Circuit Court of Fairfax >>>County, Fairfax, Virginia. >>> >>>Q. This is Domain Name Registration Agreement Version >>>Number 4.0. This Registration Agreement is only for registrations >>>under top-level domains: COM, ORG, NET, and EDU. By completing >>>and submitting this Registration Agreement for consideration and >>>acceptance by NSI, the Registrant agrees that he/she has read and >>>agrees to be bound by A through P above. >>> >>>Authorization >>>0a. (N)ew (M)odify (D)elete.........: N >>>0b. Auth Scheme.....................: >>>0c. Auth Info.......................: >>> >>>1. Comments........................: >>> >>>2. Complete Domain Name............: langsam.com >>> >>>Organization Using Domain Name >>>3a. Organization Name................: Moishe Miller >>>3b. Street Address..................: 1374 East 28th St >>>3c. City............................: Brooklyn >>>3d. State...........................: NY >>>3e. Postal Code.....................: 11210 >>>3f. Country.........................: USA >>> >>>Administrative Contact >>>4a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: >>>4b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Individual >>>4c. Name (Last, First)..............: Miller, Moishe >>>4d. Organization Name...............: >>>4e. Street Address..................: 1374 East 28th St >>>4f. City............................: Brooklyn >>>4g. State...........................: NY >>>4h. Postal Code.....................: 11210 >>>4i. Country.........................: USA >>>4j. Phone Number....................: 212 214 3580 >>>4k. Fax Number......................: >>>4l. E-Mailbox.......................: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>> >>>Technical Contact >>>5a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: DT145-ORG >>>5b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Role Account >>>5c. Name(Last, First)...............: >>>5d. Organization Name...............: >>>5e. Street Address..................: >>>5f. City............................: >>>5g. State...........................: >>>5h. Postal Code.....................: >>>5i. Country.........................: >>>5j. Phone Number....................: >>>5k. Fax Number......................: >>>5l. E-Mailbox.......................: >>> >>>Billing Contact >>>6a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: >>>6b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............: Individual >>>6c. Name (Last, First)..............: Miller, Moishe >>>6d. Organization Name...............: >>>6e. Street Address..................: 1374 East 28th St >>>6f. City............................: Brooklyn >>>6g. State...........................: NY >>>6h. Postal Code.....................: 11210 >>>6i. Country.........................: USA >>>6j. Phone Number....................: 212 214 3580 >>>6k. Fax Number......................: >>>6l. E-Mailbox.......................: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>> >>>Prime Name Server >>>7a. Primary Server Hostname.........: ns1.granitecanyon.com >>>7b. Primary Server Netaddress.......: 205.166.226.38 >>> >>>Secondary Name Server(s) >>>8a. Secondary Server Hostname.......: ns2.granitecanyon.com >>>8b. Secondary Server Netaddress.....: 208.146.254.90 >>> >>> >>>END OF AGREEMENT >>> >>> >>>For instructions, please refer to: >>>"http://www.networksolutions.com/help/registration/inst_newreg.html" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525675E.007C3621; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:36:43 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21540; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:36:58 -0400 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12524 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:36:23 -0400 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA02641 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <001401be8f6c$2e1ac9a0$3901f592@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com References: <8525675E.004C3B30.00@notes.prusec.com> Subject: Re: www.langsam.com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 18:37:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: www.langsam.com PostedDate: 04/25/99 06:37:18 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/25/99 06:36:52 PM-04/25/99 06:36:52 PM,04/25/99 06:37:04 PM-04/25/99 06:37:05 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/25/99 06:37:05 PM Categories: $Revisions: But according to my version David was an older brother? Something doesn't make sense..... As for the domain, I will have to ask my college whether they will set it in their DSN. The last time I did that I had to own the site, because they would only list sites belonging to college personnel. Also, I was thinking that perhaps it would be easier if I registered www.langsam.org not .com since we are not a commercial site. Also, I am waiting for you to give me the Hebrew macros.... Thanks. Yedidyah ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 9:52 AM Subject: www.langsam.com > Hi, > Suzan, thanks for that Lancut & Blazowa packet. The last Lancut states that > Pesach Langsam (the original) had two more sons born to him AFTER R' Zvi > Elimelech! Could that be your two branches (L2/L4 & L5)? Based on Suzan's > birthyear for Chaim Leib, I would think so. > Also, I have registered the domain name LANGSAM and am trying to have the > nameserver point to my site. Do you have any resources I might try? I have > almost exhausted mine. The next thing would be to pay for the entry. > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525675D.001D826D; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:19 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA08126; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:32 -0400 Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com (arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA09850 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:22:42 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id AAA24255; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:18:28 -0400 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: dingonet Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com Message-Id: <199904240018_MC2-7332-F88A@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; 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My mom said there are intersting things to see so I want to visit. Rachel Porges ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256755.00097778; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:43:24 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29146; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:43:36 -0400 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17742 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:43:45 -0400 Received: from lmagyar (p44-clv2-ts2.en.net [207.180.218.108]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA14503; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, 106607.620@compuserve.com Cc: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, neurolevy@datacomm.ch, mehadrin@aol.com, Neil185@aol.com, hosp@voicenet.com, srwynne@erols.com Subject: RE: Uri - Fisch family Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:44:28 -0400 Message-Id: <000101be87aa$aae55960$6cdab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256755.000428C1.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Uri - Fisch family PostedDate: 04/15/99 09:44:28 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,106607.620@compuserve.com CopyTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,neurolevy@datacomm.ch,mehadrin@aol.com,Neil185@aol.com,hosp@voicenet.com,srwynne@erols.com ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/15/99 09:43:33 PM-04/15/99 09:43:34 PM,04/15/99 09:43:32 PM-04/15/99 09:43:33 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/15/99 09:43:33 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe and Daniel - "You" wrote: > That is the source for the 1821 date for R Pesach Avrohm as well. > I did not see actual copies, only a typed extract and computer generated tree. > Louie, Any chance of taking a look at your originals for these two birth years? 5). You asked if I was sure that the first mentioned son of Sara and Moshe > Schonfeld, R Pesach Avrohm, was born in 1821? This would make his father be 11 years > old at the birth of his first child!? See #4 above. My guess is that it was a typo on > the extract and should read 1831, but that is only a guess. Responding to the problematic dates here is the information I have: According to Sefer Maramoresh page 338 it states Pesach Avrahom S. died in 1905.Wunder has 1898; he said he was born in 1821. From 1848 through 1898 he was Rav in Kurima. He had a step son Shmuel Weisman-Chayes from Dinev. He also had a son Yakov Meir S. who became Rov is Bistritsa after marring the daughter of the Rosh Hakahal there(if I recall the name was Rubin). Another son Yosef S. moved to Safed and published (2nd printing) Chochamas Hanefesh written by his ggrandfather, the Bene Yissaschar. Rav Pesach Avraham also had two daughters one of whom married Moshe (or Yakov) Weiss who succeeded his father in law as Rav in Kurima. Rabbi P.A. was married to the daughter of Rabbi Ezriel Green ABD of Munkacs who according to one informant had the name Frostig while living in Poland and changed it upon coming to Munkacs. The dates I currently have on my family tree chart for Rabbi Pesach Avrahom are: born in 1834 and died in 1898. I don't recall the source for the year of birth. In any case Rabbi P.A. was not the first born it may have been Eliezer Schonfeld named after Moshe's father born in Oct 1827 and the next year Pessil Schonfeld Laufter was born. The 1869 Census shows both Moshe Schonfeld and Sarah Spira being born in 1810. However, per an extract of the birth record I received from Slovakia it showed that Moshe was born in 1807 and was niftar 5/28/1878. I also have a date of 1808 for the birth of Sara Spira (don't recall source for that) and she was Niftar 6/9/1878. I haven't looked at the 1857 Census and would appreciate any leads where I could locate a copy for Zemplen. > Louie, > Once again, can you verify? > > 6). Regarding Louis' plea, not to neglect Sender Uri's descendants (Rabbis > Pinchas > Arye and Akiva Gottlieb)? I wrote a couple of letters, but since the > initial response two > years ago, have not received any replies. > Can anyone facilitate? > > 7). Regarding a suggestion to find a liaison in Israel, based on some > recent > experiences, I personally would only be happy with a blood connection in > this > position. It is kind of a more vested interest. Any suggestions? > > Thank you Daniel for all the effort you put into your letter. I > will add it > to the end of your > email page on the net, linked off your g-grandmother. > > G'Shabbos to you all! > > -Moishe > > PS: Who is hosp@voicenet.com ? > > > > > > 106607.620@compuserve.com > Thursday April 15, 1999 06:40 PM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: See Below > Subject: Uri - Fisch family > > > > > Dear Moishe and all others! > > After Rabbi Marmorstein's enthusiastic message to the H-SIG discussion > group about your website, I checked it again today and I noticed all the > new information you added in this last update. Congratulations and thank > you very much for this fantastic work! > > In a message from January 31th 1999, you asked a few questions. One was > that either Jakov Uri's second wife could not have had the name "Lea" > because Friedmann in his book lists a daughter of this second > marriage with > the name "Rochel Leah", or Rochel Lea must have been a daughter of the > first marriage. On the website I noticed that you now listed Rochel Lea as > daughter of the first marriage. So I guess you were able to solve this > problem? May I ask what source you could find for this? Was Leo Hirsch > (mentioned by Louis and you in following e-mails) of any help? > > As addition to an other daughter of Jakov Uri and Rivka Spira, namely > Gittel Hinda (married to R Moshe Rottenberg, ABD Kozava): I have a > postcard, written in Jiddish on December 16th 1940, from Mordechaj Fisch, > son of Chava Fisch, sent from "Fisch at Beile Rottenberg, Kozowa". At the > end Mordechaj writes: Frau Rottenberg is das ejn Mishpaha (Mrs Rottenberg > is a relative). > > As to your question regarding the Fish connections on both sides: > 1. Henya, daughter of Jakov Uri and Rivka Spira, married to Eliyahu > Meshullam Fish > 2. Chava, daughter of Jakov Uri and Lea Schonfeld, married to Samuel Fisch > > You wrote: While not a problem (many families remarried into the same > families over and over), it still should be noted. > Even more puzzling is the fact, a grandson of Chava and Samuel Fisch > (namely my wife's grandfather) was called Avraham MESHULLAM Fishl Fisch ! > > May I suggest to correct one obvious error on the website: Lea, married to > R Jakov (who died 1855) can not be born in 1850, otherwise she would have > been at the age of between 1 to 5 at her wedding! The dates are > correct for > her daughter though, Chava Fisch, who was born about 1850 and > died in 1932. > Lea was probably born around 1830. And are you sure that the first > mentioned son of Sara and Moshe Schonfeld, R Pesach Avrohm, was born in > 1821? This would make his father be 11 years old at the birth of his first > child!? > > One further question: What happened to Louis' plea, not to neglect Sender > Uri's descendants (Rabbis Pinchas Arye and Akiva Gottlieb)? And to his > suggestion to find a liaison in Israel (Rabbi Meir Wunder or Yehuda > Friedman)? > > Best regards to all of you! > > Daniel Teichman > Zurich, Switzerland > e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch > > > cc: langsam @sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu lmagyar @en.com > neurolevy @datacomm.ch hosp @voicenet.com > mehadrin @aol.com srwynne @erols.com > Neil185 @aol.com > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256753.00091512; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:39:12 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39258; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:39:24 -0400 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA86858 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:39:33 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-253-140.s140.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.253.140]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id VAA18725 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3713F11C.3361C444@erols.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:36:28 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: H fragments References: <85256752.00752D3F.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: H fragments PostedDate: 04/13/99 09:36:28 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/13/99 09:39:20 PM-04/13/99 09:39:21 PM,04/13/99 09:39:18 PM-04/13/99 09:39:19 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/13/99 09:39:19 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Suzan, > Sorry, I menat FACT field, not FAT. I had the only good laugh of the day from this one! Thank you... > H25 is not possible, I have an email from him from October (check the > website) and he says his grandmother, Scheindel, was born in 1898. That > does not fit with her father, Pinchas, being born in 1898, as H25.2 shows. > I have been trying to figure out how we got Pinchas being born in 1898...it is almost impossible given what I know of the rest of the family. His birth would be off by a generation. I think Aron Langsam reported that through his cousin Meir/Melvin from LA.. they are from another branches. In any event, I contacted Earl today with my thoughts. We'll see what if anything he says about this. > It is 9:30 p.m. and I have just finished about 9 hours of effort on the H > branches. It looks good so far. We have no place of origin for 12 groups. > Two for Krakow. 3 for the Dobra Szlacheki/Jaroslaw/Przemysl group. One each > for Dzwinacz/Sanok, Blazowa, Tarnow, Telesnica, Rzeszow, Zagorz, Lwow, > Buczacz. By far, they cluster in the Jawornik-Kanczuga region and Tyrawa > Woloska-Rakowa-Brelikow. Sanok, Bircza, Juresczkowa, Siennow-Raczyna, > Lesko, Ustryki Dolne each have 2-5 groups. I could make no more merges > today but I added some facts from various places in my files so we'll have > better sources for our H section. I'm still a little unsure about how to handle the Ksiel line but I'll just start. Oh, one thing...Blazowa. I have a xeroxed copy of the burial book from the landsmanschaften in NYC from the mid 1980s. Would you take a look at some entries to tell me if you get what I get? H36 is the problem. Yedidyah heard from someone who said that this was his family and I have the additions on file and put them in the update. When I look at the Blazowa death records, I get a bit confused because there seems to be some confusion between L4 and H36. It shouldn't take you more than a few minutes. Suzan > > > > srwynne@erols.com > Tuesday April 13, 1999 02:55 PM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Re: H fragments > > moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > Thanks for your reply. What you propose with H is fine. Can we retain > > somewhere as a fat field the "old H" designation for cross-reference? > > What is a "fat field?" I haven't yet studied the FTM book so perhaps > it's in there. > > > Just curious, what H branch is Earl from? > > H25 under Reisel. See :Pinchas in H25.2. That was Earl's great > grandfather. According to Earl, Pinchas married Pessel. His grandmother > was Scheindel and they had 9 other children whose names I don't have. > Scheindel married Zacharia Fink from Sanok. Some of the stray fragments > we have from TW may be among the descendants of the 9 children of Pinchas > and Pessel. > > Suzan > > > > > -Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256752.0068354E; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:58:13 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22424; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:58:24 -0400 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA76574 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:58:33 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-239-19.s273.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.19]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id OAA15198 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <37139324.DFBC92B5@erols.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:55:32 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: H fragments References: <85256752.005C3982.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: H fragments PostedDate: 04/13/99 02:55:32 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/13/99 02:58:19 PM-04/13/99 02:58:20 PM,04/13/99 02:58:17 PM-04/13/99 02:58:17 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/13/99 02:58:17 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for your reply. What you propose with H is fine. Can we retain > somewhere as a fat field the "old H" designation for cross-reference? What is a "fat field?" I haven't yet studied the FTM book so perhaps it's in there. > Just curious, what H branch is Earl from? H25 under Reisel. See :Pinchas in H25.2. That was Earl's great grandfather. According to Earl, Pinchas married Pessel. His grandmother was Scheindel and they had 9 other children whose names I don't have. Scheindel married Zacharia Fink from Sanok. Some of the stray fragments we have from TW may be among the descendants of the 9 children of Pinchas and Pessel. Suzan > > -Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256752.00223099; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:13:26 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23924; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:13:39 -0400 Received: from mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com [24.2.10.66]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23022 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 02:13:48 -0400 Received: from CR833609A ([24.113.88.87]) by mail.rdc1.bc.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990413061331.CMRR19860.mail.rdc1.bc.home.com@CR833609A> for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:13:31 -0700 Message-Id: <000401be8570$efeef980$57587118@crdva1.bc.wave.home.com> From: earzim1@home.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com References: <85256750.004F9DDE.00@notes.prusec.com> Subject: Re: Our Family Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:46:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 SMTPOriginator: earzim1@home.com From: earzim1@home.com Subject: Re: Our Family PostedDate: 04/13/99 01:46:11 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/13/99 02:13:29 AM-04/13/99 02:13:30 AM,04/13/99 02:13:26 AM-04/13/99 02:13:27 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/13/99 02:13:27 AM Categories: $Revisions: Pesel and Pinchas were my great grandparents. They lived in Tereva. They had 10 children.$ of them lived in Winnipeg and I knew them The children were:Scheindel, my grandmother, she died in Winnipeg in March 1960. Avrum, Sarah, Ronia, Kalman, Chaia,and Slova who all died in the war. Then there was Anny who died in Winnipeg around 1970, Moishe langsam , my uncle who died in Winnipeg around 15 years ago and my aunt Clara who died in Winnipeg about 1 month ago. Now my mom is Ruth Zimmer whose mother was Scheindel. My mom lost a young brother in the war. My mom's brother Saul, sisters Ann and Sally all still live in Winnipeg. Clara's children are Rosalynnwho lives in Winnipeg and Sammy Linhart who lives in Phoenix. They both have their own kids. My Brother lives in Las Vegas. Moishe Langsam had no children. Anny had 2 children, both still live in Winnipeg. I was in Poland last year and drove through Tereva. I wasn't so interested in this stuff then so I only really visited Sanok where my mom was born. What is your r elationship to these folks? Please let me know. Earl Zimmer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 1999 7:29 AM Subject: Our Family > Hi, > Just wanted to touch base. In your 10/28/98 note you said you would try to > get back to me at some point. Any luck finding out any additional info yet? > Can you list the names of all the children of Pesel and Pinchas Langsam? > Did Pinchas have any known siblings? > Do you know where/when he died? What age? Picture of tombstone (might give > his father's name)? > Any Langsam cousin's you know of, but not how you are related? > > Hope to hear from you soon. > Be Well! > -Moishe > moishe_miller@prusec.com > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256752.00173A2C; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:13:42 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18810; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:13:54 -0400 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA69174 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:14:03 -0400 From: Mehadrin@aol.com Received: from Mehadrin@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 8ASOa12393 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <41505ee2.24441d63@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:09:07 EDT Subject: Re: Miller family tree To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Reply-To: Mehadrin@aol.com SMTPOriginator: Mehadrin@aol.com From: Mehadrin@aol.com Subject: Re: Miller family tree PostedDate: 04/13/99 12:09:07 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: Mehadrin@aol.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/13/99 12:13:52 AM-04/13/99 12:13:58 AM,04/13/99 12:13:54 AM-04/13/99 12:13:55 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/13/99 12:13:55 AM Categories: $Revisions: In a message dated 4/11/99 11:53:32 PM, moishe_miller@prusec.com writes: >any phone numbers that >I can start off with or the name of Yitzchok Oberlander's CPA firm? >My guess is that the Bnei Yissoschur has more then 10,000 offspring, given >the fact that his brother, Avrohm Aba Miller has 6500+ known, and the Bnei >Yissoschur, doing "rebbishe shiduchin", married them off at a much younger >age. ..... But on the other hand, rebbishe dynasties intermarry much more among themselves, and marriages between cousins halve the number of offspring per ancestor. Incidentally, we often find two family names in the same family one being an ancient pedigree and the other a trade or physical description, hence Shapira and Langsam... but isn't Shapira and Langsam and Miller for three brothers rather unusual? Did the original Langsam also use the name Shapira in any official documents? This is what I found in the online phone book Oberlander, Berl (Mrs. Oberlander is a born Langsam---she is Yitzchok's mother) 1688 50th St Brooklyn, NY 11204 718-851-1826 1852 58th St Brooklyn, NY 11204 718-232-6284   Oberlander, Isaac 1852 58th St Brooklyn, NY 11204 718-232-5400 His business listing is: Isaac Oberlander & Company 401 Avenue M, Brooklyn, NY 11230 (718) 377-3000 Best wishes, Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256752.00036628; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:37:07 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24446; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:37:20 -0400 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA76560 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:37:25 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-238-13.s13.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.238.13]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27064 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <37129113.C82D523@erols.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:34:27 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: H fragments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: H fragments PostedDate: 04/12/99 08:34:27 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/12/99 08:37:12 PM-04/12/99 08:37:13 PM,04/12/99 08:37:09 PM-04/12/99 08:37:11 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/12/99 08:37:11 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I spent some time over the past rainy and ugly weekend mapping out my H fragments and seeing what goes where. I grouped the fragments by region and then found that I could collapse some of the fragments further when it was apparent that I actually had brothers and sisters in several separate sections. That was fun and, I hope, useful. Now I am faced with the ultimate dilemma and I think we need to make some decisions before I start data entry. It looks like we could end up about 50 fragments. Do I make a separate file for each? Like label them H1, H2 and so on? We aren't likely to connect the fragments further before publication so let's assume that they will remain fixed for the time being. Or, would it be better to use some other code that will allow us to identify the fragments by region/town or the name of the oldest known person in the fragment? Once I get started, things should move pretty quickly because on most of these groups, I have very little beyond names, some dates and random facts like burial place, date of arrival, date of naturalization. On some of the families, I have only information gathered from NY sources....no idea where they came from originally. They will be at the end even though I have a good deal of information that Estelle collected years ago. Do you have any more fragments that you haven't yet sent to me? If so, please do so as you get them because it may help to connect more dots. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256751.0080C532; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:26:30 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA52492; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:26:42 -0400 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20868 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:26:51 -0400 From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Received: from MISSAQUE@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 8NMJa23597 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:21:41 EDT Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: MISSAQUE@aol.com SMTPOriginator: MISSAQUE@aol.com From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam PostedDate: 04/12/99 07:21:41 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: MISSAQUE@aol.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/12/99 07:26:38 PM-04/12/99 07:26:39 PM,04/12/99 07:26:35 PM-04/12/99 07:26:36 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/12/99 07:26:36 PM Categories: $Revisions: sure...I had left you a voice message .. did not leave my number...i'll try you again next weeek probably on wednesday $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256751.005C6B1C; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:49:27 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18878; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:49:40 -0400 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA77452 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:49:49 -0400 From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Received: from MISSAQUE@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 8MBQa07510 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <7144e750.24437dd5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Reply-To: MISSAQUE@aol.com SMTPOriginator: MISSAQUE@aol.com From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam PostedDate: 04/12/99 12:48:21 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: MISSAQUE@aol.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/12/99 12:49:30 PM-04/12/99 12:49:31 PM,04/12/99 12:49:27 PM-04/12/99 12:49:28 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/12/99 12:49:28 PM Categories: $Revisions: Have not heard anymore from you....the information as far as I know that you have is correnct...please keep in touch $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256750.007D7BA7; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:36 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA57690; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:49 -0400 Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25084 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:58 -0400 From: Mehadrin@aol.com Received: from Mehadrin@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 8PYOa17660 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <7ae47a44.2442811a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:50:02 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Miller family tree To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3 Reply-To: Mehadrin@aol.com SMTPOriginator: Mehadrin@aol.com From: Mehadrin@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Miller family tree PostedDate: 04/11/99 06:50:02 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: Mehadrin@aol.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/11/99 06:50:37 PM-04/11/99 06:50:38 PM,04/11/99 06:50:35 PM-04/11/99 06:50:35 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/11/99 06:50:35 PM Categories: $Revisions: >I am not in contact with the Belzer Langsams (unless Sholom Pesach Langsam is one) in Boro >Park and the Oberlanders and Lembergers and other members of that side of >the clan. I am not sure who you should start with, Faigie Kanner nee Oberlander (whose mother is a Langsam) is a friend of my wife's and as a result I have attended a lot of simchos with big Langsam representation. Perhaps the best person to contact is Yitzchok Oberlander (be-shtreimeled CPA) on 58th Street in Boro Park and ask him which of the Langsams of his family is interested in family genealogy. He knows everyoen and I have the feeling he would know. You could tell him that I gave you his name, after I saw the family tree on the web. Pesach Lemberger, the local representative of hamachaneh Hachareidi ---the Belzer newspaper---- is also somehow from the Langsam family and so is the Dayan of one of the newer Belzer Shtieblach in Boro Park, but although I am acquainted with them, I have no idea if they have a mishpocho interest or not. Louis Schonfeld has mentioned to me that he has a calculation of over 5,000 "einiklach" of the Bnei Yisoschor.... do you have all of them in your web page tree? Best wishes Avrohom Marmorstein $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256750.00689877; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:02:27 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29328; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:02:40 -0400 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26132 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:02:49 -0400 From: Mehadrin@aol.com Received: from Mehadrin@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.9) id 8PLPa12393 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <378bcae0.24424b97@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:01:43 EDT Subject: Miller family tree To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Reply-To: Mehadrin@aol.com SMTPOriginator: Mehadrin@aol.com From: Mehadrin@aol.com Subject: Miller family tree PostedDate: 04/11/99 03:01:43 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: Mehadrin@aol.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/11/99 03:02:30 PM-04/11/99 03:02:31 PM,04/11/99 03:02:29 PM-04/11/99 03:02:32 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/11/99 03:02:32 PM Categories: $Revisions: I posted to the Hungarian Special interest group, the following announcement. A fascinating new home page is now available at: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm Produced by Moishe Miller of Brooklyn it shows many parts of his diverse and many-branched family, his section of which is from Obrucna in Slovakia. I enclose a part of it which shows the early generations of the family of our illustrious friend Louis Schonfeld (Louis did you know about this homepage, I am sure you knew about Mr. Miller and his rsearch.) Langsam/Miller/Spira/Ekstein Genealogy ------------------- Pesach Langsam (1748 - Nov 2, 1820) married Ita and lived in Yawornik Polski, Galicia (near Blazowa & Dynow). Six known children lived to adulthood. * Avrohm Aba Miller (c.1765 - c.1848) had 3 known sons. He lived in Lenartov/Malcov, Slovakia. * Yakov Mylech (1784 - 1860's) was born in Lenartov, Slovakia. He lived in Obrucna, Slovakia, was married twice, and had children from both wives. 9 of his children are known. Shabsi, Zlate, Chaskel, Rozi, Mira, Anna, Rezi, Kasalin (Rivka?), & Salamon ************** * R' Hersh Mylech Spira (1783- 1841 [18 Teves]) of Ryobtycze, Stryzow, Oleszyce, Mukachevo, & Dynow, Galicia, married Chana Mindel (), daughter of Shmuel. They had 7 known children. * Sara (1804? - 1878 [24 Iyar]) married Moshe Schonfeld (1810 - 1883 [27 Mar Cheshvan]), of Medzilaborce, Slovakia. They had 12 known children. Naftali Hertzke, Lazar, Pessil Laufer, R' Pesach Avrohm, R' Zvi Elimelech, Mordechai Yosef, Rivka Harpuder, Shimon, Asher, Bracha Meisels?, Mirel Lifsha, & Leah Uri. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The page concludes with the following modest notice: I would be very interested to hear from anyone with knowledge or an interest in the Miller family. Moishe Miller moishe_miller@prusec.com My home address is 1374 East 28th Street Brooklyn NY 11210-5311 USA ______________________________________________________________ I am very impressed by the work that went into this genealogy page and am sure that many of our members could find useful information in one or other of its offshoots, perhaps even completing one of Mr. Miller's so-called "broken branches." Incidentally I assume you are in contact with the Belzer Langsams in Boro Park and the Oberlanders and Lembergers and other members of that side of the clan. Yasher Koach, Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein New York City mehadrin@aol.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256750.0052A828; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:02:27 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11324; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:02:40 -0400 Received: from ca.bcps.org ([151.196.98.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA43252 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:02:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199904111502.LAA43252@pruns1> Received: from [192.168.1.4] by ca.bcps.org (AppleShare IP Mail Server 5.0.3) id 594861 via TCP with SMTP; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:59:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:00:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? From: techspec@ea.net To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: techspec@ea.net From: techspec@ea.net Subject: Re: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? PostedDate: 04/11/99 11:00:20 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/11/99 11:02:35 AM-04/11/99 11:02:36 AM,04/11/99 11:02:34 AM-04/11/99 11:02:35 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/11/99 11:02:35 AM Categories: $Revisions: Jessica does not have her own email account, but her husband does. His account is: ichisholm@bcps.org I've been forwarding the emails you send to her husband's account. I don't know if she's gotten them.... sorry..... Judy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Judy Campf techspec@ea.net jcampf@bcps.org Enrichment/Technology Specialist The Chatsworth School Baltimore County, MD http://www.ea.net/chatsworth Technology/Differentiation Instructor (MAT Program) Goucher College Towson, MD http://rwd.goucher.edu/wcb/schools/2/5/jcampf/jcampf.html Instant Messenger: MacJudy ICQ: 5088178 http://members.home.com/campf ---------- >From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >To: techspec@ea.net >Subject: Any news from Jessica Langsam Chisholm ? >Date: Sat, Apr 10, 1999, 9:57 PM > > Hi, > Just wanted to touch base regarding your friend/my cousin. Can you ask her > if she uncovered any additional info, like Max's siblings or where in > Europe they came from? Jacob's death record or cemetery? > Thanks for being the conduit! > -Moishe > moishe_miller@prusec.com > > PS: Can I get her mailing address? > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674F.00423660; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:03:12 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31396; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:03:25 -0400 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA79124 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:03:34 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-239-53.s307.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.53]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28135 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <370F3D68.AFA7E5D@erols.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:00:40 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Blazowa family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Blazowa family PostedDate: 04/10/99 08:00:40 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/10/99 08:03:16 AM-04/10/99 08:03:24 AM,04/10/99 08:03:20 AM-04/10/99 08:03:21 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/10/99 08:03:21 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, Thanks for passing on the information about Jehoshua's family. He e-mailed me part of this information some time ago. It was accompanied by a family tree that I couldn't open and I kept asking him to send it to me by mail...he never did. I also asked him about the previous generations because I can't link Hersch and Ruchel with anyone. Even if he could tell me if Hersch had siblings, that might help. He very well could be connected to Michael Cohen's family from Blazowa and there would be our missing link. The fact of Ksiel is highly significant.... If you could help with this, we might get somewhere. Also, I can't get Earl Zimmer to respond. Maybe if you innocently try to contact him without telling him where you got his e-mail address, you could link into his whole Langsam family in Canada. His address is earzim1@home.com. He said his grandmother was Scheindel Langsam who was from Sanok. She had 2 sisters and a brother. The family moved to Winnipeg after the war. I got him to share a bit more but then he didn't respond any more. I think he lives in Montreal. In the middle of our very slow correspondence, I read in my old files about this family. I had never followed up on the lead. I wrote to Earl about this find, but no response. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674F.003EFDF5; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:28:02 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37540; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:28:15 -0400 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA69542 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:28:24 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-239-53.s307.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.239.53]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21326 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <370F3526.E3C0471B@erols.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:25:26 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: website edit] References: <8525674E.0017B606.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: website edit] PostedDate: 04/10/99 07:25:26 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/10/99 07:28:11 AM-04/10/99 07:28:12 AM,04/10/99 07:28:08 AM-04/10/99 07:58:03 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/10/99 07:58:03 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi. > The points you made or points you said you didnt keep the response and did > not know my what original response was in reference to: > 1. Avram would make more sense in English....in Orthodox circles, English > isn't used! > > M: Well I am orthodox and I use English, but anyhow, I checked with my 9 > year old son and quite a few of the kids in his class are "Avraham" or > "Avrohom". Is that any better? Yes, "dahling" cousin, much better and you know what I meant. The name written on the papers for the Brit Milah is definitely not in English! > 2. > - I list the name used in English. In the case of R' Elazar, he was > not > > known as Chaim, so it is not listed. > > This is an important genealogical search issue. The way he was known is > not as important on a website as the way he was born...most people are > looking for a full name as a connection. The purpose of a website is to > make that connection. In the book, we will have many hundreds of > individual with double > names. They were given those names for reasons of yicchus and they are > importnat clues as to religious idientification and genealogical descent. > > M: OK, I see what you mean. For the higher generations, I actually spelled > out (in Hebrew, like we discussed over lunch) the full name. I want to use > the name they used for the same reason you want the full name; so people > know who it is. Roita Ber may have been DOV in Hebrew, you feel the DOV > should show as well. I will make chages to accomodate even on the lower > levels. I changed the reference to reflect this. > > 3. > See pages 5-8, 5-19 and 5-22 of your book. Which is right? I just put > > parantheses with a question mark because I did not know. > > I forget what the question was. > > M: Ethyl vs Ethel. Which one? See the pages referenced. > Oh, definitely Ethel. > > 4. > - Bikla. Ukraine is what my Monroe NY contact told me. Wunder listed > it the > > same way, source unknown. I will attempt to reinvestigate. > > Yes, in my weekend reading about the various Hasidic families, I > encountered > this town. > > M: Check the back of the Gesher Galicia Family Finder where the map grid is > located. Bikle is right there, next to Mukachevo. > > 5. > - Error yes, but I am trying to be kind. Too kind? > > I forget the question...didn't keep copies of my response to you. > > M: Wunder's references that seem to contradict each other. You asked what I > meant by typographical. Too kind? > No, though I think, like Neil Rosenstein did in Unbroken Chain, that you can point out that Wunder presented contradictory information. It's an issue of scholarship and you should point out such contradictions. If you have independent information that suggests one or the other is more correct, indicate that too. That is what we agreed on in NY...regardless of who is involved. > > 6. > - Barditchev changed to Barditchev 1 time. > > Berdichev, Moishe > > M: Barditchev changed to Berdichev 1 time. > > 7. > - Ita Leah was known as Leah. > > Again, Ita was somebody's name before her and may be genealogically > significant > in a website. > > M: Done, see #2 > > 8. > - Ita LEAH would not name her daughter her name Rochel LEAH. Also, I > went to > > the source (in Hebrew). It is inconclusive at best. I interviewed several > > descendents and the dates make more sense the other way. > > If you look carefully at female names in our family, you will see a > surprising number of girls named after their others...interesting. When I > was doing the H sections, I was struck by this and went back to other > branches and found the > same thing. I guess the tradition didn't apply as much to females. > > M: Please cite a few examples in the H branch. Perhaps you mean in records? > I have seem children with different Hebrew names given like civil names in > Slovak birth records. Anyhow, this one will stay the way I noted it for the > time being because the source was not valid and speaking with two > descendants, not known to be true by them. > > 9. > - Of note is the fact that quite a few of his grandchildren bore the > names of > > the Bnei Yissochur, Tzvi Elimelech, and his wife, Chana Mindel. Perhaps > Chaim > > Leib's wife was a descendant (daughter or granddaughter). Please explain > the > > abundance of these names in this branch. This is an observation only and > is > > stated as such. Comments? > > The adoption of names had to do with the religious identification in my > branch. All of my ancestors were associated with the Dynower courts and > lived in the towns where the Spiras had a presence. ...this was true down > to my > grandfather whose forced marriage was based on his family > relationship....my grandparents hated each other and my grandmother had > been in love with a man she knew. She never got over it. > > M: The naming would hold true for the male side, but it was not common to > name after famous Rabbi's wives. > > Anyhow, thanks for taking all the time. The weather was great here this > last day of Passover and we were by my in-laws, not far from Yedidya. I > took my 3 year old for a walk and dropped off your letter to me. His son > took it from me. I will wait to hear from Yedidya as well. > > Lastly, Oscar Langsam finally wrote! He has a KSIL in his branch! He sent > me a picture of his family and a tree! The top lists HERSH and RUCHEL > LANGSAM of Blazowa, with seven kids: > Yente, Sure Gittel, Chaya, Yoseph, Ksil, Yacov (with a second wife Rose, > they lived in NY), and Aharon, born in 1902, in Blazova. See any H > connection or L connection? > > - Moishe > > srwynne@erols.com > Tuesday April 6, 1999 06:39 PM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: [Fwd: website edit] > > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > Message-ID: <3709FF86.C8737469@erols.com> > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:35:18 -0400 > From: Suzan Wynne > X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; > html=0; linewidth=79 > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: moishe_miller@prusec.com > Subject: Re: website edit > References: <8525674B.0005FF33.00@notes.prusec.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > Just got it. I really appreciate all the time and effort you spent in > > generating your comments. Some feedback as an FYI: > > - In Orthodox circles, Avrohm is a common spelling. I will investigate > how > > far reaching your change request will be. > > Avram would make more sense in English....in Orthodox circles, English > isn't > used! > > > - Mozses; just copied the Slovak census record as written, I can correct > > anyhow. Which do you suggest? > > Well, yes, this is a Slovakian form. Leave it then. > > > - I felt girl/boy was less scholarly and clinical than male/female. > Something > > I wanted to avoid when associating them with the Holocaust (especially as > > victims). Boy/Girl sounds like a person. Male/Female sounds like a > statistic. > > Yoru thoughts? > > Yes, it's a matter of respect for adults in my view but I hear your > argument...it's your website so it's your call. > > > - I list the name used in English. In the case of R' Elazar, he was not > > known as Chaim, so it is not listed. > > This is an important genealogical search issue. The way he was known is > not as > important on a website as the way he was born...most people are looking for > a > full name as a connection. The purpose of a website is to make that > connection. In the book, we will have many hundreds of individual with > double > names. They were given those names for reasons of yicchus and they are > importnat clues as to religious idientification and genealogical descent. > > > - Why not Yacov Yosef? Because later another brother, Yosef is listed: > > Gotcha. I forgot about Josef > > > See pages 5-8, 5-19 and 5-22 of your book. Which is right? I just put > > parantheses with a question mark because I did not know. > > I forget what the question was. > > > - Bikla. Ukraine is what my Monroe NY contact told me. Wunder listed it > the > > same way, source unknown. I will attempt to reinvestigate. > > Yes, in my weekend reading about the various Hasidic families, I > encountered > this town. > > > - Error yes, but I am trying to be kind. Too kind? > > I forget the question...didn't keep copies of my response to you. > > > - Barditchev changed to Barditchev 1 time. > > Berdichev, Moishe > > > - Ita Leah was known as Leah. > > Again, Ita was somebody's name before her and may be genealogically > significant > in a website. > > > - Ita LEAH would not name her daughter her name Rochel LEAH. Also, I went > to > > the source (in Hebrew). It is inconclusive at best. I interviewed several > > descendents and the dates make more sense the other way. > > If you look carefully at female names in our family, you will see a > surprising > number of girls named after their mothers...interesting. When I was doing > the > H sections, I was struck by this and went back to other branches and found > the > same thing. I guess the tradition didn't apply as much to females. > > > - Of note is the fact that quite a few of his grandchildren bore the > names of > > the Bnei Yissochur, Tzvi Elimelech, and his wife, Chana Mindel. Perhaps > Chaim > > Leib's wife was a descendant (daughter or granddaughter). Please explain > the > > abundance of these names in this branch. This is an observation only and > is > > stated as such. Comments? > > The adoption of names had to do with the religious identification in my > branch. All of my ancestors were associated with the Dynower courts and > lived > in the towns where the Spiras had a presence. ...this was true down to my > grandfather whose forced marriage was based on his family > relationship....my > grandparents hated each other and my grandmother had been in love with a > man > she knew. She never got over it. > > srwynne@erols.com > Tuesday April 6, 1999 06:39 PM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: [Fwd: website edit] > > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > Message-ID: <3709FF86.C8737469@erols.com> > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:35:18 -0400 > From: Suzan Wynne > X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; > html=0; linewidth=79 > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: moishe_miller@prusec.com > Subject: Re: website edit > References: <8525674B.0005FF33.00@notes.prusec.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > Just got it. I really appreciate all the time and effort you spent in > > generating your comments. Some feedback as an FYI: > > - In Orthodox circles, Avrohm is a common spelling. I will investigate > how > > far reaching your change request will be. > > Avram would make more sense in English....in Orthodox circles, English > isn't > used! > > > - Mozses; just copied the Slovak census record as written, I can correct > > anyhow. Which do you suggest? > > Well, yes, this is a Slovakian form. Leave it then. > > > - I felt girl/boy was less scholarly and clinical than male/female. > Something > > I wanted to avoid when associating them with the Holocaust (especially as > > victims). Boy/Girl sounds like a person. Male/Female sounds like a > statistic. > > Yoru thoughts? > > Yes, it's a matter of respect for adults in my view but I hear your > argument...it's your website so it's your call. > > > - I list the name used in English. In the case of R' Elazar, he was not > > known as Chaim, so it is not listed. > > This is an important genealogical search issue. The way he was known is > not as > important on a website as the way he was born...most people are looking for > a > full name as a connection. The purpose of a website is to make that > connection. In the book, we will have many hundreds of individual with > double > names. They were given those names for reasons of yicchus and they are > importnat clues as to religious idientification and genealogical descent. > > > - Why not Yacov Yosef? Because later another brother, Yosef is listed: > > Gotcha. I forgot about Josef > > > See pages 5-8, 5-19 and 5-22 of your book. Which is right? I just put > > parantheses with a question mark because I did not know. > > I forget what the question was. > > > - Bikla. Ukraine is what my Monroe NY contact told me. Wunder listed it > the > > same way, source unknown. I will attempt to reinvestigate. > > Yes, in my weekend reading about the various Hasidic families, I > encountered > this town. > > > - Error yes, but I am trying to be kind. Too kind? > > I forget the question...didn't keep copies of my response to you. > > > - Barditchev changed to Barditchev 1 time. > > Berdichev, Moishe > > > - Ita Leah was known as Leah. > > Again, Ita was somebody's name before her and may be genealogically > significant > in a website. > > > - Ita LEAH would not name her daughter her name Rochel LEAH. Also, I went > to > > the source (in Hebrew). It is inconclusive at best. I interviewed several > > descendents and the dates make more sense the other way. > > If you look carefully at female names in our family, you will see a > surprising > number of girls named after their mothers...interesting. When I was doing > the > H sections, I was struck by this and went back to other branches and found > the > same thing. I guess the tradition didn't apply as much to females. > > > - Of note is the fact that quite a few of his grandchildren bore the > names of > > the Bnei Yissochur, Tzvi Elimelech, and his wife, Chana Mindel. Perhaps > Chaim > > Leib's wife was a descendant (daughter or granddaughter). Please explain > the > > abundance of these names in this branch. This is an observation only and > is > > stated as such. Comments? > > The adoption of names had to do with the religious identification in my > branch. All of my ancestors were associated with the Dynower courts and > lived > in the towns where the Spiras had a presence. ...this was true down to my > grandfather whose forced marriage was based on his family > relationship....my > grandparents hated each other and my grandmother had been in love with a > man > she knew. She never got over it. > > > > > - ...11 children, 7 of which lived to adulthood. The children all took > the > > surname of Fische > > I hope you put Fischel and not Fische. > > > Suzan > > > > OK, all done (I hope). Please respond with your feedback. > > -Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674F.0005C431; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:54:27 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA56524; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:54:40 -0400 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA31198 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:54:48 -0400 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa26273; 9 Apr 99 17:50 PDT To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: latest update Reply-To: dan@ics.uci.edu Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 17:50:44 -0700 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9904091750.aa26273@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: latest update PostedDate: 04/09/99 08:50:44 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu ReplyTo: dan@ics.uci.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/09/99 08:54:35 PM-04/09/99 08:54:35 PM,04/09/99 08:54:31 PM-04/09/99 08:54:33 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/09/99 08:54:33 PM Categories: $Revisions: I received the latest update disk from you today. I have placed the files in the proper places, EXCEPT for the following 3 files in directory "langsam/": canada~1.htm l5-3-8-2.txt openla~1.htm because I could not find any reference to any of these files. Also, I found an error in one file: Line 31 of langsam/mendel.htm is now:
  • Tzvi Hersh was married and lived in Dinov, Galicia. He had many children. Two survived the was and came to the USA in '46. and went to Chicago.
    You should change: the was into: the war Also, please change: in '46. and went into: in '46, and went Best regards, Dan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674E.004CE39C; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:59:50 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25298; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:59:42 -0400 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA69150 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:59:50 -0400 Received: from netvision.net.il (ts003p3.rvt.netvision.net.il [199.203.248.59]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09025; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:55:20 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <370E1523.CC6E17C8@netvision.net.il> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 16:56:35 +0200 From: oscar@netvision.net.il X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jshahar@internet-zahav.net, rrfrid@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il, maxnanet@euronet.nl, anitaz@netvision.net.il, ayamar@netvision.net.il, omegaelc@netvision.net.il, zaluskyd@neve-ur.org.il, able2@worldnet.att.net, deanlangsam@hotmail.com, maayan@wiccmail.weizmann.ac.il, rdsteuer@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il, baroukh@netpoint.com.br, bmhofst@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il, IWeiss7054@aol.com, 75662.617@compuserve.com, Jessianne@aol.com, mandel_a@inter.net.il, triki@isdn.net.il, lclesley@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il, S.Stoffer@inter.NL.net, mormaya@netvision.net.il, ymaya@mindspring.com, mocky@xs4all.nl, moishe_miller@prusec.com, nech@inter.net.il, MNmadi@aol.com, NiLan@aol.com, shabilan@internet-zahav.net, omaatje@worldonline.nl, Omaatje@aol.com, melinsss@aol.com, lifuchs@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il, a.bleich@originet.com.br, iluz@isdn.net.il, weinreb@netvision.net.il, hester@hotmail.com, jeanhohn@olypen.com, dan.larsson@swipnet.se, asta_min@bellsouth.net, marlinestoffer@wxs.nl, baroukh@netpoint.com.br, vega@icanect.net, sasylove@m3.sprynet.com, LambtownWest@email.msn.com, pm_ron@magen.org.il, willowbn@sover.net, jollo@total.net, mrsb2453@hotmail.com Subject: New Times April/99 internet edition has been posted on the web Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------93063DED01C0B352AEA031F6" $FILE: SMTPOriginator: oscar@netvision.net.il From: oscar@netvision.net.il Subject: New Times April/99 internet edition has been posted on the web PostedDate: 04/09/99 10:56:35 AM SendTo: jshahar@internet-zahav.net,rrfrid@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il,maxnanet@euronet.nl,anitaz@netvision.net.il,ayamar@netvision.net.il,omegaelc@netvision.net.il,zaluskyd@neve-ur.org.il,able2@worldnet.att.net,deanlangsam@hotmail.com,maayan@wiccmail.weizmann.ac.il,rdsteuer@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il,baroukh@netpoint.com.br,bmhofst@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il,IWeiss7054@aol.com,75662.617@compuserve.com,Jessianne@aol.com,mandel_a@inter.net.il,triki@isdn.net.il,lclesley@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il,S.Stoffer@inter.nl.net,mormaya@netvision.net.il,ymaya@mindspring.com,mocky@xs4all.nl,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,nech@inter.net.il,MNmadi@aol.com,NiLan@aol.com,shabilan@internet-zahav.net,omaatje@worldonline.nl,Omaatje@aol.com,melinsss@aol.com,lifuchs@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il,a.bleich@originet.com.br,iluz@isdn.net.il,weinreb@netvision.net.il,hester@hotmail.com,jeanhohn@olypen.com,dan.larsson@swipnet.se,asta_min@bellsouth.net,marlinestoffer@wxs.nl,baroukh@netpoint.com.br,vega@icanect.net,sasylove@m3.sprynet.com,LambtownWest@email.msn.com,pm_ron@magen.org.il,willowbn@sover.net,jollo@total.net,mrsb2453@hotmail.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/09/99 09:59:57 AM-04/09/99 09:59:58 AM,04/09/99 09:59:55 AM-04/09/99 10:00:17 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/09/99 10:00:17 AM Categories: $Revisions: go to: http://members.tripod.com/~Langsam/nt.html -- Jehoshua Oscar Langsam (Kuki) - nt.html $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674C.004133DA; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:52:11 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19866; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:52:24 -0400 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA41148 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:52:32 -0400 Received: from netvision.net.il (ts001p2.rvt.netvision.net.il [199.203.248.22]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA31820 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:52:16 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <370B551B.4C88D2A4@netvision.net.il> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:52:43 +0200 From: oscar@netvision.net.il X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: about the Langsams Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------60B05CAD5A313860A2582EB5" $FILE: $FILE: SMTPOriginator: oscar@netvision.net.il From: oscar@netvision.net.il Subject: about the Langsams PostedDate: 04/07/99 08:52:43 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/07/99 07:52:20 AM-04/07/99 07:52:20 AM,04/07/99 07:52:20 AM-04/07/99 07:52:34 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/07/99 07:52:34 AM Categories: $Revisions: Shalom Mister Miller please look up this page of my homepage. here you can find more details of us http://members.tripod.com/~Langsam/langsams.html -sincerely your's- Jehoshua Oscar Langsam - att-1.htm - langsams.html $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674C.00403DAE; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:41:40 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA48436; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:41:54 -0400 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24876 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:42:00 -0400 Received: from netvision.net.il (ts001p2.rvt.netvision.net.il [199.203.248.22]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA32156 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:41:09 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <370B51B4.D51CFEF7@netvision.net.il> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 14:38:13 +0200 From: oscar@netvision.net.il X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Hersch and Ruchel Langsam References: <85256704.00354EC8.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3FB72D3B7E583FE901884025" $FILE: $FILE: $FILE: SMTPOriginator: oscar@netvision.net.il From: oscar@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Hersch and Ruchel Langsam PostedDate: 04/07/99 08:38:13 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/07/99 07:41:46 AM-04/07/99 07:42:03 AM,04/07/99 07:42:03 AM-04/07/99 07:43:31 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/07/99 07:43:32 AM Categories: $Revisions: Here is my amended family History My grandparents were Hersch and Ruchel Langsam from Blazowa. My father, Aaron, their son, was able to get on an illegal ship from Danzig to Palestine in the year 1940 with about 1300 others. The boat was detained in Yugoslavia for reasons unknown to me and after the Nazis occupied Jugoslavia all the 1300 persons were put in a concentration camp in Kladova , Jugoslavia. In October 1941 they were transferred to a camp in Sabac Jugoslavia and all were murdered there by the Nazis After the war,the bodies were exhumed from their mass grave in Sabac, Yugoslavia. and reburied in a Jewish cemetery in Belgrade. My mother, Esther and her two sons waited in Danzig for opportunities to flee. We left with 500 others, the last to successfully leave, on a train to Bratislava and from here continued on an illegal aliyah ship. After 3 month of hardship on the boat where 1800 people were herded into a 500 ton freighter we arrived in Haifa. We were brought to a camp in Athlit and detained by the British Mandate Police. Here my brother Herman died of typhoid at the age of 3 My Mother Esther and myself (Oscar) were exiled to Mauritius until August 1945. Esther remarried but had no more children. As for myself: Oscar Langsam married Helga Hadassa Goldrosen in 1954. we live now in Rehovot , Israel, have a son Nachum , a daughter Racheli and 6 grandchildren. Attached my family tree and a picture of the family sincerely your's , Oscar Langsam , Israel - att-1.htm - langsams.jpg - tree2.jpg $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674C.00182A9F; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:23:57 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA02940; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:24:11 -0400 Received: from shangrila.cs.ucdavis.edu ([169.237.7.84]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA80420 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:24:19 -0400 Received: (from heckman@localhost) by shangrila.cs.ucdavis.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/CS UCDavis) id VAA25645; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:23:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:23:10 -0700 From: heckman@cs.ucdavis.edu Message-Id: <199904070423.VAA25645@shangrila.cs.ucdavis.edu> To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Gesher Galicia Cc: bkhait@aol.com SMTPOriginator: heckman@cs.ucdavis.edu From: heckman@cs.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: Gesher Galicia PostedDate: 04/07/99 12:23:10 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: bkhait@aol.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/07/99 12:24:04 AM-04/07/99 02:50:23 AM,04/07/99 02:50:23 AM-04/07/99 02:51:11 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/07/99 02:51:11 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, We are planning on adding a section of links to our members' pages very soon. Look for the announcement in the next newsletter, although I might link to your site before then. If you would like an announcement in "The Galitzianer" about your web site, you will need to contact the newsletter editor Barbara Khait (bkhait@aol.com). I will forward your email to her. Best wishes, --Mark ======================================= From moishe_miller@prusec.com Mon Apr 5 17:11:52 1999 To: heckman@cs.ucdavis.edu Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:11:44 -0400 Subject: Gesher Galicia Hi, Thanks for all the effort and great work on behalf of all us members. Would you be interested or would it be possible to include a review or reference to my website in your next publication, as well as your "links" list? My address is: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm The site includes the first 5 - 8 generations from Pesach Langsam (from whom Suzan Wynne also comes), as well as Maps, a (Java-Script) Soundex Generator, numerous pictures, helpful addresses, LDS FHC info, NARA info for NY, etc. Thanks! Moishe Miller (#241) moishe_miller@prusec.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674B.007CAC3E; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:41:45 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28250; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:41:59 -0400 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA38304 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:42:08 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-254-215.s215.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.254.215]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA27463 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <370A8D09.7F78295D@erols.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 18:39:06 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: [Fwd: website edit] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------706C2F200F174EDC19F53D44" SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: [Fwd: website edit] PostedDate: 04/06/99 06:39:06 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/06/99 06:41:48 PM-04/06/99 06:41:49 PM,04/06/99 06:41:40 PM-04/06/99 06:41:41 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/06/99 06:41:41 PM Categories: $Revisions: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3709FF86.C8737469@erols.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:35:18 -0400 From: Suzan Wynne X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; html=0; linewidth=79 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: website edit References: <8525674B.0005FF33.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > Just got it. I really appreciate all the time and effort you spent in > generating your comments. Some feedback as an FYI: > - In Orthodox circles, Avrohm is a common spelling. I will investigate how > far reaching your change request will be. Avram would make more sense in English....in Orthodox circles, English isn't used! > - Mozses; just copied the Slovak census record as written, I can correct > anyhow. Which do you suggest? Well, yes, this is a Slovakian form. Leave it then. > - I felt girl/boy was less scholarly and clinical than male/female. Something > I wanted to avoid when associating them with the Holocaust (especially as > victims). Boy/Girl sounds like a person. Male/Female sounds like a statistic. > Yoru thoughts? Yes, it's a matter of respect for adults in my view but I hear your argument...it's your website so it's your call. > - I list the name used in English. In the case of R' Elazar, he was not > known as Chaim, so it is not listed. This is an important genealogical search issue. The way he was known is not as important on a website as the way he was born...most people are looking for a full name as a connection. The purpose of a website is to make that connection. In the book, we will have many hundreds of individual with double names. They were given those names for reasons of yicchus and they are importnat clues as to religious idientification and genealogical descent. > - Why not Yacov Yosef? Because later another brother, Yosef is listed: Gotcha. I forgot about Josef > See pages 5-8, 5-19 and 5-22 of your book. Which is right? I just put > parantheses with a question mark because I did not know. I forget what the question was. > - Bikla. Ukraine is what my Monroe NY contact told me. Wunder listed it the > same way, source unknown. I will attempt to reinvestigate. Yes, in my weekend reading about the various Hasidic families, I encountered this town. > - Error yes, but I am trying to be kind. Too kind? I forget the question...didn't keep copies of my response to you. > - Barditchev changed to Barditchev 1 time. Berdichev, Moishe > - Ita Leah was known as Leah. Again, Ita was somebody's name before her and may be genealogically significant in a website. > - Ita LEAH would not name her daughter her name Rochel LEAH. Also, I went to > the source (in Hebrew). It is inconclusive at best. I interviewed several > descendents and the dates make more sense the other way. If you look carefully at female names in our family, you will see a surprising number of girls named after their mothers...interesting. When I was doing the H sections, I was struck by this and went back to other branches and found the same thing. I guess the tradition didn't apply as much to females. > - Of note is the fact that quite a few of his grandchildren bore the names of > the Bnei Yissochur, Tzvi Elimelech, and his wife, Chana Mindel. Perhaps Chaim > Leib's wife was a descendant (daughter or granddaughter). Please explain the > abundance of these names in this branch. This is an observation only and is > stated as such. Comments? The adoption of names had to do with the religious identification in my branch. All of my ancestors were associated with the Dynower courts and lived in the towns where the Spiras had a presence. ...this was true down to my grandfather whose forced marriage was based on his family relationship....my grandparents hated each other and my grandmother had been in love with a man she knew. She never got over it. > > - ...11 children, 7 of which lived to adulthood. The children all took the > surname of Fische I hope you put Fischel and not Fische. > Suzan > > OK, all done (I hope). Please respond with your feedback. > -Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674B.00252026; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:17:54 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23320; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:18:14 -0400 Received: from hpamgaab.compuserve.com (ah-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.153]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA65196 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:18:23 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaab.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.1) id CAA09953 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:15:24 -0400 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Additional family Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199904060215_MC2-70B3-CED9@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Additional family PostedDate: 04/06/99 02:15:24 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/06/99 02:18:02 AM-04/06/99 02:18:08 AM,04/06/99 02:18:06 AM-04/06/99 02:18:07 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/06/99 02:18:07 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, Glad to know you have a sense of humor. It's genetic, I think. I'll try Marc for you. Bestest. D $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674B.00225B10; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:04:10 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21802; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:04:30 -0400 Received: from mail.brainwaave.com.au ([203.27.206.176]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA65098 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:04:31 -0400 Received: from Judy [192.168.0.50] by filmworld.com.au [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.T) for ; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:04:27 +1000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:03:10 +1000 Message-Id: <01BE8046.F7866A40.judy@filmworld.com.au> From: judy@filmworld.com.au Reply-To: judy@filmworld.com.au To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: FW: Moishe Miller Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:03:08 +1000 Organization: Film World X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: moishe_miller@prusec.com X-Return-Path: Judy@filmworld.com.au SMTPOriginator: Judy@filmworld.com.au From: judy@filmworld.com.au Subject: FW: Moishe Miller PostedDate: 04/06/99 02:03:08 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: judy@filmworld.com.au $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/06/99 02:04:17 AM-04/06/99 02:04:22 AM,04/06/99 02:04:20 AM-04/06/99 02:04:21 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/06/99 02:04:21 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe Thanks for quick reply. I have sent you a copy of the whitepages telephone entries for Kipen in Melbourne I don't know any of these people . Are they family members ? Are they in your tree? Regards Your cousin Eileen -----Original Message----- From: Judy Tanner Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 1999 1:54 To: Eileen Naseby Subject: Moishe Miller Subject: Re: Your message re Langsam Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:00:17 -0400 From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: eileen@filmworld.com.au Hi, Thanks for your kind words. I see you listed in the book under L5.3.8.2 My branch is from L1, although most of it is not in the book. They did not know of me and my 6000 Miller cousins when they compiled the book. I have some major Langsam pages due out soon. I just received my draft copies back in the mail from a cousin in Maryland that was proofing it. Look for it in about a week. I will keep the partisan thing in mind. Good luck on that. Incidentally, do you know the Kipen family in Melbourne? Also, any other Langsam info you can provide, either within your immediate family, or extended even to Langsams not in the book, would be greatly appreciated. Your Cousin, -Moishe eileen@filmworld.com.au Tuesday April 6, 1999 Please respond to eileen@filmworld.com.au To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential cc: Subject: Your message re Langsam Dear Moishe How clever to try all those email addresses and succeed in getting through to me. I have had a look at your website and I was extremely impressed. My only information on Langsam comes from the family tree put together by Susan Wynne et al. But, while it is very broad reaching, I found yours easier to follow obviously because of its narrowness but also because there is more detail. For the first time I was able easily to go straight back to Pesach through Chaim Lieb. My grandmother was Cila Raff, her mother was Ethel Fish, Ethels father was Mendel Fish who was Miriam Langsam's son, My grandmother had a number of siblings. Some of whom are in the Fish and the Langsam.Spira family tree. However her father married twice and there were other siblings from the second marriage whose names we do not know. Cila had a brother who ended up in the USA . His name mayhave been Martin Raff. This is all very exciting and I shall keep watching your pages for more developments. Incidentally, despite my Irish name, I am a sabra born in Haifa in 1943 but lived most of my life in Australia. I am writing a novel at the moment and part of it is set in the forests of easter Poland during World War II. As you probably know there were a number of Jewish partisan camps and if you know of anybody who would help me with experiences of this time and place - I would be extremely grateful. Kind regards Eileen Naseby $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674B.000D9F11; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:28:46 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44350; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:29:08 -0400 Received: from hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15680 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:29:01 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.1) id WAA07471 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:26:20 -0400 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Additional family Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199904052226_MC2-70B0-AEE3@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Additional family PostedDate: 04/05/99 10:26:20 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 10:28:49 PM-04/05/99 10:28:50 PM,04/05/99 10:28:49 PM-04/05/99 10:28:50 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 10:28:50 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, What do you mean pro death penalty? For getting an http address wrong? Jesus you Americans are a blood thirsty lot. Us kikes have these old ten commandments and it says pretty clearly at about number Six thou shallt not kill. It's not up to us to make mistakes like that. It's sick and particularly in the States where there is such a brilliant tendency to identify the wrong criminals. On the other hand I have a respect for Marquis de Sade's dictum that killing should not be a state function (as it was in Germany - that's an interesting use of democratically elected, properly constututed law incorporating the death penalty) but should be done with passion. de Sade's argument was that something as important as killing should not be reduced to the legal banality equivalent to flushing a toilet, which is pretty much the Amerikan way of death. You have to remember that in countries without the First Ammendment right to carry weapons and kill anything you like, the rest of us on the planet don't admire everything American and some of us even think that along with McDonalds and the US Defense Department, the death penalty is an indication of the total abbrogation of world leadership that the US aspires to demonstrate. Polemic over. Sorry. You're not a Republican, too, are you? Langsam are generally communists and at the very least Labor Movement supporters. Always have been. Always will be. We ARE the Reds under your beds. I AM the Jewish Communist Octopus Conspiracy Plot to Take Over the Media and Government. (If we don't do it someone else will!) Hag Sameach! David ReturnReceipt: 0 $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674B.000D72E2; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:26:53 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA52980; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:27:13 -0400 Received: from mail.brainwaave.com.au ([203.27.206.176]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12202 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:27:15 -0400 Received: from eileen.filmworld [192.168.0.11] by filmworld.com.au [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.T) for ; Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:27:21 +1000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:34:04 +1000 Message-Id: <01BE8029.C19C1A00.eileen@filmworld.com.au> From: eileen@filmworld.com.au Reply-To: eileen@filmworld.com.au To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Your message re Langsam Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:34:00 +1000 Return-Receipt-To: Eileen Naseby Organization: FilmWorld X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 35 TEXT X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: moishe_miller@prusec.com X-Return-Path: Eileen@filmworld.com.au SMTPOriginator: Eileen@filmworld.com.au From: eileen@filmworld.com.au Subject: Your message re Langsam PostedDate: 04/05/99 10:34:00 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: eileen@filmworld.com.au $MessageStorage: 0 RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 10:26:59 PM-04/05/99 10:27:00 PM,04/05/99 10:26:57 PM-04/05/99 10:26:58 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 10:26:59 PM Categories: $Revisions: 04/05/99 10:26:57 PM $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential Dear Moishe How clever to try all those email addresses and succeed in getting through to me. I have had a look at your website and I was extremely impressed. My only information on Langsam comes from the family tree put together by Susan Wynne et al. But, while it is very broad reaching, I found yours easier to follow obviously because of its narrowness but also because there is more detail. For the first time I was able easily to go straight back to Pesach through Chaim Lieb. My grandmother was Cila Raff, her mother was Ethel Fish, Ethels father was Mendel Fish who was Miriam Langsam's son, My grandmother had a number of siblings. Some of whom are in the Fish and the Langsam.Spira family tree. However her father married twice and there were other siblings from the second marriage whose names we do not know. Cila had a brother who ended up in the USA . His name mayhave been Martin Raff. This is all very exciting and I shall keep watching your pages for more developments. Incidentally, despite my Irish name, I am a sabra born in Haifa in 1943 but lived most of my life in Australia. I am writing a novel at the moment and part of it is set in the forests of easter Poland during World War II. As you probably know there were a number of Jewish partisan camps and if you know of anybody who would help me with experiences of this time and place - I would be extremely grateful. Kind regards Eileen Naseby $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674B.0009AE51; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:45:44 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18134; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:46:05 -0400 Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15842 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:46:14 -0400 Received: from login3.fas.harvard.edu (IDENT:langsam@login3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.73]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id VAA21263; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by login3.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id VAA30206; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams In-Reply-To: <8525674B.000659B2.00@notes.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: langsam@fas.harvard.edu From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams PostedDate: 04/05/99 09:46:04 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 09:45:54 PM-04/05/99 09:45:55 PM,04/05/99 09:45:54 PM-04/05/99 09:45:55 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 09:45:55 PM Categories: $Revisions: i certainly do know other langsams. tell me what holes you have in the family tree, and i'll see if i can help (or maybe my father could). btw, is this a hobby for you? (you know, there is a book of this stuff that we have at home, it's a langsam-spira family tree book. it's very incomplete on my section of the family though). what do you do for a living? melissa ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "There's a silence, and she says, 'Listen here young lady. All that matters is what makes you happy.'" ---Liz Phair On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > I have a link at my site to this part of your family. It has more detail. > Check out: > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller//langsam/saul.htm > > Can you find any more info? Any pictures in a scanned format I can add to > the page? > Know any other Langsams? > > -Moishe > > > > langsam@fas.harvard.edu > Tuesday April 6, 1999 > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams > > > > > nathan and annette are my grandparents, he was a lawyer, and his parents > were david and rose. impressive that you have all this info. btw, my > grandmother was a social worker, college grad, early feminist, and a > really brilliant woman. > > > melissa > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "There's a silence, and she says, 'Listen here young lady. > All that matters is what makes you happy.'" ---Liz Phair > > > > On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > Was your grandfather Nathan a lawyer, married to Annette? Were his > parents > > David and Rose (nee Fruedenfall)? > > If not, can you supply some timeframe and where David Mordechai lived > > exactly? When he died? How old? Siblings? Do you have any other Langsam > > connections I might tap into, even if you do not know how they a re > > related? > > Thanks for your swift response! > > -Moishe > > > > > > > > langsam@fas.harvard.edu > > Monday April 5, 1999 06:03 PM > > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams > > > > > > > > > > my name is melissa langsam. i am daughter of david edward langsam, son of > > nathan langsam, son of david mordechai langsam. i don't know the name of > > that david's father. all of the above mentioned generations have lived in > > america. it is through them that i fit into the langsam family tree. > > > > curious you didn't get our illustrious last name. it always makes for a > > good laugh when you're with germans... > > > > > > melissa > > > > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > "There's a silence, and she says, 'Listen here young > lady. > > All that matters is what makes you happy.'" ---Liz > Phair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674B.00028896; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:27:40 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14688; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:28:01 -0400 Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA35440 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:28:10 -0400 Received: from login3.fas.harvard.edu (IDENT:langsam@login3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.73]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id UAA27711; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by login3.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id UAA18000; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams In-Reply-To: <8525674A.00800604.00@notes.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: langsam@fas.harvard.edu From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams PostedDate: 04/05/99 08:27:59 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 08:27:47 PM-04/05/99 08:27:47 PM,04/05/99 08:27:46 PM-04/05/99 08:27:48 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 08:27:48 PM Categories: $Revisions: nathan and annette are my grandparents, he was a lawyer, and his parents were david and rose. impressive that you have all this info. btw, my grandmother was a social worker, college grad, early feminist, and a really brilliant woman. melissa ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "There's a silence, and she says, 'Listen here young lady. All that matters is what makes you happy.'" ---Liz Phair On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > Was your grandfather Nathan a lawyer, married to Annette? Were his parents > David and Rose (nee Fruedenfall)? > If not, can you supply some timeframe and where David Mordechai lived > exactly? When he died? How old? Siblings? Do you have any other Langsam > connections I might tap into, even if you do not know how they a re > related? > Thanks for your swift response! > -Moishe > > > > langsam@fas.harvard.edu > Monday April 5, 1999 06:03 PM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams > > > > > my name is melissa langsam. i am daughter of david edward langsam, son of > nathan langsam, son of david mordechai langsam. i don't know the name of > that david's father. all of the above mentioned generations have lived in > america. it is through them that i fit into the langsam family tree. > > curious you didn't get our illustrious last name. it always makes for a > good laugh when you're with germans... > > > melissa > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "There's a silence, and she says, 'Listen here young lady. > All that matters is what makes you happy.'" ---Liz Phair > > > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674A.00792EE6; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:03:38 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11482; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:03:59 -0400 Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA35250 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:04:08 -0400 Received: from login3.fas.harvard.edu (IDENT:langsam@login3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.73]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id SAA28908; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by login3.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id SAA15090; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams In-Reply-To: <8525674A.0077C905.00@notes.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: langsam@fas.harvard.edu From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams PostedDate: 04/05/99 06:03:58 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 06:03:44 PM-04/05/99 06:04:06 PM,04/05/99 06:04:05 PM-04/05/99 06:08:35 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 06:08:35 PM Categories: $Revisions: my name is melissa langsam. i am daughter of david edward langsam, son of nathan langsam, son of david mordechai langsam. i don't know the name of that david's father. all of the above mentioned generations have lived in america. it is through them that i fit into the langsam family tree. curious you didn't get our illustrious last name. it always makes for a good laugh when you're with germans... melissa ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "There's a silence, and she says, 'Listen here young lady. All that matters is what makes you happy.'" ---Liz Phair $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674A.007715C1; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:40:43 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22424; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:41:04 -0400 Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA86946 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:41:13 -0400 Received: from login3.fas.harvard.edu (IDENT:langsam@login3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.73]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id RAA10605; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by login3.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id RAA22509; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:41:01 -0400 (EDT) From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams In-Reply-To: <8525674A.00769B19.00@notes.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: langsam@fas.harvard.edu From: langsam@fas.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Pesach & Langsams PostedDate: 04/05/99 05:41:01 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 05:40:44 PM-04/05/99 05:40:45 PM,04/05/99 05:40:45 PM-04/05/99 05:40:46 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 05:40:46 PM Categories: $Revisions: hi there-- before i give you details, do you mind if i ask who you are and why you're asking? are you a langsam through your mother? putting together a family tree? melissa langsam ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "There's a silence, and she says, 'Listen here young lady. All that matters is what makes you happy.'" ---Liz Phair On Mon, 5 Apr 1999 moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Dear Ms.Langsam, > Would it be possible to tell me a little about your family history and > where you "fit" in the scope of things? > Thanks! > -Moishe > moishe_miller@prusec.com > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > > > ---------------------- Forwarded by Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential on > 04/05/99 05:33 PM --------------------------- > > DingoNet@compuserve.com > Monday March 29, 1999 05:19 AM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Pesach & Langsams > > > > > Ahhh Moishe, you bloody geneologist! > > I knew that if I included you on my email list of good wishes it would > never be the end of it!!! > > dmlangsa @email.uncc.edu > is Deborah Langsam a teacher we have had some minimal communication. > > mlangsam @surfer.xti.com > is Marc an LA graphic artist about my age (45) with his own website. We > have emailed each other a few times > > langsam @fas.harvard.edu > is Melissa Rose Langsam who I think is a daughter of Oscar of Rehovot > Isrtael and an undergarduate at Harvard who is unfortunately proud of > being a Republican, which I discovered in her last email to me and having > said what I think of Republicans may never wrote to me again. > > By the way, I now have a family and geneology page added to my site with a > link to yours. > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dingonet > > go to the bottom of the page and follow the links. > > bestest regards for Pesach, > > David > > > The REAL Langsam are all Communists Socialists Bundists and Labor movement > supporters, apart from my cousin Allan, who is a very nice guy but has > strayed from the flock. > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674A.005D7C28; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:01:06 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA55118; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:01:27 -0400 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA59382 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:01:36 -0400 Received: from erols.com (209-122-216-169.s169.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.216.169]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id NAA21543 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3708EBBF.F27FBC13@erols.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:58:39 -0400 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: website edit References: <8525674A.00512DEA.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: website edit PostedDate: 04/05/99 12:58:39 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 01:01:08 PM-04/05/99 01:01:09 PM,04/05/99 01:01:08 PM-04/05/99 01:01:09 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 01:01:09 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Oh quite contrare! I am happy you used red, all the better for me to see it > (which I think is always the intent). Thanks for taking the time! I look > forward to it. > -Moishe > > srwynne@erols.com > Friday April 2, 1999 08:46 AM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: website edit > > Moishe, > > I spent a good part of the weekend in bed recovering from a virus which > causes laryngitis and cold-like symptoms. I had hoped to focus on the H > section...actually entering data into FTM, but I just couldn't muster up that > much energy or focus. I found myself going back to Unbroken Chain by Neil > Rosenstein and a book on Hasidic leaders by Harry Rabinowicz. I haven't been > through Neil's book for a long time and I found that he has a number of L3 > individuals we don't have...mainly people who married into other Hasidic > families. I have marked them in the book in yellow, forgetting that they > won't xerox well in yellow. When I get past the H problem and get all my L5 > folks entered (including Hilda's huge family), I will take a crack at adding > in the additional folks in L3. I was particularly interested in tracking which Hasidic lines were in the Lesko area very early in the Hasidic movement. I think that the Langsams had a presence in Lesko and surrounding towns within a few years of the name adoption so maybe by 1795 or 1800 someone from the family was in that area. Why? Perhaps for reasons related to Hasidism, perhaps because of an arranged marriage. We'll never know for sure. That's where the Grumets seem to have come from and perhaps that's the connection. I clearly need to spend some time trying to contact living members of families from that general area. Suzan > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674A.005B6F4B; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:38:42 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27824; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:39:04 -0400 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA54756 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:39:12 -0400 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa16743; 5 Apr 99 9:33 PDT To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: DNS Entry? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:28:24 EDT." <8525674A.005A7F0F.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:33:25 -0700 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9904050933.aa16743@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: DNS Entry? PostedDate: 04/05/99 12:33:25 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 12:38:49 PM-04/05/99 12:38:50 PM,04/05/99 12:38:50 PM-04/05/99 12:38:50 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 12:38:50 PM Categories: $Revisions: > Would you know if it is possible to obtain (through Inter-NIC) > www.langsam.com pointing to the homepage at: > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm I'd think that you can get www.langsam.com to be equivalent to some other machine's base address, but not to a sub-address within that other machine. Of course, if you own that other machine, you can arrange for it to point to (or be equivalent to) a sub-address on another machine. Chag Sameach, Dan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525674A.001890DB; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:28:19 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA46450; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:28:39 -0400 Received: from hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (ah-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.217.154]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA59262 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:28:48 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpamgaaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.1) id AAA15416 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 00:27:47 -0400 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Additional family Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199904050028_MC2-7090-EF98@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Additional family PostedDate: 04/05/99 12:27:47 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/05/99 12:28:24 AM-04/05/99 12:28:25 AM,04/05/99 12:28:24 AM-04/05/99 12:28:25 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 12:28:25 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, I have just spoken to Leonard Kipen (kipen@mira.net) who says he hasn't received any mail about the family, but seemed vaguley interested and said he woul;d go look at your site. He is a cousin to Aviva Kipen who I went to school with and has become a Liberal (Reform) Rabbi. So a connection was made there. I can't find Eileen Naseby, at all, but will try next time I'm on the net. Good Luck. Hag Sameach Pesach etc David ( $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256747.004BD466; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:15 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17088; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:32 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA87358 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:41 -0500 Received: from erols.com (209-122-214-153.s407.tnt3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.214.153]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id IAA26358 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:48:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3704CA24.12E719E4@erols.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:46:12 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: website edit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: website edit PostedDate: 04/02/99 08:46:12 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 04/02/99 08:48:20 AM-04/02/99 08:48:20 AM,04/02/99 08:48:17 AM-04/02/99 08:48:17 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 04/02/99 08:48:17 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, Well, another giant Seder is over for another year. This year it was 30 local family members. I'm thinking that this may be my last for a while. Too much work. I managed to find an hour yesterday to do an edit on your website sheets and will return them today. I hope that you find my notes helpful....they are not intended to be critical though I did use a red pen and for some people that's already critical. Chag Sameach. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256744.00544C84; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:20:46 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20758; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:20:58 -0500 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26160 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:21:03 -0500 Received: from netvision (RAS6-p48.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.163.176]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA04162 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:20:51 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990330180326.0094a100@mail.netvision.net.il> X-Sender: lionsden@mail.netvision.net.il X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:03:26 +0300 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM In-Reply-To: <85256743.0070FE9D.00@notes.prusec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SMTPOriginator: lionsden@netvision.net.il From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM PostedDate: 03/30/99 10:03:26 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/31/99 03:57:49 PM-03/31/99 03:57:51 PM,03/31/99 03:57:50 PM-03/31/99 03:57:56 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/31/99 03:57:56 PM Categories: $Revisions: Sorry, I have no idea. I have NEVER been in touch with them. These names were given to me by a 3rd party. You might try to contact Abraham Josefovics (not sure if this is the correct spelling, He may go by Avram Ber). I think he lives in Brooklyn (Boro Park, Crown Heights). The last telephone number I had for him was 718-384-4446. If he can't help you, I don't know who else can. Good luck. At 03:34 PM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >Is Bracha Meisner, daughter of Yisrael Meisner and Hinda Josefovics, still >alive? Any children I can contact? Or have you lost all contact from that >family? >-Moishe > > > >lionsden@netvision.net.il >Monday March 29, 1999 02:54 PM >To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >cc: >Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM > > > > >Unfortunately, I do not know who to refer you to. If I come across a name >that can help you, I will forward it along. > >Meyer Denn > >At 05:16 PM 3/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Thanks for your reply. Do you have anybody I can contact to speak with >>regarding this trail? >>-Moishe >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256743.0038CB86; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:20:21 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA56364; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:20:33 -0500 Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com (hil-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.132]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA48852 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:20:41 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id FAA06555 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:20:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:19:35 -0500 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Pesach & Langsams Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199903290519_MC2-6FC9-5F36@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Pesach & Langsams PostedDate: 03/29/99 05:19:35 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/31/99 01:49:11 PM-03/31/99 01:49:12 PM,03/31/99 01:49:10 PM-03/31/99 01:49:11 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/31/99 01:49:11 PM Categories: $Revisions: Ahhh Moishe, you bloody geneologist! I knew that if I included you on my email list of good wishes it would never be the end of it!!! dmlangsa @email.uncc.edu is Deborah Langsam a teacher we have had some minimal communication. mlangsam @surfer.xti.com is Marc an LA graphic artist about my age (45) with his own website. We have emailed each other a few times langsam @fas.harvard.edu is Melissa Rose Langsam who I think is a daughter of Oscar of Rehovot Isrtael and an undergarduate at Harvard who is unfortunately proud of being a Republican, which I discovered in her last email to me and having said what I think of Republicans may never wrote to me again. By the way, I now have a family and geneology page added to my site with a link to yours. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dingonet go to the bottom of the page and follow the links. bestest regards for Pesach, David The REAL Langsam are all Communists Socialists Bundists and Labor movement supporters, apart from my cousin Allan, who is a very nice guy but has strayed from the flock. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256743.006D9AF0; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:57:10 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA54520; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:57:22 -0500 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA55666 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:57:28 -0500 Received: from netvision (RAS6-p61.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.163.189]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA21919 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:57:16 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990329225445.00984970@mail.netvision.net.il> X-Sender: lionsden@mail.netvision.net.il X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:54:45 +0300 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM In-Reply-To: <85256742.007A60FC.00@notes.prusec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SMTPOriginator: lionsden@netvision.net.il From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM PostedDate: 03/29/99 02:54:45 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/29/99 02:57:18 PM-03/29/99 02:57:19 PM,03/29/99 02:57:15 PM-03/29/99 02:57:17 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/29/99 02:57:17 PM Categories: $Revisions: Unfortunately, I do not know who to refer you to. If I come across a name that can help you, I will forward it along. Meyer Denn At 05:16 PM 3/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >Thanks for your reply. Do you have anybody I can contact to speak with >regarding this trail? >-Moishe > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256743.005084D3; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:39:28 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10642; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:39:40 -0500 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA54714 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:39:48 -0500 From: EGuzik1@aol.com Received: from EGuzik1@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 8WVMa13699 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:33:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:33:06 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 SMTPOriginator: EGuzik1@aol.com From: EGuzik1@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam PostedDate: 03/29/99 09:33:06 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/29/99 09:39:30 AM-03/29/99 09:39:31 AM,03/29/99 09:39:27 AM-03/29/99 09:39:29 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/29/99 09:39:29 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hi Moishe, I was one of the contributors to Susan Wynne's book. So if you have Chaim Efraim Shmiel Langsam, than you have part of my family. Chaim's wife, Miriam Landesman Langsam was my great grandfather's sister. I'll try to look at your site but I'm swamped right now with preparations for Pesach and the 19th Annual Conference on Jewish Genealogy, Aug 8-13, 1999, which we are hosting in NYC. Hope you will come! Have a good Pesach, Estelle Guzik $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256742.006A3160; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:19:54 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23384; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:20:06 -0500 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA56642 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:20:14 -0500 Received: from netvision (RAS1-p102.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.161.102]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA27254 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:20:01 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990328124232.009141e0@mail.netvision.net.il> X-Sender: lionsden@mail.netvision.net.il X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:42:32 +0300 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM In-Reply-To: <85256740.0064937D.00@notes.prusec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SMTPOriginator: lionsden@netvision.net.il From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM PostedDate: 03/28/99 04:42:32 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/28/99 02:19:57 PM-03/28/99 02:19:57 PM,03/28/99 02:19:55 PM-03/28/99 02:19:56 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/28/99 02:19:56 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moish, Sorry I cannot be more helpful. The only thing that I know is that Tzvi Elimelech's mother-in-law was from Kishkorish, Hungary. I am not sure where they live. I have never met the Langsams, but they must be fairly young people since her grandfather was born in 1897 and died in 1965. Good luck, and a chag kasher v'sameach, Meyer Denn At 01:18 PM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >Thanks for your reply. Can you supply any more detail. Is Tzvi Elimelech >Langsam still living? Can you put me in touch with this family? When and >where did this family originally come from in Europe? >-Moishe >moishe_miller@prusec.com > > > >lionsden@netvision.net.il >Tuesday March 23, 1999 04:04 PM >To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >cc: >Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM > > > > >Hi Moishe, > >I am not at all sure if we are related. All I can tell you is that one of >my cousins, Bracha Meisner, daughetr of Yisrael Meisner and Hinda >Josefovics was married to Tzvi Elimelech Langsam. Can you suggest a >relationship? > >Best wishes, > >Meyer Denn > >At 05:26 PM 3/22/99 -0600, you wrote: >>------------------------------------------------------- >>From : Moishe Miller moishe_miller@prusec.com >>Address : 1374 East 28th Street >>Brooklyn, NY >>11210-5311 >>Phone : 212 214 3580 >>Remote Computer : 199.95.197.66 >>To : Meyer Denn, lionsden@netvision.net.il >>Subject : Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM >>======================================================= >>Hi, >>I have a family tree website that covers the Langsam's. Please tell me how >we might be related. How far back do you know on your tree? You can view >the Langsam homesite at >>http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/homelang.htm >>or my actual homepage where there are all sorts of links at: >>http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm >> >>Thanks! >>-Moishe Miller >>moishe_miller@prusec.com >>======================================================= >>Email posted from Family Tree of the Jewish People >> >> > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673D.0076457C; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:31:50 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31036; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:32:02 -0500 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA48822 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:32:08 -0500 Received: from netvision (RAS3-p44.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.162.44]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA14938 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:28:02 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990323230432.00937d80@mail.netvision.net.il> X-Sender: lionsden@mail.netvision.net.il X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:04:32 +0200 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM In-Reply-To: <19990322172639.e0b7ef00d67d11d2a3d700104b7910e4.in@mail.je wishgen.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SMTPOriginator: lionsden@netvision.net.il From: lionsden@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM PostedDate: 03/23/99 04:04:32 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/23/99 04:31:52 PM-03/23/99 04:31:53 PM,03/23/99 04:31:50 PM-03/23/99 04:35:05 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/23/99 04:35:05 PM Categories: $Revisions: Hi Moishe, I am not at all sure if we are related. All I can tell you is that one of my cousins, Bracha Meisner, daughetr of Yisrael Meisner and Hinda Josefovics was married to Tzvi Elimelech Langsam. Can you suggest a relationship? Best wishes, Meyer Denn At 05:26 PM 3/22/99 -0600, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------- >From : Moishe Miller moishe_miller@prusec.com >Address : 1374 East 28th Street >Brooklyn, NY >11210-5311 >Phone : 212 214 3580 >Remote Computer : 199.95.197.66 >To : Meyer Denn, lionsden@netvision.net.il >Subject : Family Tree of the Jewish People: Tzvi Elimelech LANGSAM >======================================================= >Hi, >I have a family tree website that covers the Langsam's. Please tell me how we might be related. How far back do you know on your tree? You can view the Langsam homesite at >http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/homelang.htm >or my actual homepage where there are all sorts of links at: >http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > >Thanks! >-Moishe Miller >moishe_miller@prusec.com >======================================================= >Email posted from Family Tree of the Jewish People > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673D.006614D5; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:35:00 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28516; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:35:12 -0500 Received: from squeak.ascinet.com (squeak.ascinet.com [206.152.227.25]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17674 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:35:20 -0500 Received: from Phyllis (r1ppp17.ascinet.com [206.152.227.145]) by squeak.ascinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00446 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:39:26 -0500 Message-Id: <000901be755a$ee9fa960$0400a8c0@Phyllis> From: phyllis@ivesearch.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: pesach langsam Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:28:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 SMTPOriginator: phyllis@ivesearch.com From: phyllis@ivesearch.com Subject: Re: pesach langsam PostedDate: 03/23/99 01:28:22 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/23/99 01:35:00 PM-03/23/99 01:35:00 PM,03/23/99 01:34:58 PM-03/23/99 01:34:58 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/23/99 01:34:59 PM Categories: $Revisions: to your other request it has been many yrs. I don't remember mtg. any of their relatives but again I was the youngest grandchild all my cousins were 15+yrs. older than I. -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: phyllis@ivesearch.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:40 PM Subject: Re: pesach langsam >Hi, >Please forgive me but I would like a slight recap. Your lineage from your >father is >Paul (Pesach), son of Nathan, son of Ephraim. Can you verify that I have it >right? >Also, before the US, where did they live? When did they come? Any siblings >for Nathan? >Thanks for your cooperation, >-Moishe >moishe_miller@prusec.com > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673D.0065E988; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:33:09 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23574; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:33:20 -0500 Received: from squeak.ascinet.com (squeak.ascinet.com [206.152.227.25]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA63548 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:33:24 -0500 Received: from Phyllis (r1ppp17.ascinet.com [206.152.227.145]) by squeak.ascinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00359 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:37:29 -0500 Message-Id: <000401be755a$a96aae80$0400a8c0@Phyllis> From: phyllis@ivesearch.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:26:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 SMTPOriginator: phyllis@ivesearch.com From: phyllis@ivesearch.com Subject: Re: Langsam PostedDate: 03/23/99 01:26:25 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/23/99 01:33:17 PM-03/23/99 01:33:18 PM,03/23/99 01:33:16 PM-03/23/99 01:33:18 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/23/99 01:33:18 PM Categories: $Revisions: I haven't spoken to Herbert Langsam in a while say hi from me his address and I believe it was he who sent me the book. address 2319 NW 59th St. Oklahoma City Okla 73112 405-842-7502. His brother Ralph 3694 Dijon Way, West Palm Beach Fl.33410 say hi as well phone # 561-624-4649 hope these help you on your quest for info. -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: phyllis@ivesearch.com Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 10:02 AM Subject: Langsam >Hi, >In the interim, while you wait to move and unpack, do you think I might be >able to contact a few people? Perhaps the cousin who actually gave you the >book in question? Also, what about Ralph or Herbert? Either of them or >their kids genealogically inclined? >Thanks! >-Moishe >moishe_miller@prusec.com > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673D.006040EB; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:31:20 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47242; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:31:33 -0500 Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [206.80.6.147]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA69654 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:31:34 -0500 Received: from rama (pm3-14.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.14]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA08400 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:31:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990323092532.00829580@mail.well.com> X-Sender: rama@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:25:32 -0800 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: rama@palmpictures.com Subject: Langsam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SMTPOriginator: rama@palmpictures.com From: rama@palmpictures.com Subject: Langsam PostedDate: 03/23/99 12:25:32 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/23/99 12:31:22 PM-03/23/99 12:31:23 PM,03/23/99 12:31:20 PM-03/23/99 12:31:22 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/23/99 12:31:22 PM Categories: $Revisions: >Charna Langsam was my great-great grandmother. She married my great-great >grandfather, Simon Rosenbach. They both died in Przmysl, Poland. Charna >died in 1939. Unfortunately, that is the extent of my knowledge of her. I >look forward to hearing how we are related and any more information you have >about her or her siblings. > >Thanks, > >Rama Dunayevich >---------- > >>>From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >>>X-Lotus-Fromdomain: PRUDENTIAL >>>To: qcjack@telecomm.tadiran.co.il, rama@mail.well.com >>>Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:58:08 -0500 >>>Subject: Langsam >>> >>>Hi, >>>Yedidya Langsam passed on your email's to me. I would like to try and >>>follow up, or at the very least get your permission to post your email to >>>my website.It is at >>>http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm >>>The Langsam portion is at >>>http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm >>>Would you be able to tell me the highest generation you know, where/when >>>born, where died, known children, and grandchildren? >>> >>>Thank you in advance for any effort you can make on this, >>>-Moishe Miller >>>moishe_miller@prusec.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>Rama Dunayevich >>Palm Pictures/Manga Entertainment, Inc. >>rama@palmpictures.com >>http://www.palmpictures.com >> >> >> > > Rama Dunayevich Palm Pictures/Manga Entertainment, Inc. rama@palmpictures.com http://www.palmpictures.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673D.004B6117; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:43:20 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26538; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:43:34 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA79498 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:43:40 -0500 Received: from erols.com (209-122-246-246.s627.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.246.246]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29639 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:43:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36F79A2C.CA693F10@erols.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:42:04 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: L2/4 and H References: <8525673C.007E14CD.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: L2/4 and H PostedDate: 03/23/99 08:42:04 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/23/99 08:43:25 AM-03/23/99 08:54:41 AM,03/23/99 08:54:40 AM-03/23/99 08:55:04 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/23/99 08:55:04 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > I spoke with both of you recently and based on our conversations, I > amupdating the website and would like your agreement on two points.L2 and L4 > will be reorganizedWe will list the progenitor as "Efraim Shmuel/David. While > there is some > dispute amongst family members as to the actual name of their progenitor,it > is agreed that they are from one branch." I will list the only known child > as Pesach, married three times, first toFayga (not from L3), then Beila, then > Sara Miriam Tscherlit. Moishe, I'm with you up to the point of the names of the wives. The only name known, as far as I know, is Sara Miriam Tscherlit and that came from Chaim's death certificate. The first two wives were given the names of the women I found in Tyczyn records and they refer to another Pesach. Unless a family member knows the names of L2/4 wives, I'd just give them numbers 1 and 2. > I will list Pesach's children as: R' Shimon, Nacha, R' Sholem, R' Meir, Ita > Adest, & Chaim Efraim Shmuel I recall that Nacha (probably should be Necha) came from a letter that Michael Cohen got from one of the men in Suffolk County. I don't have time right now to dig out the letters. > Also, who was the source of Nacha being a child of R' Meir (L2.2)? Is one a > typo? We have no subsequent info for either. Can't help with this one. > I would like to continue to refer to Michael Cohen's branch in our > correspondence as L4 for now. It makes for less confusion I think. I agree. > Now for the H thing.I am adding all broken pieces to the website. Moishe, I think this is very premature and will add to the confusion. I am involved in a very crazy time crunch right now and will be unable to get back to data entry or research for at least two months. In addition to the two weddings, I am trying to open a mental health center in early May and have a million other things going on with the family business. Just don't have time to focus on the H problem but it is mostly on very large pieces of paper waiting to be entered into FTM. I have to figure out how to export the old data into the new (I see that FTM just released a new version and I haven't even gotten this version up and running yet). And, that, too, will take time to sort out. I'm very overcommitted right now. Please hold on. > I would like to have uniformity and continuity and would like to continue > with our naming convention. I agree that there should be uniformity and continuity but, unfortunately, some of our relatives didn't agree and spelled their first names in all sorts of ways. I think we should use the names the way they came to us, either from descendants or records. Otherwise, we will offend some people.. > The book ends at H63. Suzan, you have been looking at H data the most. Can > you send me all new H data, or enhanced H1-63 data? I have a few new branches but then I also have collapsed a number of branches. I am reorganizing the whole section by geographic area of origin...we will end up with clusters from Sienawa, Jawornik-Tyczyn, Ustrzyki Dolne-Lesko, and so on. When I have little pieces that I collected from records and have no other corroborating information, I will group them in a sub section. Ultimately, these groupings may make it easier for people to recognize their branches and certainly will help us conceptualize the pieces of the family. I literally took copies of the book and cut them up and laid them out on my big paper to begin sorting out...then I added the information from notes, letters, records, etc. When the material is entered, the numbering will be very different. We still haven't quite sorted out what we're going to do with the Ksiel line...or have we? Moishe, remind me what your understanding is from our last discussion. > For newdata, please tag it as H64, H65, etc. I propose that H64 be the new > Pesach > branch that we detached from L2, not an "L" branch as we do not know if > this Pesach was a child or grandchild, or other (until we find an actual > family member to stake a claim. Yet another reason to post it to the 'net). > I have several "new" H branches on the website, as yet untaged. Yediya, I > know you gave me a slim packet of pages, some handwritten, some email > copies. Is that your total new "H" section? > In this fashion, I will post all H64+ data and we will have a common ground > of reference, as well as "bait" for newly found family members on the 'net. > An unknown member of the Spinrad tree I showed you just found me through > the net. For email based data, you can just forward the email itself. > I would suggest posting new information, particularly when the surnames are not Langsam. The numbers of the branches don't matter at this point. I would suggest not posting information about the Langsams from Warsaw. There is no evidence that this family was in any way related to us. I have a pretty good sized tree from this family but absolutely no linkage information. But, Spinrad and other families that appear to have name patterns like ours or came from the same regions...sure, why not. > > Any objections? > -Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673D.00122E7B; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:18:35 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA50280; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:18:48 -0500 Received: from mcfs.whowhere.com (mcfs.whowhere.com [209.1.236.44]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA17808 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:18:56 -0500 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by angelfire.com; Mon Mar 22 19:18:13 1999 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:18:13 -0800 From: elil@angelfire.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Iam sorry X-Sender-Ip: 203.24.205.17 Organization: Angelfire (http://email.angelfire.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: elil@angelfire.com From: elil@angelfire.com Subject: Iam sorry PostedDate: 03/22/99 10:18:13 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/22/99 10:18:46 PM-03/22/99 10:18:47 PM,03/22/99 10:18:44 PM-03/22/99 10:18:45 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/22/99 10:18:45 PM Categories: $Revisions: my name islangsam but i have no family relation to any one on you`r list. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673D.0011144F; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:06:33 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA51234; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:06:46 -0500 Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15290 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:06:54 -0500 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA20076; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:06:44 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: jives@concentric.net Received: from tig-cc (ts017d46.pri-nj.concentric.net [207.155.130.106]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA03671; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:06:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36F704F3.5CBE@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:05:23 -0500 From: jives@concentric.net Reply-To: jives@concentric.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Phyllis LANGSAM References: <19990322172554.e0b7eefed67d11d2a3d700104b7910e4.in@mail.jewishgen.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: jives@concentric.net From: jives@concentric.net Subject: Re: Family Tree of the Jewish People: Phyllis LANGSAM PostedDate: 03/22/99 10:05:23 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: jives@concentric.net $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/22/99 10:06:40 PM-03/22/99 10:06:41 PM,03/22/99 10:06:38 PM-03/22/99 10:06:38 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/22/99 10:06:38 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe Miller wrote: > ----------------------------- Moishe: I passed your message on to my sister-in-law Phyllis who lives in Ohio. She is not involved in genealogy. Joel Ives $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673C.006E113E; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:02:13 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA50428; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:02:27 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA43896 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:02:35 -0500 From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Received: from MISSAQUE@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 8OQa004981 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:52:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:52:53 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 SMTPOriginator: MISSAQUE@aol.com From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam PostedDate: 03/22/99 02:52:53 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/22/99 03:02:26 PM-03/22/99 03:02:27 PM,03/22/99 03:02:25 PM-03/22/99 03:02:25 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/22/99 03:02:25 PM Categories: $Revisions: I do not know my grandmothers mother or fathers name..but the children's names you have are my grandparents children...I cannot get to your web site ... please keep in touch and how did u come up with this information...I may be talking to my uncle louie this week will let u know... $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673C.0022DA8D; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:20:41 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18494; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:19:05 -0500 Received: from P1 (www.contel.co.il [192.117.232.30]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21538 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:18:50 -0500 Received: from p1.isdn.net.il - 192.115.104.11 by isdn.net.il with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:17:50 +0200 Received: from (pri1144.isdn.net.il [192.115.106.144]) by p1.isdn.net.il with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:14:27 +0200 Message-Id: <4.1.19990322081052.00974ed0@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: peteyur@mail.isdn.net.il X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:13:53 +0200 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: peteyur@isdn.net.il Subject: Re: Langsam In-Reply-To: <8525673B.00522EE3.00@notes.prusec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_3733712==_" $FILE: $FILE: SMTPOriginator: peteyur@isdn.net.il From: peteyur@isdn.net.il Subject: Re: Langsam PostedDate: 03/22/99 01:13:53 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/22/99 01:20:57 AM-03/22/99 01:20:58 AM,03/22/99 01:20:56 AM-03/22/99 01:20:57 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/22/99 01:20:57 AM Categories: $Revisions: At 09:57 AM 3/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, Hi back. >Mazel Tov! Thank you. You too (you're also related) How was the wedding. Very nice Any pictures you can email? Not yet Do you have an address for Dov? Rechov Emek Hachulah 43/6 Modiin >Also, are you able (perhaps using the hebrew part of the web) to find all >Langsam's residing in Israel? I heard Bezeq has an online inquiry system. >If so, can you tell me where it is? If it is only Hebrew can you access it >and print it out and mail it? >Langsam in Hebrew is spelled several ways. >Lamed-Nun-Gimmel-Zayin-Mem >Lamed-Nun-Gimmel-Samech-Mem >Lamed-Nun-Gimmel-Zayin-Alef-Mem >Lamed-Nun-Gimmel-Samech-Alef-Mem > >The first two are most common. >Thanks! >-Moishe > > Attached files. Have fun - pinsker2.TIF - pinsker1.tif $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525673C.0006A602; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:12:37 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12424; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:12:51 -0500 Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA41562 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:12:58 -0500 From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Received: from MISSAQUE@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv19.3) id 8BWVa24800 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:11:27 +1900 (EST) Message-Id: <3b34f99f.36f598bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:11:27 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 SMTPOriginator: MISSAQUE@aol.com From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Subject: Re: Esther Feldmna nee Langsam PostedDate: 03/21/99 08:11:27 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/21/99 08:12:43 PM-03/21/99 08:12:44 PM,03/21/99 08:12:42 PM-03/21/99 08:12:43 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/21/99 08:12:43 PM Categories: $Revisions: I believe you are correct $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256736.000DDB35; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:31:20 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30664; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:31:35 -0500 Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA48670 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:31:41 -0500 Received: from clovis - 208.253.13.147 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:31:04 -0800 Message-Id: <002701be6f56$4903a9c0$930dfdd0@clovis> From: naomi-g@email.msn.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:39:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 SMTPOriginator: naomi-g@email.msn.com From: naomi-g@email.msn.com Subject: Re: Langsam PostedDate: 03/15/99 09:39:55 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/15/99 09:31:21 PM-03/15/99 09:31:22 PM,03/15/99 09:31:19 PM-03/15/99 11:40:56 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/15/99 11:40:56 PM Categories: $Revisions: We're not anywhere in particular yet. You'll hear. -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: naomi-g@email.msn.com Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Langsam Hi, Wanted to touch base again. I know you were in contact with Suzan Wynne at some point. I just wanted to flesh out what part of the tree you come from. Can you target the two oldest generations of "Langsam" that you are aware of? Thanks! -Moishe moishe_miller@prusec.com naomi-g@email.msn.com Sunday January 3, 1999 12:17 PM To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential cc: Subject: Langsam Funny you should ask. My great-aunt Ethel Blau passed away last Monday at 95. On Wednesday her remaining sister, Nedra Glasser, 84; Nedra's daughter, Abbe; and I buried her at Mt. Hebron in Queens. (Unfortunately it was the coldest day of the week and had a biting wind to boot so it was a short ceremony.) While we were there Abbe and I visited the office to see which other family graves are in that cemetery and came up with quite a few in the Bnei Joseph Degel area of Block 11, Path 14, Section 6. I imagine that you have been there. Seeing so many Blaus, Dillers and Langsams side by side makes me think that there probably is a real connection, but Nedra, 84, does not really know what it is. Anyway, what we particularly noted was the grave of a Gitel Blau. Gitel is Nedra's middle name. I saw from your website that the name also occurs in the Langsam family. Abbe and I plan to return in the spring when it is warmer. Do you have any information to share on Bnei Joseph Degel? Thanks for keeping in touch! Naomi $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256734.005ECC9B; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:15:27 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12952; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:15:42 -0500 Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA86374 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:15:49 -0500 Received: (from rachelp1@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5PGSZ7K; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:14:52 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:13:50 -0500 Subject: Langsam Message-Id: <19990314.121351.-897763.0.Rachelp1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2 X-Juno-Att: 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rachelp1@juno.com SMTPOriginator: rachelp1@juno.com From: rachelp1@juno.com Subject: Langsam PostedDate: 03/14/99 12:13:50 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/14/99 12:15:30 PM-03/14/99 12:15:31 PM,03/14/99 12:15:29 PM-03/14/99 12:15:30 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/14/99 12:15:30 PM Categories: $Revisions: I have been told that the Dayan in our shul, Shulem Pesach Langsam is a nephew of the Bnei Yissochur and has information about his ancestors. His telephone #854-0312 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256734.002B481E; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:52:45 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38258; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:52:59 -0500 Received: from storm.twcol.com (storm.twcol.com [204.210.251.99]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA87564 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:53:06 -0500 Received: from hw0mf (gah227073.columbus.rr.com [204.210.227.73]) by storm.twcol.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA23143 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:57:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <010e01be6def$54b4d0e0$49e3d2cc@hw0mf.columbus.rr.com> From: mpolster@columbus.rr.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Your site Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 02:28:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 SMTPOriginator: mpolster@columbus.rr.com From: mpolster@columbus.rr.com Subject: Re: Your site PostedDate: 03/14/99 02:28:15 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/14/99 02:52:45 AM-03/14/99 09:36:35 AM,03/14/99 09:36:34 AM-03/14/99 09:37:18 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/14/99 09:37:18 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hi Moishe, Thanks for the image recipe, comments on my site, and other information. See answers to your questions embedded below. Best regards, Marc Visit our home page at http://home.columbus.rr.com/thepolsters >Do you know Louie Schonfeld? Are you related to him? (I am). Yes, Louis and I work together closely on the H-SIG project. He is the leader and I am the webmaster. Your site is linked to ours; that's how I found your site. Louis and I, like many others from that region, are most likely related distantly somehow, but I haven't found a connection yet. >What software are you using to dynamically generate those indexes to your family? Right now, I'm using Sierra's Generations 4.2. I started using it when it was "Reunion", created by a small Co in PA (Leister). Since they sold the Windows vestion to Sierra a couple years ago, it has suffered from neglect and I'm considering getting a different program, perhaps Family Tree Maker which was always a distant 2nd to Reunion but now appears to have surpassed it. The "dynamic" trees you see, were text file reports created by Generations and plopped into my page. >Lastly, where does your Eleazar Polster originate? My current assumption is that he was from the Stropkov environs but I have very little original information about him. I really need to get to the LDS FHC but have been intimidated by it and am not sure what films to get. As soon as I get over my phobia, I'll hopefully find the answer to that question. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256730.0006F935; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:16:10 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20734; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:16:22 -0500 Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA56732 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:16:28 -0500 Received: (from rachelp1@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id D5BGCSWQ; Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:16:12 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:16:15 -0500 Subject: langsam connection Message-Id: <19990309.201616.-937553.0.Rachelp1@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rachelp1@juno.com SMTPOriginator: rachelp1@juno.com From: rachelp1@juno.com Subject: langsam connection PostedDate: 03/09/99 08:16:15 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/09/99 08:16:12 PM-03/09/99 08:16:13 PM,03/09/99 08:16:08 PM-03/09/99 08:16:09 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/09/99 08:16:09 PM Categories: $Revisions: I was cleaning for Pesach and came across a printout from one of you emails referring to a search for Pesach Langsam. The Dayan in my husband's shteibel is called Shulem Pesach Langsam, son of Noach Langsam, who lives on 47th Street between 12 & 13th Avenues. How are the Langsams connected to the Millers? Have a Kosher & Freilach Pesach!! Rachel Porges ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256727.00539157; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:12:46 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23876; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:13:00 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA82656 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:13:05 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-111-7.s7.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.7]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA17906 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:12:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36DAADF3.5388@erols.com> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:10:43 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Millers in Galicia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Millers in Galicia PostedDate: 03/01/99 10:10:43 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/01/99 10:12:55 AM-03/01/99 10:12:56 AM,03/01/99 10:12:54 AM-03/01/99 10:12:56 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 03/01/99 10:12:56 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I know this is your busiest time at work but print this out and keep it for when you have a little down time to contemplate the issue. It's fresh in my mind and I want to make sure you have the benefit of my observations. I think I've mentioned that I have a 1929 Polish business directory on microfilm. I had in mind to do a massive computerization project but someone else is doing the project. I still have the sheets listing residents for most of the towns where family lived in Poland. Of course, only a small percentage of people are actually listed in the directory but it's all we've got for many of these communities. Over the weekend, I went back over the sheets to organize all of the Langsams mentioned. I also noted some other names...some names from my other branches and some from families intermarried with Langsams. I noted that in some of the towns, there were Millers and Mellers, often in the same occupations as the Langsams...some with shops very close to one another. It could be coincidence, of course so I don't want to make too much of it at this juncture. However, it caught my attention. Unfortunately, the first names are generally listed only as initials. Sometime Chaim is Ch. and Szaje is Sz. And, even more unfortunately, many of these places do not have vital records. However, with business records, we might be luckier, particualarly because such records are not all that old. I'm sure that these businesses paid taxes and some sort of registration fees. It might really be worth pursuing even though we won't get family information. If you want me to follow up with listing these Mellers/Millers, I can do that. Tylawa, Gorlice and Dukla, by the way, yielded nothing interesting. I think I already gave you the information for Bukowsko. The "new" names tended to be in the Lesko region. I will be in NY beginning August 8 and I'll be there until the 13th. I'll be up before that as I prepare for my presentation on Galicia but only for a day. Suzan From: GENE_KATZ@prodigy.net AT INTERNET@PSICCMAIL Logo: StdNotesLtr0 Subject: Langsam PostedDate: 02/25/99 08:47:20 PM DeliveryPriority: N SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $CCMTA$HOPS: 10 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW01/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW01/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/25/99 11:38:32 PM-02/25/99 11:39:09 PM,02/25/99 11:48:18 PM-02/25/99 11:48:19 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/25/99 11:48:19 PM Categories: $Revisions: I just found some of your correspondence. My father was born in Sanok, Poland in 1906. His mother's maiden name was Yetta Langsam. Are we related? Gene Katz
    I just found some of your correspondence. My father was born in Sanok, Poland in 1906. His mother's
    maiden name was Yetta Langsam. Are we related?
     
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    Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by ima-gw-1.ccmail.prusec.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 0021A0DB; Thu, 25 Feb 99 23:45:35 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24500; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:47:19 -0500 Received: from virtualmaster3-int.prodigy.net (virtualmaster3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.137]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA58448 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:47:24 -0500 Received: from gene (SNDGB206-05.splitrock.net [209.156.131.189]) by virtualmaster3-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA243114 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:47:17 -0500 Message-Id: <000701be6143$19204180$bd839cd1@gene> From: GENE_KATZ@prodigy.net To: Moishe_Miller@ccMail.PruSec.com Subject: Langsam Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:47:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671C.005AB169; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:30:36 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA42466; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:30:50 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (Ag14ZGtn6YF+5c42xV3tONt/YhbezZCN@BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13140 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:30:55 -0500 Received: from [128.197.80.206] (BIO-MAC6.BU.EDU [128.197.80.206]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0)/8.8.8/(BU-S-10/16/98-v1.0a)) with ESMTP id LAA10071 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:30:49 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <85256718.0052C9D8.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:32:56 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: L3.0 place name SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: L3.0 place name PostedDate: 02/18/99 11:32:56 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/18/99 11:30:41 AM-02/18/99 11:30:42 AM,02/18/99 11:30:41 AM-02/18/99 11:30:44 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/18/99 11:30:44 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I did not receive any attachments with your email below. Please resend. Also, my contact informatioin is fine as listed. Please do not include my tel. number. thanks david >Hi, >I am including two reports, as is, from your FTM. One is an Outline >Descendent Tree. The other is a Generation Report. Both span 4 generations, >strarting from and including Yeshaya David. This will make it easy for now >in replacing whatever you have, just by sending a new attachment of your >FTM file. >I am also including contact info as: >This information has been supplied by: > David Waxman > 30 Clements Road > Newton MA 02458-2618 > USA > > Email: djw@bio.bu.edu > >Should I include the phone #? > >Lastly, the real name of the place today is: >Krzywcze Gorne >I have it now in the page as: >Rivka Roche (18?? - 1???) married Moshe Eliezer Galler (c. 1813 - 1894 [22 >Mar Cheshvan]), > ABD Krzywcze Gorne (Kriftch, near Przemysl), Galicia, >and the son of Avrohm & Pessil. They had 2 known children. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671C.003B11AA; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:45:11 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24898; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:45:24 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA78890 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:45:28 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p11-clv2-ts1.en.net [207.180.218.11]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07632 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:42:45 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:36:12 -0500 Message-Id: <000201be5b2a$80fbeb20$0bdab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <8525671C.0016C8A6.00@notes.prusec.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke PostedDate: 02/18/99 05:36:12 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/18/99 05:45:20 AM-02/18/99 05:45:21 AM,02/18/99 05:45:19 AM-02/18/99 05:45:20 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/18/99 05:45:21 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, Wunder used what I gave him without modification. Another source, for the Laufer line was Adele Klein. He obtained additional information from other sources such as Mordechai Sever (who I interviewed on several occasions) , but I think all his information for that section came from respondents, and he perhaps felt there was no need or justification to challenge the data given to him. I recall that he did make some initial attempts at independent research, but perhaps abandoned it due to time constraints and other factors. Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:09 PM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke > > > Louie, > Actually, I was not challenging your tradition at all. Rather the other > lines that you list seem to have +/- the requisite number of children. I > would like to review your sources for them as compared to Wunder and other > published sources and records you ahve already supplied me with. > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671C.000FB573; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:51:34 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11918; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:51:49 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA35334 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:51:53 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p28-clv2-ts3.en.net [207.180.218.156]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA25427 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:48:59 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:42:23 -0500 Message-Id: <000901be5ae8$502d2140$9cdab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525671C.000332B1.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke PostedDate: 02/17/99 09:42:23 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 09:51:44 PM-02/17/99 09:55:58 PM,02/17/99 09:55:58 PM-02/17/99 09:56:00 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 09:56:00 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I have no problem whatsoever with your approach. On the contrary, I waste so much time experimenting with programs and spreadsheets that I hope will help me organize my material and allow me to progress, but usually ends up only generating a lot of paper, that I welcome all the assistance that I can get. Any templates or questions that you present me with, will be most welcome and appreciated. I am more interested in discovering the truth about my family than I am about proving that I am an einekel of the Bnei Yissaschar. Please feel free to challenge any assertions I make, to suggest further research, or to assign me specific tasks that are relevant to my search. Wherever you see discrepancies please identify them and I will provide my sources, and then we can decide which is the more accurate source. To the best of my recollection the only construct I used was that Naftali Hertzke was one of the first children of Moshe and Sarah and that I come from that line. I have abandoned that hypotheses since I have no evidence to support it. I may not have changed my chart, but I will need to do so as soon as I can determine who was the Abraham Schonfeld who sired Yitzchak Isaac Schonfeld, and if there are two Abraham Schonfelds and each sired a Yitzchak Isaac I still need to feel comfortable with my choice and not flip a coin to pick my ggggfather. As a matter of fact, I picked Abraham Schonfeld - it may have been ? Schonfeld who was the father of MY Yitzchak Isaac. My father, O.B.M. told me two facts, on several occassions over the years. 1. That we had a famous Rabbi in the family, (and when I asked him the name of that famous Rabbi - he replied "Hersh Meilich") and 2. that the Schonfeld family (his) originally came from Medzilaborce. Best wishes, Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 7:35 PM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke > > > Louie, > Based on the vast amount of notes you have given me (including Wunder's > entries), this list is only 90% accurate. I take it that some of the notes > I have from you from over the years have been deemed incorrect from their > source. Is this correct? > If not, should I put together a presentation for you of what I found where > and how it does not match your latest 2-generation tree? > Louie, it is hard to project emotion and inflection in email. Do not take > this in a harsh or bad way. I am sure you want accuracy above all else. I > am just trying to correlate it all given the backdrop of three years worth > of notes. > Bottom line, should I ignore it all and just go with what you sent me? > -Moishe > > > > lmagyar@en.com > Wednesday February 17, 1999 08:26 AM > > Please respond to lmagyar@en.com > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke > > > > > Descendants of Moshe Schonfeld > > 1 Moshe Schonfeld 1807 - 1878 > .. +Sara Spira 1808 - 1878 > ......... 2 Eliezer Schonfeld 1827 - 1893 > ............. +Eszter Horowitz 1827 - 1911 > .................... 3 Shimon Schonfeld > ........................ +Unknown Unknown > .................... 3 Hersh Meilech 1851 - 1938 > ........................ +Perl Berger 1849 - > .................... 3 Jaurely Yakov Schonfeld 1854 - > .................... 3 Cismuly Samuel 1857 - 1939 > ........................ +Chaya Ruchel Karnafogel - 1930 > .................... 3 Frajda Schonfeld 1864 - > ........................ +Yechiel > .................... 3 Leah Schonfeld 1869 - > ........................ +Moshe Heller > .................... 3 [2] Chane Mindel Henna Schonfeld 1860 - > 1930 > ........................ +[1] Yakov Koppel Laufer 1854 - > ......... 2 Naftali Hertske Schonfeld 1829 - > .................... 3 [4] Izsak Schonfeld 1848 - > ........................ +[3] Amalia Laufer 1855 - > ......... 2 Pessil Schonfeld 1833 - 1917 > ............. +Shaye Zvi Herska Laufer 1829 - 1903 > .................... 3 Yitzchak Eliezer Ignatz Laufer 1853 - > 1918 > ........................ +Rochel > .................... 3 [1] Yakov Koppel Laufer 1854 - > ........................ +[2] Chane Mindel Henna Schonfeld 1860 - > 1930 > .................... 3 [3] Amalia Laufer 1855 - > ........................ +[4] Izsak Schonfeld 1848 - > .................... 3 Sholem Laufer 1857 - > .................... 3 Samuel Laufer 1862 - 1942 > ........................ +Scheindel Zupnick Abt 1865 - 1939 > .................... 3 Miskos Laufer 1864 - > .................... 3 Israel Laufer 1868 - > .................... 3 Naftali Laufer 1870 - 1906 > ........................ +Taube > ......... 2 Pesach Avraham Schonfeld 1834 - 1898 > ............. +Green > .................... 3 Yakov Meir Schonfeld 1870 - 1944 > ........................ +Chaya Adler - 1944 > .................... 3 Yosef Schonfeld > .................... 3 a. Schonfeld > ........................ +Yakov Weiss - 1936 > .................... 3 b Schonfeld > ........................ +Moshe Baum > ......... 2 Mordechai Yosef Markus Schonfeld 1835 - > ............. +Blima Unknown - Abt 1918 > .................... 3 Moshe Svartse Schonfeld > .................... 3 Dovid Schonfeld > .................... 3 Freidel Schonfeld > ........................ +Langsam > ......... *2nd Wife of Mordechai Yosef Markus Schonfeld: > ............. +Dvora Dvorka Debora Grunberger 1837 - > .................... 3 Isak Schonfeld 1855 - > ........................ +Rivke Rebecca > .................... 3 Esther Schonfeld 1856 - 1936 > ........................ +Benjamin Waldman 1854 - 1935 > .................... 3 Lazar Schonfeld 1858 - > ........................ +Chaytchu Abt 1865 - > .................... 3 Luja Leah Schonfeld 1862 - 1938 > .................... 3 Minda Schonfeld 1865 - 1930 > .................... 3 Chane Minol Hana Schonfeld 1869 - > ......... 2 Rivka Schonfeld 1836 - > ............. +Naftali Zvi Herpudar > .................... 3 Miriam Reizal Herpudar > .................... 3 Chana Mindel Herpudar 1860 - 1939 > ........................ +Uziel Meizlish 1859 - 1932 > ......... 2 Simon Shimon Schonfeld 1837 - > ............. +Leni Lena Ruchel Rogenfos 1843 - > .................... 3 Israel Schonfeld 1859 - > .................... 3 Herman Schonfeld 1863 - > ........................ +Rifke Unknown > .................... 3 Lazar Schonfeld 1866 - > ........................ +Sarah Unknown Abt 1870 - > ......... 2 Asher Schonfeld 1840 - 1931 > ......... 2 Bracha Schonfeld 1842 - > ............. +Dovid Meizlish > ......... 2 Mirel Lifsha Schonfeld 1844 - > ............. +Aharon Unknown > ......... 2 Zvi Elimelech Schonfeld 1850 - 1926 > ............. +Peril Kallush > .................... 3 Feige Schonfeld > ........................ +Graubert > .................... 3 Leah Schonfeld - 1906 > ........................ +Wolf Weissberger > .................... 3 Eliezer Schonfeld > .................... 3 Bracha Schonfeld > ........................ +Meir Sholem Rottenberg > .................... 3 Yakov Schonfeld > .................... 3 Shmuel Schonfeld > .................... 3 Shimon Schonfeld > .................... 3 daughter Schonfeld > ........................ +Sholem Kallush - 1920 > .................... 3 daughter 2 Schonfeld > ........................ +Shmuel Zanvil Rand (Hacohen) > ......... *2nd Wife of Zvi Elimelech Schonfeld: > ............. +Sister2 Kalush > .................... 3 Gitchu Schonfeld > ........................ +Grunfeld > .................... 3 Sarah Schonfeld - 1942 > ........................ +Dovid Schonfeld 1877 - 1931 > .................... 3 Bracha Schonfeld > ......... 2 Leah Schonfeld > ............. +Yanchi 1810 - 1855 > .................... 3 Frieda Uri - 1895 > ........................ +Shmuel Zanvil Kalich - 1887 > .................... 3 Raizel Uri > ........................ +Yitzchak Isaac Perlmutter > .................... 3 Peril Feige Uri > ........................ +Meshullam Fisch Seidenfeld > .................... 3 Rochel Leah Uri > ........................ +Naftali Seidenfeld - 1903 > .................... 3 Chana Mindel Uri > .................... 3 Eliyukum Uri > .................... 3 Chava Uri Abt 1850 - > ........................ +Samuel Fisch > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 10:10 AM > > To: lmagyar@en.com > > Subject: Naftali Hertzke > > > > > > Hi, > > Do you have any new documantation on him? Was he born 1828? When > > was Pessil > > born? Going through various documents I have seen two different > > dates, 1828 > > and 1833. > > Do you know how many children he had, aside from your Yitzchok Isaac? > > > > Can you send me even an Outline Descendent Tree, cut-n-pasted into you > > email document from FTM? Go into the VIEW menu option to select > it. Under > > the CONTENTS menu option you can then select only 3 generations. Can you > > send me your latest list of children and grandchildren for Sara and > Moshe? > > -Moishe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.0062924C; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:56:39 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22516; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:56:53 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10948 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:56:57 -0500 Received: from harnof (harnof [146.245.1.56]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA03503 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:56:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <00e401be5a9e$e76f0d60$3801f592@harnof.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> Reply-To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Fw: your mail Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:56:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: Fw: your mail PostedDate: 02/17/99 12:56:54 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 12:56:47 PM-02/17/99 01:07:37 PM,02/17/99 01:07:38 PM-02/17/99 01:09:07 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 01:09:07 PM Categories: $Revisions: Hi, I should be home later in the afternoon and all evening...... Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Fw: your mail >Suzan did NOT copy me on this. I think we need to talk (you and I). Are you >available any time later? I can call you. >-Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.0056AE45; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:46:47 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22348; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:47:01 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15118 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:47:01 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p13-clv2-ts2.en.net [207.180.218.77]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18151 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:44:24 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:37:51 -0500 Message-Id: <000001be5a8b$7abccc60$4ddab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525671B.0052BC93.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke PostedDate: 02/17/99 10:37:51 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 10:46:55 AM-02/17/99 10:46:57 AM,02/17/99 10:46:56 AM-02/17/99 10:46:57 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 10:46:57 AM Categories: $Revisions: I'll have to look it up. Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 10:04 AM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke > > > Great! Thanks! > Where did you find out the dates of 1840-1931 for Asher Schonfeld? > 1844 for Mirel Lifsha? > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.0056AEAF; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:46:48 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15440; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:47:01 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA35870 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:47:05 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p13-clv2-ts2.en.net [207.180.218.77]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18175 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:44:28 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: SchonfeldFamily Tree Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:37:54 -0500 Message-Id: <000101be5a8b$7c81fc00$4ddab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525671B.005347FB.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: SchonfeldFamily Tree PostedDate: 02/17/99 10:37:54 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 10:46:57 AM-02/17/99 10:46:57 AM,02/17/99 10:46:56 AM-02/17/99 10:46:57 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 10:46:57 AM Categories: $Revisions: I say 1807 and the same year for Moshe Schonfeld. Given the wealth of the Schonfeld family at that time it is plausibe that they married at a young age. If they married in 1823 Sara would have been 16 years old and the same for Moshe. When and where did you get the 1857 census material? Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 10:10 AM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: SchonfeldFamily Tree > > > What about the three death records in the vast amount of notes you have > given me? Two state she was 70 in 1878, one states 71. That means 1807/8. > Given that R' Elazar of Lancut was born (according to Wunder) in 1808, > either they were twins or she is 1807. BTW, the census dates are very bad. > I tell you this from my own family, comparing those dates to actual filmed > birth records, and even comparing dates for the same people between the > 1857 and 1869 census. > In light of all this, what date should I go with? > -Moishe > > > > lmagyar@en.com > Wednesday February 17, 1999 08:49 AM > > Please respond to lmagyar@en.com > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: RE: SchonfeldFamily Tree > > > > > I use the year I have from the 1869 census page- I beleive that is 1810. > > Louis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 3:56 PM > > To: lmagyar@en.com > > Subject: SchonfeldFamily Tree > > > > > > Louie, > > Can you supply a tree of only the first two generations from > Moshe & Sara > > (children and grandchildren)? I am enhancing the website to include a > > seperate "Bnei Yissochur" page. > > Also, what year do you use for Sara's birth, 1807? > > > > -Moishe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.0050932D; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:40:05 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17234; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:40:18 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13118 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:40:23 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA02239 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:40:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <001201be5a83$9f14aae0$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Fw: your mail Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:41:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Fw: your mail PostedDate: 02/17/99 09:41:35 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 09:40:09 AM-02/17/99 09:40:09 AM,02/17/99 09:40:08 AM-02/17/99 09:40:09 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 09:40:09 AM Categories: $Revisions: I don't know if she is copying you on our email. So here it is. Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: Suzan and Ron Wynne To: Dr. Yedidyah Langsam Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 9:10 AM Subject: Re: your mail >Dr. Yedidyah Langsam wrote: >> >> Dear Suzan, >> >> I received your trees in the mail. Once again, I am in a quandary. You >> seem to have rearranged things quite radically, and that conflicts >> with all that I know. >> >> First of all, Meir of Bircza, is who my father is named after. >> According to our family, as you know, the sequence is Pesach (the >> first), David+?, Pesach(b. Bircza), Meir of Bircza, Elazar, Yehoshua, >> Naftoli Meir, me > >I hear your distress but you must understand that your part of the >family does not stand alone. There are other pieces of information >which must be factored in apart from your orally transmitted knowledge >and understanding of your lineage. Therefore, when we have information >that conflicts, we have to have some way of dealing with it. I am not >disputing your understanding. I am suggesting, however, that you >consider what others have said about your branch. The family now living >in New Square says that your Meir of Bircza was a brother to Sholem and >Shimon. And, and, that the father and mother were Pesach and Feiga. >And, and that the father of that Pesach was Efraim Shmuel. > >When I started this project, I was put in touch with a 90+ cousin, Blima >Langsam from Kanczuga who was living in a nursing home in Brooklyn. My >husband and I visited her and she told me her oral tradition about who >was who. She, in theory, was also descended from Chaim Leib ben >Pesach. She was very sure of what she had been told and she assured me >that my great grandmother could not have been a child of Menachem Mendel >ben Chaim Leib because she had never heard of her. She was also sure >that Menachem Mendel could not have fathered Abraham because, again, she >had never heard of him. What could I say? My grandmother was from a >first wife and Abraham from a second wife. Blima was from a third wife. > >Similarly, if you have followed the progression of Daniel Teichman's >understanding of Miriam's connection to Zvi Elimelech, you can >appreciate how oral history can be useful but not the only way of >getting to the end point. I know that your father believes that his >version is correct and I have to respect that but, at the same time, >others have their oral tradition and we also have to reconcile that >knowledge with documentary evidence. > >Perhaps what we are dealing with here is a generational problem. >Perhaps one or more of Pesach's children was a full generation older >than Zvi Elimelech and therefore there is another whole layer. Perhaps >we are dealing with two Meirs of Bircza who lived simultaneously. But, >for sure, we can't say that David and Efraim Shmuel are the same men. >And we must have some way of reconciling conflicting oral traditions. >And, we must consider documentary evidence that says that Pesach who had >two or three wives and lived in Bircza with Feiga early in his life and >Jawornik with Beila late in his long life was the son of Ksiel. I have >very little documentary evidence about Pesach's marriage to Feiga and >his children with her. They had a son who died at 16 in Jawornik but >the other children apparently were grown and lived in towns where there >are no records. > >If ever there was a time for flexibility in thinking, this is it. >Please do talk with others, not only in your immediate branch but to >Moshe in New Square and others who are in L2. > >What is also important to understand is that the only documentary >evidence for "David" is that some lines have men named David in them and >we have either records or living examples. No one else, that I know of, >other than your immediate family has an oral tradition for a David being >the son of Pesach. Joel Geier, who is descended from Efraim Shmuel, may >be able to help because he knows some of the people in L2. All I have >is correspondence from these folks which clearly says that Meir of >Bircza belongs with them. We argued about this many years ago and we >resolved it in a way that, in my view was unsatisfactory and will again >be unsatisfactory. > >Suzan >> >> I had thought that we agreed that Kisheal + Esther was to be placed as >> another branch of Pesach. >> >> I don't understand why you moved Meir. >> >> In the Hebrew newspaper, Hamodeah (18 November 1996) that I gave you >> it reported on the death of a Pesach Langsam the son of Chaim son of >> Meir son-in-law of Elazar Lancut son of Zvi Elimelech. We believe that >> it is likely that on our L2.0 it should be Meir who married the dtr of >> Elazar Spira (i.e. not his mother as we have indicated). My father >> heard this independently, and tends to agree that we have is a >> mistake. >> >> However, the male lineage is not in dispute (at least not in our >> extended family). >> >> I have asked my father and brothers in Israel to interview the members >> of the family mentioned in the newspaper above, to see what else they >> can find. >> >> Yedidyah >> ======================================================== >> Professor Yedidyah Langsam >> Department of Computer & Information Science >> Brooklyn College >> 2900 Bedford Avenue >> Brooklyn, NY 11210 >> >> voice: (718) 951-4161 >> email: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu >> icq: 10661149 >> web page: http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu >> ======================================================== > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.004CBEFD; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:58:16 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12324; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:58:29 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13110 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:58:34 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p43-clv2-ts5.en.net [207.180.219.43]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA17446 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:55:57 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: SchonfeldFamily Tree Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:49:26 -0500 Message-Id: <000401be5a7c$54f8f940$2bdbb4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256711.00730119.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: SchonfeldFamily Tree PostedDate: 02/17/99 08:49:26 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 08:58:23 AM-02/17/99 08:58:23 AM,02/17/99 08:58:22 AM-02/17/99 09:01:05 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 09:01:05 AM Categories: $Revisions: I use the year I have from the 1869 census page- I beleive that is 1810. Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 3:56 PM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: SchonfeldFamily Tree > > > Louie, > Can you supply a tree of only the first two generations from Moshe & Sara > (children and grandchildren)? I am enhancing the website to include a > seperate "Bnei Yissochur" page. > Also, what year do you use for Sara's birth, 1807? > > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.004BD073; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:48:05 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29524; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:48:20 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA41698 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:48:24 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p43-clv2-ts5.en.net [207.180.219.43]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14697 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:45:45 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: FW: Stropkov Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:39:11 -0500 Message-Id: <000301be5a7a$e67834a0$2bdbb4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: FW: Stropkov PostedDate: 02/17/99 08:39:11 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 08:48:10 AM-02/17/99 08:48:10 AM,02/17/99 08:48:10 AM-02/17/99 08:48:11 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 08:48:11 AM Categories: $Revisions: -----Original Message----- From: Louis Schonfeld [mailto:lmagyar@en.com] Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:41 PM To: Touvia Goldstein; Hallie Feldman Cc: melody@gimby.save-net.co.il Subject: RE: Stropkov Hi Touvia and all, Glad to hear Poli is responding positively to her treatment. We all wish her a Refuah Shlemah. I have been looking closer at the Abraham Schonfeld connection. This is crucial to me since I visited my great-grandfather's "Kever" in Strobitche (a village 10km south of Munkacs)several years ago. I discovered that Yehuda Schonfeld's father was Yitzchak Isaac. The only "hard' evidence I had that Yitzchak Isaac lived in Medzilaborce was from the Pernumeranten of the 1869 Sefer by Naftali Yeshaye Hertz Spira the son of Rabbi David Spira (one of the four sons of the Bene Yissachar). The connection I have with the Bene Yissachar is as follows: Sarah Spira married Moshe Schonfeld ben Eliezer of Medzilaborce. One of their oldest children was a daughter Pessil who married Yehsaya Laufer. They had a daughter Malke Laufer who married Isak the son of Abraham Schonfeld. About seven years ago I hired a researhcer to work for me in the Presov archives (before the Mormons microfilmed there). She did a poor job (I went to the archives myself and discovered numerous ommissions as well as sloppy transcribing. However, the dates are accurate. Here are the relevant findings: Births: to Abraham Schonfeld and Chane in Csebina - Isaac on May 24 1857 - Mohel: Moshe Schonfeld (perhaps an uncle) Births: to Isaac Schonfeld and Rifke in Gr. Polyan - Kati on Feb 24 1869 Births: to Isaac Schonfeld and Malke in Medzilaborce-Simon on Sep 27 1870. Births: to Adolph (Abraham) Schonfeld and Chane in Csabina? - Gitel on July 20 1871. Births: to " " " " " and Gitel in Koskocz - Moshe on July 26 1872 Births: to Isaac Schonfeld and Malke in Medzilaborce- Freide on July 4, 1872 Births: to " " " " " - Scheindel on January 8, 1875 (Moshe Schonfeld was Jegyzet-witness) Births: to Isaac Schonfeld and Rebeka in Palota - Rachel on April 22 1877 Births: to Isaac Schonfeld and Deborah Neuman - Bluma on October 15 1878 in Csebina Births: to Ignaz (secular equivalent to Isaac) S and Debra Neuman - Kati on Aug 18 1881 in Csebina Births: to Isaac Schonfeld and Malke in Medzilaborce - Sarah on April 15 1884 in Medzilaborce Births: to Isaac Schonfeld and Malke in Medzilaborce - Chane Mindel on August 20 1886 in Medzilaborce The researcher wrote: "Note: Gap between May 1860- and February 1869" There appears to be two Isaac Schonfelds propagating at the same time 1) married to Malke Laufer and living in Medzilaborce and 2) married to Rifke and a second marriage to Deborah Neuman and living in Csebina. I noted that you had similar names on your chart, but the dates were different. I think I can identify at least 3 Moshe Schonfelds, and two Abraham Schonfelds living in the mid 19th century in Northeastern Zemplen County.- There is Abraham Chaim Schonfeld from Stropkov / Abraham Schonfeld the Likever Rav and perhaps another one who married this Chane from Csebina. Similary there was Moshe Schonfeld the first Rabbi of Stropkov, Moshe Schonfeld married to Sarah Spira and perhaps another one floating around in the vicinity (like Moshe Isur Schonfeld the Rav in Tolcsva in 1825). Isaac Schonfeld and Malke from Medzilaborce who gave birth to Scheindel apparantly moved to Munkacs (I have a photo of Scheindel's Matzevah from Munkacs)- Yehuda - my ggrandfather may have been her older brother which explains how Yehuda got to Munkacs where he married Tziril Krause (first marriage). I still don't have an explaination why he was ostracized from the family - eked a living as a shoemaker in Munkacs. Yehuda had a brother Moshe who married a Jakober girl (Yitzchak Yakob Schonfeld and the Jakobers were both in the building supply business - perhaps partners at one time). This Moshe (Yehuda's brother) moved to Sighet and had a tannery there. Yehuda also had a sister who married a Hartztein from Sarospotak. Yehuda and Tziril had the following children: Abraham (Adolph) Schonfeld who moved to America before WWI/ Bluma Schonfeld who married Shlomo Yosef Wachtenheim (they lived in Svalyave AKA as Soyva in Hungarian)/ Jakov who moved to Kiskunfelgyhaza for a second marriage and Chaim Elazar Schonfeld my father's father. I will continue to explore these confusing threads further. Any guidance you can offer would be appreciated. Best wishes, Louis Schonfeld > -----Original Message----- > From: Touvia Goldstein [mailto:touviagoldstein@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 11:03 PM > To: Hallie Feldman > Cc: melody@gimby.save-net.co.il; lmagyar@en.com > Subject: Re: Stropkov > > > Hi Hallie, > > With Melody, from one side, and with Louis from the other, we are > trying to find family connections, specially through Abraham Chayim > (Nota) Schonfeld from Strpkov. Yet not found. Any help will be more > than welcomed. > > Poli, after her second day since the chirurgical intervention, is > already walkaing and starting her phisiotherapy treatment parallel to > her chimo. > > Bet regards, > > Teddy > > > > > ---Hallie Feldman wrote: > > > > Hi Melody! > > > > My great grandmother was Hannah Schonfeld of Stropkov, who was a > daughter of > > Abraham Chaim Schonfeld and Leah Kreindl Goldstein (part of Teddy > Goldstein's > > family tree). I am number 192 on Teddy's tree. I was born and > raised in > > California. Hannah was the last person in my lineage to live in > Stropkov, my > > grandfather Mannie was born in New York. The recipe for Krautsvechel > is hers > > however, she passed it down to my grandmother, her daughter-in-law > Nettie > > Pekelner. She in turn passed it down to my mom who passed it down to > me (not > > that I have ever made it - I still refuse to render fat from a > chicken). > > > > I did ask my dad for a copy of the melodies and will forward them on > when I have > > them. > > > > by copy to Teddy, my grandfather was Mannie Berliner, Hebrew name > Menachem Arie, > > the son of Hannah and Joseph Sholem Berliner. You have my father, > Steve, and my > > Uncle, David, under Max Berliner instead. On the computer listing > you gave me > > years ago you have us all correct, but somehow its not correct on > your website. > > > > Melody are you on Teddy's tree also? Are you and Louis related? > > > > Does anyone know of Dudley Schonfeld? The family legend, on the > Berliner side > > anyway, is that he is the psychologist who cracked the Lindberg baby > kidnapping > > case. (the pilot, years and years ago). Not that I have researched > very hard > > on this, but I'm wondering if there is any truth to this legend > after seeing a > > television special on Lindberg, and not hearing the Schonfeld name > mentioned > > once. > > > > Spencer Gross's great grandmother was Lena Berliner Berger. She was > Joseph > > Sholem's sister. His family, when they first came to the states, > settled in > > Johnstown Pennsylvania. > > > > Teddy we hope Poli is recuperating all right. > > > > Happy 50th Louis! > > > > This is an eventful February for us too, Steve and I celebrate our > 10 year > > anniversary next weekend. > > > > :-)Hallie > > > > melody gross wrote: > > > > > Dear Hallie, Happy to meet you!!!! > > > > > > Yes, the meloldies from the seders, and the recipe(s). How are we > related? > > > I am an Amsel. My great-grandmather was Frieda Schonfeld Amsel of > Stropkov, > > > daughter of Avraham Chaim Schonfeld. > > > > > > I am writing a history of Stropkov, and can use any information > you can give > > > me. Did you grow up there? > > > > > > Excited, Melody > > > > > > Hallie, I'm not related through the Gross family, but I am in > contact with > > > Groiss survivors of Stropkov, as well as many other people who are > > > connected--survivors, descendants, and researchers. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.004BCE2B; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:47:59 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA39120; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:48:14 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA38020 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:48:17 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p43-clv2-ts5.en.net [207.180.219.43]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA14664 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:45:40 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:39:08 -0500 Message-Id: <000201be5a7a$e4ccf5a0$2bdbb4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256718.0053494F.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke PostedDate: 02/17/99 08:39:08 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 08:48:00 AM-02/17/99 08:48:01 AM,02/17/99 08:48:01 AM-02/17/99 08:48:01 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 08:48:01 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hi Moiseh, I followed your instructions and hopefully you will have received an outline descendant tree for Moshe Schonfeld's 1st 3 generations. In spite of the fact that the tree still shows Naftali Hertzke as a son of Moshe Schonfeld, I have been unsuccessful in finding any documentation of him. I am forwarding to you a recent message which might shed some light on who I am and where I came from. See next message. Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 10:10 AM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: Naftali Hertzke > > > Hi, > Do you have any new documantation on him? Was he born 1828? When > was Pessil > born? Going through various documents I have seen two different > dates, 1828 > and 1833. > Do you know how many children he had, aside from your Yitzchok Isaac? > > Can you send me even an Outline Descendent Tree, cut-n-pasted into you > email document from FTM? Go into the VIEW menu option to select it. Under > the CONTENTS menu option you can then select only 3 generations. Can you > send me your latest list of children and grandchildren for Sara and Moshe? > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.004AAA8B; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:35:33 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29768; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:35:45 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA35362 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:35:48 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p43-clv2-ts5.en.net [207.180.219.43]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA11365 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:33:09 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:26:36 -0500 Message-Id: <000101be5a79$25024140$2bdbb4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256718.0053494F.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke PostedDate: 02/17/99 08:26:36 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 08:35:33 AM-02/17/99 08:39:12 AM,02/17/99 08:39:13 AM-02/17/99 08:39:41 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 08:39:41 AM Categories: $Revisions: Descendants of Moshe Schonfeld 1 Moshe Schonfeld 1807 - 1878 .. +Sara Spira 1808 - 1878 ......... 2 Eliezer Schonfeld 1827 - 1893 ............. +Eszter Horowitz 1827 - 1911 .................... 3 Shimon Schonfeld ........................ +Unknown Unknown .................... 3 Hersh Meilech 1851 - 1938 ........................ +Perl Berger 1849 - .................... 3 Jaurely Yakov Schonfeld 1854 - .................... 3 Cismuly Samuel 1857 - 1939 ........................ +Chaya Ruchel Karnafogel - 1930 .................... 3 Frajda Schonfeld 1864 - ........................ +Yechiel .................... 3 Leah Schonfeld 1869 - ........................ +Moshe Heller .................... 3 [2] Chane Mindel Henna Schonfeld 1860 - 1930 ........................ +[1] Yakov Koppel Laufer 1854 - ......... 2 Naftali Hertske Schonfeld 1829 - .................... 3 [4] Izsak Schonfeld 1848 - ........................ +[3] Amalia Laufer 1855 - ......... 2 Pessil Schonfeld 1833 - 1917 ............. +Shaye Zvi Herska Laufer 1829 - 1903 .................... 3 Yitzchak Eliezer Ignatz Laufer 1853 - 1918 ........................ +Rochel .................... 3 [1] Yakov Koppel Laufer 1854 - ........................ +[2] Chane Mindel Henna Schonfeld 1860 - 1930 .................... 3 [3] Amalia Laufer 1855 - ........................ +[4] Izsak Schonfeld 1848 - .................... 3 Sholem Laufer 1857 - .................... 3 Samuel Laufer 1862 - 1942 ........................ +Scheindel Zupnick Abt 1865 - 1939 .................... 3 Miskos Laufer 1864 - .................... 3 Israel Laufer 1868 - .................... 3 Naftali Laufer 1870 - 1906 ........................ +Taube ......... 2 Pesach Avraham Schonfeld 1834 - 1898 ............. +Green .................... 3 Yakov Meir Schonfeld 1870 - 1944 ........................ +Chaya Adler - 1944 .................... 3 Yosef Schonfeld .................... 3 a. Schonfeld ........................ +Yakov Weiss - 1936 .................... 3 b Schonfeld ........................ +Moshe Baum ......... 2 Mordechai Yosef Markus Schonfeld 1835 - ............. +Blima Unknown - Abt 1918 .................... 3 Moshe Svartse Schonfeld .................... 3 Dovid Schonfeld .................... 3 Freidel Schonfeld ........................ +Langsam ......... *2nd Wife of Mordechai Yosef Markus Schonfeld: ............. +Dvora Dvorka Debora Grunberger 1837 - .................... 3 Isak Schonfeld 1855 - ........................ +Rivke Rebecca .................... 3 Esther Schonfeld 1856 - 1936 ........................ +Benjamin Waldman 1854 - 1935 .................... 3 Lazar Schonfeld 1858 - ........................ +Chaytchu Abt 1865 - .................... 3 Luja Leah Schonfeld 1862 - 1938 .................... 3 Minda Schonfeld 1865 - 1930 .................... 3 Chane Minol Hana Schonfeld 1869 - ......... 2 Rivka Schonfeld 1836 - ............. +Naftali Zvi Herpudar .................... 3 Miriam Reizal Herpudar .................... 3 Chana Mindel Herpudar 1860 - 1939 ........................ +Uziel Meizlish 1859 - 1932 ......... 2 Simon Shimon Schonfeld 1837 - ............. +Leni Lena Ruchel Rogenfos 1843 - .................... 3 Israel Schonfeld 1859 - .................... 3 Herman Schonfeld 1863 - ........................ +Rifke Unknown .................... 3 Lazar Schonfeld 1866 - ........................ +Sarah Unknown Abt 1870 - ......... 2 Asher Schonfeld 1840 - 1931 ......... 2 Bracha Schonfeld 1842 - ............. +Dovid Meizlish ......... 2 Mirel Lifsha Schonfeld 1844 - ............. +Aharon Unknown ......... 2 Zvi Elimelech Schonfeld 1850 - 1926 ............. +Peril Kallush .................... 3 Feige Schonfeld ........................ +Graubert .................... 3 Leah Schonfeld - 1906 ........................ +Wolf Weissberger .................... 3 Eliezer Schonfeld .................... 3 Bracha Schonfeld ........................ +Meir Sholem Rottenberg .................... 3 Yakov Schonfeld .................... 3 Shmuel Schonfeld .................... 3 Shimon Schonfeld .................... 3 daughter Schonfeld ........................ +Sholem Kallush - 1920 .................... 3 daughter 2 Schonfeld ........................ +Shmuel Zanvil Rand (Hacohen) ......... *2nd Wife of Zvi Elimelech Schonfeld: ............. +Sister2 Kalush .................... 3 Gitchu Schonfeld ........................ +Grunfeld .................... 3 Sarah Schonfeld - 1942 ........................ +Dovid Schonfeld 1877 - 1931 .................... 3 Bracha Schonfeld ......... 2 Leah Schonfeld ............. +Yanchi 1810 - 1855 .................... 3 Frieda Uri - 1895 ........................ +Shmuel Zanvil Kalich - 1887 .................... 3 Raizel Uri ........................ +Yitzchak Isaac Perlmutter .................... 3 Peril Feige Uri ........................ +Meshullam Fisch Seidenfeld .................... 3 Rochel Leah Uri ........................ +Naftali Seidenfeld - 1903 .................... 3 Chana Mindel Uri .................... 3 Eliyukum Uri .................... 3 Chava Uri Abt 1850 - ........................ +Samuel Fisch > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 10:10 AM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: Naftali Hertzke > > > Hi, > Do you have any new documantation on him? Was he born 1828? When > was Pessil > born? Going through various documents I have seen two different > dates, 1828 > and 1833. > Do you know how many children he had, aside from your Yitzchok Isaac? > > Can you send me even an Outline Descendent Tree, cut-n-pasted into you > email document from FTM? Go into the VIEW menu option to select it. Under > the CONTENTS menu option you can then select only 3 generations. Can you > send me your latest list of children and grandchildren for Sara and Moshe? > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.00453AE5; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:36:10 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23122; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:36:22 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA68116 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:36:27 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA01901 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:36:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <002f01be5a72$4ef4f300$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: suzan's tree Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:37:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE5A48.64F9F300" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 $FILE: SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: suzan's tree PostedDate: 02/17/99 07:37:39 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 07:36:11 AM-02/17/99 07:36:14 AM,02/17/99 07:36:12 AM-02/17/99 07:36:12 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 07:36:12 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hi, I copied you on an email I sent Suzan. I am beginning to be a bit disconcerted, by the wholesale changes she is making which conflicts with much that I know. I don't quite know how to approach this, but clearly a large part of the family which maintains a tradition-- and has been certain of what they have passed down.... is going to be very unsupportive of anything that so radically, contradicts what we know. I am not sure how to handle this. Just a reminder, I am awaiting the Hebrew macro, and would appreciate copies of the Rashi stuff, with some conclusion on how we should type it in. Yedidyah ======================================================== Professor Yedidyah Langsam Department of Computer & Information Science Brooklyn College 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11210 voice: (718) 951-4161 email: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu icq: 10661149 web page: http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ======================================================== - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525671B.0044E447; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:32:28 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29414; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:32:40 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA51216 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:32:45 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA01889; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:32:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <002301be5a71$ca1aa260$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, srwynne@erols.com Cc: naftali1@internet-zahav.net Subject: your mail Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:33:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE5A47.DEBF2800" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 $FILE: SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: your mail PostedDate: 02/17/99 07:33:53 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,srwynne@erols.com CopyTo: naftali1@internet-zahav.net $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/17/99 07:32:36 AM-02/17/99 07:32:37 AM,02/17/99 07:32:35 AM-02/17/99 07:32:36 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/17/99 07:32:36 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Suzan, I received your trees in the mail. Once again, I am in a quandary. You seem to have rearranged things quite radically, and that conflicts with all that I know. First of all, Meir of Bircza, is who my father is named after. According to our family, as you know, the sequence is Pesach (the first), David+?, Pesach(b. Bircza), Meir of Bircza, Elazar, Yehoshua, Naftoli Meir, me I had thought that we agreed that Kisheal + Esther was to be placed as another branch of Pesach. I don't understand why you moved Meir. In the Hebrew newspaper, Hamodeah (18 November 1996) that I gave you it reported on the death of a Pesach Langsam the son of Chaim son of Meir son-in-law of Elazar Lancut son of Zvi Elimelech. We believe that it is likely that on our L2.0 it should be Meir who married the dtr of Elazar Spira (i.e. not his mother as we have indicated). My father heard this independently, and tends to agree that we have is a mistake. However, the male lineage is not in dispute (at least not in our extended family). I have asked my father and brothers in Israel to interview the members of the family mentioned in the newspaper above, to see what else they can find. Yedidyah ======================================================== Professor Yedidyah Langsam Department of Computer & Information Science Brooklyn College 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11210 voice: (718) 951-4161 email: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu icq: 10661149 web page: http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ======================================================== - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256718.006CA724; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:46:46 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12328; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:47:00 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA43866 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:47:04 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p40-clv2-ts4.en.net [207.180.218.232]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11960 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:44:28 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:38:06 -0500 Message-Id: <000001be5851$8ba08260$e8dab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256718.0053494F.00@notes.prusec.com> SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Naftali Hertzke PostedDate: 02/14/99 02:38:06 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/14/99 02:46:54 PM-02/14/99 02:46:55 PM,02/14/99 02:46:54 PM-02/14/99 02:46:54 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/14/99 02:46:54 PM Categories: $Revisions: Hi Moishe, I just returned before Shabbos from Columbus. I'll e-mail you the information by Tuesday midnight I'yH, if not sooner. Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 10:10 AM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: Naftali Hertzke > > > Hi, > Do you have any new documantation on him? Was he born 1828? When > was Pessil > born? Going through various documents I have seen two different > dates, 1828 > and 1833. > Do you know how many children he had, aside from your Yitzchok Isaac? > > Can you send me even an Outline Descendent Tree, cut-n-pasted into you > email document from FTM? Go into the VIEW menu option to select it. Under > the CONTENTS menu option you can then select only 3 generations. Can you > send me your latest list of children and grandchildren for Sara and Moshe? > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256716.0054C462; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:25:53 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA42002; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:26:05 -0500 Received: from academic.touro.edu (academic.touro.edu [192.245.89.2]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA72724 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:26:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (averymh@localhost) by academic.touro.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA41276 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:26:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:26:50 -0500 (EST) From: averymh@academic.touro.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Family Tree In-Reply-To: <8525670E.000410CC.00@notes.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: averymh@academic.touro.edu From: averymh@academic.touro.edu Subject: Re: Family Tree PostedDate: 02/12/99 10:26:50 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/12/99 10:25:57 AM-02/12/99 10:25:58 AM,02/12/99 10:25:54 AM-02/12/99 10:25:55 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/12/99 10:25:55 AM Categories: $Revisions: On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > I would love to get together! What is your daytime availability? Any chance > of you being in the Wall St. area by lunch anytime soon? > > > I haven't been in that area in ages. I work on Avenue J most of the time and 23rd Street (6th Avenue) the rest of the time. AVERY **************************************** * Dr. Avery M. Horowitz * * Associate Dean of Students * * for Advisement and Counseling * * Touro College * * 1602 Avenue J * * Brooklyn, NY 11230 * * 718-252-7800 ext 253 * * averymh@touro.edu * **************************************** $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256715.0059410B; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:14:53 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23548; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:15:05 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (hodIpNBFg4wXphJQ3Y4cc9aHLvWxFvnH@bio.bu.edu [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA70806 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:15:10 -0500 Received: from [128.197.80.203] (BIO-MAC3.BU.EDU [128.197.80.203]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0)/8.8.8/(BU-S-10/16/98-v1.0a)) with ESMTP id LAA02067 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:15:04 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8525670F.001AEE30.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:17:07 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: L3.0 place name SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: L3.0 place name PostedDate: 02/11/99 11:17:07 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/11/99 11:14:54 AM-02/11/99 11:14:56 AM,02/11/99 11:14:52 AM-02/11/99 11:14:53 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/11/99 11:14:54 AM Categories: $Revisions: Typo on my part: should read 'Kriptsch' or 'Kripitsch' (both spelled phonetically). david >Hi, >On page 3-3 Moshe Eliezer Geller is listed as Rabbi of Kritsch >In Wunder's work he lists him as ABD Kryptch (phonetic from the Hebrew) >I have a paper from Louie listing the place as Kriptsen >David Waxman has Kritsch on his tree. >I do not see it in WOWW. >Any idea? >-Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256714.007B7DD4; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:28:51 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16162; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:29:03 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24904 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:29:07 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-56-140.s140.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.140]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id RAA25028; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:28:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36C2079F.6F4B@erols.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:26:39 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Cc: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: L4 References: <002e01be5539$7c6a7140$3801f592@harnof.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: L4 PostedDate: 02/10/99 05:26:39 PM SendTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu CopyTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/10/99 05:28:54 PM-02/10/99 05:28:54 PM,02/10/99 05:28:51 PM-02/10/99 05:28:52 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/10/99 05:28:52 PM Categories: $Revisions: Prof. Yedidyah Langsam wrote: > > You are probably > >thinking that I've lost it with my last series of e-mails. > > Nah.... We are just enjoying your musings. :) > > Yedidyah Cute! OK, so I'm preparing my letter to Joel Geier. While I was talking with him (for almost 2 hours this morning!), he mentioned that he had always understood that his family descended from the Pesach of the three wives and he was puzzled as to why that man showed up in L2 and not L4. He also believed that his family had a close family tie with the Adest family. I tried to explain how we got to splitting L2 and L4. While compiling the material to send off, I noticed copies of two old letters in the file that had been addressed to Michael Cohen and which he sent on to me. They are from the two Moshes in L2 on the first page. The Moshe from New Square (Spring Valley) states that the line of descent was from Pesach, then Efraim Shmuel, then Pesach and Feiga, and then, Sholem. The other Moshe from Brooklyn was less precise about the line of descent but said that Sholem had two brothers, Meir of Bircza and Shimon of Lancut. I think that this is where the confusion has crept in over time. Efraim Shmuel probably did have a son named Pesach who undoubtedly had a wife named Feiga. David may also have had a son named Pesach....and possibly, he, too had multiple wives, one of whom was the daughter of Z.E. And, Yeheskiel, by clear documentary evidence had a son named Pesach who appears to have had at least two wives: Feiga and Beila being two of them. Now, I'd like to hear some commentary on how we can untangle this. Joel is going to talk with some people from Sholem's line of descent to try to get more detail. I've also sent him Mr. Wieder's phone number. Everyone wants to claim the same Pesach but what about all the men named Pesach who lived at the same time whom no one has claimed. Give them a break, guys!!! Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256714.006997D3; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:13:21 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36604; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:13:32 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA48800 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:13:36 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-39-9.s9.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.9]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA21378; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:13:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36C1D9F4.6F91@erols.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:11:48 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: L4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: L4 PostedDate: 02/10/99 02:11:48 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/10/99 02:13:25 PM-02/10/99 02:13:26 PM,02/10/99 02:13:25 PM-02/10/99 02:13:26 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/10/99 02:13:26 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe and Yedidyah, Joel Geier called me to apologize for his tardy reply to my letter. He is on board and very enthusiastic. He is now retired. He has offered to do anything necessary to help out. He grew up with Yiddish so he still has a fairly good familiarity with it. He had an excellent religious background so he is comfortable with Hebrew, religious literature, etc. All told, a real find. His e-mail address is jgeier@earthlink.net. He's not completely comfortable with computers but this is his son's profession (hmmm, interesting, yes?) so maybe the son can take over the job of entering the family data until Joel is comfortable with Family Tree Maker. It's a pretty simple program and that shouldn't take long. Joel was told that his ancestor, Pesach, had two or three wives and he has always been puzzled by our having L2 and L4 separated. I think we talked through why it is unlikely that the Pesach of L2 is different from the Pesach of L4. However, he noted that his ancestor Pesach who died in about 1916 at about 85+ years old, seems to have married unusually late. He was in his 40s when he started having children. I wondered if, perhaps, Pesach had been married before and had another whole family about whom we know nothing. Perhaps, he said. He plans to interview a number of people from his line and others to try to find out more. He also has some very specific information as to why Z.E. took the name Spira. He actually visited the grave in Poland of the man who was said to be our Spira ancestor. He was the author of a book (series of books?) on Gematra. Joel also has a relationship with Neil Rosenstein. I put them together at the time that Neil was completing his second volume of Unbroken Chain so that also will be an advantage. I haven't heard from either of you in sometime. You are probably thinking that I've lost it with my last series of e-mails. I'm sure that my tendency to share the inner workings of my thinking process isn't worth responding to. I will begin crafting a coherent report on what I've been doing later today and get it mailed off to both of you as soon as I can. I want to get Joel started too. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256713.004B96F8; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:45:38 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12308; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:45:50 -0500 Received: from squeak.ascinet.com (squeak.ascinet.com [206.152.227.25]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA58540 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:45:53 -0500 Received: from Phyllis (tc1ppp39.ascinet.com [206.153.26.167]) by squeak.ascinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21235 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:50:53 -0500 Message-Id: <001b01be5431$df6017e0$0400a8c0@Phyllis> From: phyllis@ivesearch.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: pesach langsam Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:41:18 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE5407.F62E8260" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 $FILE: SMTPOriginator: phyllis@ivesearch.com From: phyllis@ivesearch.com Subject: Re: pesach langsam PostedDate: 02/09/99 08:41:18 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/09/99 08:45:48 AM-02/09/99 08:45:50 AM,02/09/99 08:45:45 AM-02/09/99 08:45:46 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/09/99 08:45:47 AM Categories: $Revisions: I believe the book had a blue cover and am not sure what the names were on the outside. Unfortunately we are not moving until June and have no idea what box the book is in. I will however check with my sister and one of my cousins to see if they might have a copy. My father was one of 5. One sister died at 11 the others were all older Irving,Lillian and Martha. Lillian was never married and Martha was married late in life no children. Only Irving with wife Bessie who I never knew as they were divorced had two sons Ralph and Herbert Langsam. Ralph with his wife lives in Palm Beach Gardens and he has twin daughters Carol and Diane. Herbert like my father was a pharmacist. Extremely successful with nursing homes lives in Okla.City has one daughter who I never met. -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: phyllis@ivesearch.com Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: Re: pesach langsam I would be very interested in any detail you could provide. Is the digest you speak of a white soft-covered book with the title Langsam~Spira Family? Have you had a chance to check out my website at: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm I would be interested in anything you could tell me. Thanks! -Moishe phyllis@ivesearch.com Monday February 8, 1999 04:13 PM To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential cc: Subject: pesach langsam You wrote to my brother-in-law Joel Ives about Pesach Langsam. That was my father's hebrew name, English Paul Langsam. When we moved a cousin of ours gave me an entire digest of Langsam's we have not unpacked this as we are in temp housing till our knew house is built. You might have interest in that. If you wish more info about our family my grandfather his children etc. please advise. Only my cousins are alive none of the direct descendants of my grandfather Nathan are. I believe I was named for my fathers grandfather one Ephraim the other Fimeth which one was a Langsam could be in the volume of family tree I alluded to. - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256712.0074FA59; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:17:42 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17722; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:17:54 -0500 Received: from squeak.ascinet.com (squeak.ascinet.com [206.152.227.25]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA58178 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:17:58 -0500 Received: from Phyllis (tc1ppp47.ascinet.com [206.153.26.175]) by squeak.ascinet.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22747 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:22:45 -0500 Message-Id: <002f01be53a7$de77f580$0400a8c0@Phyllis> From: phyllis@ivesearch.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: pesach langsam Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE537D.F54E0120" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 $FILE: SMTPOriginator: phyllis@ivesearch.com From: phyllis@ivesearch.com Subject: pesach langsam PostedDate: 02/08/99 04:13:26 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/08/99 04:17:50 PM-02/08/99 04:17:51 PM,02/08/99 04:17:48 PM-02/08/99 04:17:48 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/08/99 04:17:48 PM Categories: $Revisions: You wrote to my brother-in-law Joel Ives about Pesach Langsam. That was my father's hebrew name, English Paul Langsam. When we moved a cousin of ours gave me an entire digest of Langsam's we have not unpacked this as we are in temp housing till our knew house is built. You might have interest in that. If you wish more info about our family my grandfather his children etc. please advise. Only my cousins are alive none of the direct descendants of my grandfather Nathan are. I believe I was named for my fathers grandfather one Ephraim the other Fimeth which one was a Langsam could be in the volume of family tree I alluded to. - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256712.005B47F3; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:37:01 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12306; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:37:14 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA59734 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:37:16 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-38-51.s51.tnt8.ann.erols.com [207.172.38.51]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07564; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:37:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36BF114D.5F45@erols.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 11:31:09 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Pesach's death Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Pesach's death PostedDate: 02/08/99 11:31:09 AM SendTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/08/99 11:37:05 AM-02/08/99 11:37:07 AM,02/08/99 11:37:03 AM-02/08/99 11:37:06 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/08/99 11:37:06 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hi guys, I have gone over and over this issue so maybe I'm missing something really essential. But, I think I'm right. The early notes on our earliest known Pesach was that he died in about 1810. I don't know where that came from...perhaps it was written somewhere...perhaps it was something we had been told. But 1810 was what we worked with. When the death record from Tyczyn was found a few years ago and it said, 1820, we all assumed that this was "our" Pesach and I, for one, revised my thinking about the old 1810 date. What seems clearer than ever is that there were two Pesach Langsams living in the Tyczyn area: perhaps our common ancestor who probably died in Jawornik in 1810 since that date works a lot better for L4 and another who died in Tyczyn 10 years later, presumably a relative of some kind. I would recommend that we return to 1810 as the probable date of death for our ancestor. This gives us in L4, Pesach being born shortly afterward to Efraim Shmuel and works better with that Pesach becoming the father of Chaim Efraim Shmuel in about 1830. I continue to move along with my generational chart...I have pieces of desk pad paper strewn around my sunroom to help me see the family geographically and generationally. Most interesting way to look at the matter. It would be easier to show you than to tell you and that's what I'm struggling with...a way of communicating coherently about all I'm seeing. Hang in, please. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256710.00516B7E; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:19 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12304; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:31 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA78464 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:35 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-36-53.s53.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.53]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10135; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:49:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36BC553A.4F8E@erols.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 09:44:10 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: L7 and L8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: L7 and L8 PostedDate: 02/06/99 09:44:10 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/06/99 09:49:23 AM-02/06/99 09:49:23 AM,02/06/99 09:49:18 AM-02/06/99 09:49:20 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/06/99 09:49:20 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Cousins, Well, I've gotten so deeply immersed in this stuff that at night, I dream about family trees. Yuck. But it has been good in the sense that I start to operate on a different, higher level of intuition. Almost like a computer. My brain starts to make connections that I am consciously unaware of. Kind of neat in a way. Before I get started, I keep forgetting to tell you, Yedidyah that there is another listing for a Yedidyah Langsam unless you have a second home in the Catskills. The other listing is Fialkoff Bungalows in Monticello. The phone number is 914 794-8256. I have spent much of the week going through my old files and incorporating as much information as possible into the editing process, regardless of which tree it was. I found a small stack of requests for information from Polish archives that were never answered. I found answers for questions that had cropped up over the years but I forgot I had this material. I'm glad I kept all this original stuff. The only thing I don't have is the original material that Michael sent me from the responses he got when he sent out form letters. I know that I incorporated that material in the first edition. Last night I synthesized all of what we know with dates, names for Pesach and Ita's children. Based on the death record showing that a Pesach Langsam died in the Tyczyn area in 1820 at 72, I made the assumption that Pesach and Ita had children between 1760-1783...23 years...and that they could have had 12-15 children during that time (yes, they could have had more). I also made L2 headed by David and I started with Efraim Shmuel as the oldest, then Avraham Abba. Efraim Shmuel is the line that has caused the most difficulty with generational issues so I thought placing his birth at 1760 would afford us the greatest flexibility to play. So: Efraim Shmuel had only one child that we know of but chances are that he had many more and that his son Pesach was born to him late in his life, perhaps even in 1820. That still leaves us with a problem for the birthdate of Pesach's son, Chaim Efraim Shmuel because Pesach would still have been 10 years old. Perhaps Efraim is the source of some of the people who ended up in Tyrawa Woloska and other points south....the lines in H. We know little about L4 when it comes down to it and I have little hope of ever finding records to help us. he least about this whole line. Avraham Abba: Moishe you have amassed a great deal of material which suggests that you have fragments of Miller connections. I know you are reluctant to put the fragments on the tree until you have children of Av. Abba connected up to them. The questions that I keep asking myself are: 1) whether you are certain that A.A. lived his adult life in Slovakia; 2) why Pesach David came back to Galicia from his birthplace and at least one of his children ended up in the small town of Bukowsk from the larger towns of either Dukla or Gorlice (connection with Halberstam there? ) 3) and what happened to our early hypothesis that Shabti was a child of A.A. and that the grandchild Shabti was named after him. Chaim Leib was said to have lived in Blazowa where he married an orphan whose name was not known. His son, my ancestor, was said to be born in 1830. I don't have a problem with that because the family was so closely tied to M.M. of Rymanow but I do have a problem with the timing. This was late to be having children for a man born between 1760-1783. Of course we don't know when his other children were born. I left things as they are. Zvi Elimelech: I left this line as is. Nissel (?): I didn't touch this one. This platform enabled me to examine L2 in a different way. Let us assume that David was born in 1780 and died shortly before 1878 (a child named David was born that year). Let us also assume that he lived Bircza for all or part of his life. He could have been the father of Pesach who lived 1823-1928 and married 2 or 3 times. Pesach, who lived with two of his wives in Szklary near Jawornik, was born in Bircza. I have noticed that no one we know about in L2 was named David until 1878 and the name Pesach doesn't appear at all. We are dealing with some long lived men! I have also noticed that none of the children in Yedidyah's family are in the Jawornik records. Pesach almost certainly lived in Bircza when his older children were born. He was well over 40 when he was having his 2nd and 3rd families and living in Szklary. What to do with Ksiel/Yeheskiel from Manasterez? What to do with Yehoshua/Osias from Manasterez? What to do with Moshe #1 from Manasterez who was married to Ester? There was also a Moshe #2 who was born in 1847 in Manasterez and was married to Feiga Beila March from Siennow where they lived. Ksiel, Osias and Moshe #1 were contemporaries living in a tiny village. They showed up as witnesses for each other's births. Their grandchildren and children intermarried. Well, we could for the sake of convenience say that perhaps they were the children of David and place them tentatively under him but for sure, they were all born too late to be children of Pesach and Ita. We need a connecting generation and I would say that, for now, we adopt David and explain, very simply, the problem in the text. Moshe #2 seems to have been the next generation down. My guess is that he was the son of Osias, brother of Leib born in 1836 in Manasterez. I will chart this all out on big paper and mail each of you a copy so you can see it visually. What we need, Yedidyah is more information from the other descendants of L2 regarding what they believe their ancestry was. Perhaps I could send you some addresses and you could explore this further? It would be interesting to know if their traditions are the same or different as yours. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670F.00605E0A; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:32:35 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22126; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:32:47 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA64896 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:32:51 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-99-74.s74.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.74]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02812; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:32:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36BB2ADA.99C@erols.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 12:31:06 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: father of Pesach Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: father of Pesach PostedDate: 02/05/99 12:31:06 PM SendTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/05/99 12:32:40 PM-02/05/99 12:32:41 PM,02/05/99 12:32:37 PM-02/05/99 12:32:38 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/05/99 12:32:38 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Cousins, While going through the very old files (material I had obtained prior to doing the first book), I found the letter from the town records office in Tyczyn. I had asked them to clarify some of the entries I had made handwritten notes about. One of them was the marriage record of Pesach and Beila Langsam. Pesach was the one who had also been married to Feiga...and we have assumed that he is Yedidyah's ancestor because he lived to be 105 and he may have had 3 marriages...even though we have only documented two. According to the record, Pesach was born in Bircza in 1833. He was the son of Ksiel and Ester Langsam from Manasterez. He died in Szklary in 1928 and was buried two days later. I am writing to ask for a search for Ksiel's death record to see if it says anything about his background. I think that this settles the matter about his identity. He is apparently not the ancestor of Yedidyah. We must look for another Pesach with a long life and three wives. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670F.005681FA; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:44:53 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40500; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:45:06 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15174 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:45:09 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-39-168.s168.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.168]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18008 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:45:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36BB117A.3228@erols.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:42:51 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Miller-Fischel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Miller-Fischel PostedDate: 02/05/99 10:42:51 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/05/99 10:45:03 AM-02/05/99 10:45:03 AM,02/05/99 10:45:00 AM-02/05/99 10:45:01 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/05/99 10:45:01 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I don't know how I missed this one. I've had it in my file cabinet since the early 1980s. I hired Rabbi Shmuel Gorr in Israel to do some research for me. He died shortly after it appeared I had exhausted resources in Israel...little did I know, huh? Well, in addition to Langsams, I asked Rabbi Gorr to explore my Fischel family. I had a very few tentative leads and he interview a man named Paul Fischel in Ramat Gan. He was an elderly survivor who knew very little about his background but he provided a sketchy tree. Paul, himself (Pesach, significantly enough) was born in Bukowsk in 1916. His wife and son were killed in the Holocaust and he never remarried. One of his brothers, Tzvi Hirsch (Herman), was in 1982 living in Montevideo, Uraguay. I never managed to get in touch with Herman. He was born in 1911. The third brother Abraham Eliyahu was killed in the Holocaust. He was born in 1905. The father of these three was Yitzhak Fischel (?) of Bukowsk, born 1882 and killed in 1942. Yitzhak's wife was Sheindel Feibush. Sheindel's sister Nenna Feibush was married to Tzvi Hirsch Meller. I think this is not only significant for my Fischel research but I am now wondering if the Meller connection is yours. Paul could not remember anything about their children. His memory was very hazy about these people. He couldn't remember the name of Mr. Feibush's wife...he did not even remember his wife's maiden name or his brother's wife's name or their children. All had been killed in 1942. I have no idea how to go about finding anyone in Uraguay. Do you? Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670F.0049D274; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:26:20 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23630; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:26:32 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA55780 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:26:36 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-36-236.s236.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.236]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA01122 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:26:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36BAE9C1.38BE@erols.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 07:53:21 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: L3.0 place name References: <8525670F.001AEE30.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: L3.0 place name PostedDate: 02/05/99 07:53:21 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/05/99 08:26:27 AM-02/05/99 08:26:29 AM,02/05/99 08:26:25 AM-02/05/99 08:26:26 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/05/99 08:26:26 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi, > On page 3-3 Moshe Eliezer Geller is listed as Rabbi of Kritsch > In Wunder's work he lists him as ABD Kryptch (phonetic from the Hebrew) > I have a paper from Louie listing the place as Kriptsen > David Waxman has Kritsch on his tree. > I do not see it in WOWW. > Any idea? > -Moishe Rabbi Wunder told me that the surname for this family is Galler, not Geller as we had had in our first edition. I am certain that David Waxman simply took his cue from the family book. The Shtetl Finder by Cohen says the Gallers came from the Yiddish town name of "Kriftch" which is the town of Krzywcza near Przemysl. The entry says: 1912-Benyamin Galler, born 1861, was rabbi here. His father David, at this time rabbi in Nozankovitz, was the son of Abraham Galler, who had been rabbi in Kriftch more than a hundred years earlier. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670F.00481F1E; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:07:45 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA34634; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:07:58 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (vA+lTJof8LpT2YpJPnwedUFn7N4zNitP@bio.bu.edu [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13900 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:08:01 -0500 Received: from [128.197.80.206] (BIO-MAC6.BU.EDU [128.197.80.206]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0)/8.8.8/(BU-S-10/16/98-v1.0a)) with ESMTP id IAA24679 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:07:56 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8525670F.001AEE30.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:09:52 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: L3.0 place name SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: L3.0 place name PostedDate: 02/05/99 08:09:52 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/05/99 08:07:57 AM-02/05/99 08:07:57 AM,02/05/99 08:07:54 AM-02/05/99 08:07:54 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/05/99 08:07:54 AM Categories: $Revisions: I will check; perhaps I made a typo, eg, Kritsch in place of Kriptsh. >Hi, >On page 3-3 Moshe Eliezer Geller is listed as Rabbi of Kritsch >In Wunder's work he lists him as ABD Kryptch (phonetic from the Hebrew) >I have a paper from Louie listing the place as Kriptsen >David Waxman has Kritsch on his tree. >I do not see it in WOWW. >Any idea? >-Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670E.005BC031; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:42:09 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28904; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:42:22 -0500 Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA73196 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:42:26 -0500 From: Adlan@aol.com Received: from Adlan@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7ERBa03537 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:34:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:34:13 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam Website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 SMTPOriginator: Adlan@aol.com From: Adlan@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam Website PostedDate: 02/04/99 11:34:13 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/04/99 11:42:15 AM-02/04/99 11:42:19 AM,02/04/99 11:42:17 AM-02/04/99 11:42:20 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/04/99 11:42:20 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, Thanks for the note on your posting of my messages to you. At this point, I don't think I have any other information. If you do come across anything else, please let us know. Thanks for all your work. Phyllis Langsam Adams $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670E.004AB3F2; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:35:57 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29124; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:36:09 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA35912 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:36:13 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-37-152.s152.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.152]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA25195 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:36:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36B9A1DC.24C@erols.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:34:20 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Pesach Langsam's Wife! References: <8525670E.0022C5BD.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Pesach Langsam's Wife! PostedDate: 02/04/99 08:34:20 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/04/99 08:36:05 AM-02/04/99 08:36:05 AM,02/04/99 08:36:03 AM-02/04/99 08:36:22 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/04/99 08:36:22 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi, > Small breakthrough. Pesach's wife WAS Ita, NOT Rochel Mina. I was pouring > over volume 5 of Me'orei Galicia (Wunder) and found the source for Rochel > Mina. The Blazowa Rebbe claimed that he had the same name as his ancestor, > R' Hersh Mylech; they were both Tzvi Elimelech, son of Rochel Mina. Here is > where the slip up happened. It is a TRUE statement, but the ancestor he > refers to as Tzvi Elimelech was NOT the Bnei Yissochur, but rather his > grandson, as son of R' Dovid Spira. In fact, Wunder even states clearly > that R' Dovid Spira, son of the Bnei Yissochur, and father of a Tzvi > Elimelech, was married to Rochel Mina. > That removes the question of names and everybody is correct. Pesach was > married to Ita and Rochel Mina was in fact the mother of R' Tzvi Elimelech > Spira (the grandson of the Bnei Yissochur, R' Tzvi Elimelech Spira, son of > Pesach Langsam ). > -Moishe > moishe_miller@prusec.com Well, I'm glad that as far as it goes. Of course, Ita was the name that my family source came up with and she never did give me her source so that name is from oral history alone. Now, to our "discussion" yesterday about our problem with Ksiel and where to put him. I can't believe that I forgot this when I said that there was no evidence for his being related. Pesach Langsam of the three wives who lived to 105 had a son named Keizl in 1884. The child died as an infant but the name is certainly a clue that Ksiel the elder was related somehow. He could have been Pesach's uncle or some other kind of relation other than father, though. Given Pesach's own age in 1884, Ksiel could even have been an older brother!!! I am going to have a letter translated next week so that we can request full birth and marriage records for several people in that line. I have badly xeroxed versions that chop off wives or husbands. That might help...or not. I will also ask for a death record for Ksiel since we have a vague idea of when he died. I thought I had seen all of the death records but maybe I passed over his without noticing. Ksiel was a witness at various Langsam births so I know that he was still living into the 1880s. But, for now, I am still inclined to create a separate line for Ksiel. I am still struck by the fact that Ksiel's descendants were not given names like the rest of the Langsam family. On the other hand, that is not definitive and I don't mean to suggest that it is. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670E.004857D7; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:10:10 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16034; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:10:23 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (5EXNzfEn37bWYj5MY3fxIj2QiWeKKkXv@BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11494 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:10:25 -0500 Received: from [128.197.80.202] (BIO-MAC2.BU.EDU [128.197.80.202]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0)/8.8.8/(BU-S-10/16/98-v1.0a)) with ESMTP id IAA21209 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:10:20 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8525670E.0008B92C.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:12:16 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: FTM file SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: FTM file PostedDate: 02/04/99 08:12:16 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/04/99 08:10:22 AM-02/04/99 08:10:22 AM,02/04/99 08:10:19 AM-02/04/99 08:10:20 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/04/99 08:10:20 AM Categories: $Revisions: ok. sounds good. david >If you like, I can include the generation report as it is produced by FTM, >as well, on the web. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670D.00612AD1; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:41:19 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19292; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:41:32 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (RdON4ePa8sXysEpXFjfE8TfpGGpNOn4u@BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA58542 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:41:35 -0500 Received: from [128.197.80.219] (BIO-MAC19.BU.EDU [128.197.80.219]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0)/8.8.8/(BU-S-10/16/98-v1.0a)) with ESMTP id MAA00512; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:41:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:43:25 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: FTM file Cc: djw@bio.bu.edu SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: FTM file PostedDate: 02/03/99 12:43:25 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: djw@bio.bu.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/03/99 12:41:23 PM-02/03/99 12:41:23 PM,02/03/99 12:41:22 PM-02/03/99 12:41:22 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/03/99 12:41:22 PM Categories: $Revisions: >Regarding what to include in your Web site from the Yeshaya David Spira >branch, I suggest a total of 5 generations, Yeshya David plus 3 more. Correction: 4 generations: YD plus 3 more. sorry! >You >may include years of birth/passing, but it would be better (at least at this >stage) to not include the full birth dates (ie., born 1923, rather than born >4/6/1923). I would, of course, like to see a draft of the web page before >you finalize/post it. > >david $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670D.001DCAE0; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:25:24 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15848; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:25:28 -0500 Received: from relay1.bu.edu (RELAY1.BU.EDU [128.197.153.99]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA64788 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:25:16 -0500 Received: from Waxman (PPP-95-1.BU.EDU [128.197.9.153]) by relay1.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.b5.ACS)/) with SMTP id AAA23259; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:58:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990205034508.006cc0d0@acs-mail.bu.edu> X-Sender: djw@acs-mail.bu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_918204308==_" Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:45:08 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bu.edu Subject: FTM file Cc: djw@bio.bu.edu X-Attachments: D:\FamTreeMaker\Langsam-Spira Family.FBC; $FILE: SMTPOriginator: djw@bu.edu From: djw@bu.edu Subject: FTM file PostedDate: 02/04/99 10:45:08 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: djw@bio.bu.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/03/99 12:25:35 AM-02/03/99 01:26:15 AM,02/03/99 01:26:19 AM-02/03/99 01:27:31 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/03/99 01:27:31 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, attached is the excerpted file that we spoke of earlier today. Of the 1450+ individuals in my full family tree, about 600 are included in the attached file, which incorporates all of the Pesach Langsam descendents presently entered in my file. Please note that the only branch that I can take direct responsibility for is that of Yeshaya David Spira and his descendents. The other information incorporated into my tree is largely from Suzan Wynne's 1986 book. Note also that there are important factual differences between her book and your Web site tree; I presume that you accessed earlier/better/more detailed archival sources for the early generations. Regarding what to include in your Web site from the Yeshaya David Spira branch, I suggest a total of 5 generations, Yeshya David plus 3 more. You may include years of birth/passing, but it would be better (at least at this stage) to not include the full birth dates (ie., born 1923, rather than born 4/6/1923). I would, of course, like to see a draft of the web page before you finalize/post it. david - Langsam-Spira Family.FBC $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670D.000FADD7; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:15 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28092; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:27 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA52074 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:29 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-113-45.s45.tnt5.ann.erols.com [207.172.113.45]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16904 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:51:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36B7B6CF.46CE@erols.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:40:55 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: L3 References: <8525670C.005AF00E.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: L3 PostedDate: 02/02/99 09:40:55 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/02/99 09:51:27 PM-02/02/99 09:51:28 PM,02/02/99 09:51:22 PM-02/02/99 09:51:23 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/02/99 09:51:23 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Suzan, > Thanks for your response! One quick note regarding Kishiel. I have had > similar questions in certain branches in my line. We had one branch where > there were no "Raphael Mejer" names. > Subsequently, I unearthed a death record for a child that only lived a few > months with that name. In another case I found out that a father-in-law, > still living, had the name Mejer. There can be countless reasons why the > name does not show up in the line. > Any objections to naming it L7? Yes, I think to include it as L7 is to suggest that we know that Ksiel is Pesach's son from some source...we don't know that from any living source for sure. In fact, I have not been successful in locating anyone from Ksiel's line. There was one man who came here and he died in Arizona. I don't know if he had any children. Pretty much everyone else either died young or stayed in Poland and perished. We actually have more evidence for other lines to be L7. Let's see how this plays out before making that decision. Suzan > I welcome your feedback. > -Moishe > > srwynne@erols.com > Tuesday February 2, 1999 10:03 AM > > Please respond to srwynne@erols.com > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670C.008061B2; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:22:16 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10386; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:22:28 -0500 Received: from academic.touro.edu (academic.touro.edu [192.245.89.2]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA81116 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:22:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (averymh@localhost) by academic.touro.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14806 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:22:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:22:48 -0500 (EST) From: averymh@academic.touro.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Family Tree In-Reply-To: <8525670A.006CCA4E.00@notes.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: averymh@academic.touro.edu From: averymh@academic.touro.edu Subject: Re: Family Tree PostedDate: 02/02/99 06:22:48 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/02/99 06:22:20 PM-02/02/99 06:22:21 PM,02/02/99 06:22:16 PM-02/02/99 06:22:17 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/02/99 06:22:17 PM Categories: $Revisions: On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > Still busy? > -Moishe > 212 214 3580 > I'm ready to do some work on the tree. I'm not even sure what my next step is, but I intend to pull out all my papers on the Eckstein side and see what I come up with. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. (Perhaps we could get together one day or evening.) I looked at the web site. It's great. AVERY **************************************** * Dr. Avery M. Horowitz * * Associate Dean of Students * * for Advisement and Counseling * * Touro College * * 1602 Avenue J * * Brooklyn, NY 11230 * * 718-252-7800 ext 253 * * averymh@touro.edu * **************************************** $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670C.005E77E3; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:11:50 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22742; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:12:02 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA73124 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:12:05 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p41-clv2-ts7.en.net [207.180.210.233]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15633 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:09:38 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:03:48 -0500 Message-Id: <000601be4ecd$ffd58c80$e9d2b4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0053B710.00@notes.prusec.com> SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree PostedDate: 02/02/99 12:03:48 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/02/99 12:12:00 PM-02/02/99 12:12:02 PM,02/02/99 12:11:57 PM-02/02/99 12:11:59 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/02/99 12:11:59 PM Categories: $Revisions: The file is too big to send. I've tried sending it several times and it ties up my telephone line too long. I'll actually be in New York I"yH from the 8th (arriving about 10 am and leaving on the 11th about 9AM)- could it wait until then? I'm still looking for Yehudah Friedman's address. I see what's on the front page is inadequate. I'm sure I saved his address, but where? Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 10:14 AM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > Can I get an interim file? I will NOT merge it into what I have, > so you can > replace it at will. I would just like to get a look at the scope. > > > > > lmagyar@en.com > Monday February 1, 1999 > > Please respond to lmagyar@en.com > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > > > I use FTmaker version 4.4. I still have quite a bit more to post, > especially > from the Uri branch. I hope to get to it in Late February or > March. I'll be > in New York for two or three days March 9th-11th and for several days > around > March 22nd (before and after). > > Louis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 7:31 PM > > To: lmagyar@en.com > > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > > > > What genealogy software are you using for your Schonfeld tree? Can I get > a > > GEDCOM copy, or if you use Family Tree Maker, can I get your .ftw? > > -Moishe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670C.0052DEF5; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:05:10 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA42280; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:05:22 -0500 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA54142 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:05:25 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-36-70.s70.tnt6.ann.erols.com [207.172.36.70]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA27347 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:05:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36B713DB.2469@erols.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:03:55 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: L3 References: <8525670C.001D6E6F.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: L3 PostedDate: 02/02/99 10:03:55 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/02/99 10:05:19 AM-02/02/99 10:05:37 AM,02/02/99 10:05:32 AM-02/02/99 10:05:36 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/02/99 10:05:36 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Suzan, > Yedidya and I both strongly agree on the other rabbinical factors of our > mutual lineage. I think perhaps at least I did not make my feelings clear. > I would like L3 connected, NOT for its place in Jewish history, but because > of its Langsam descent. It is the same reason I am pursuing Eckstein (L6?) > The Wunder angle is great, but I think we might not be able to afford it. I > would like to find some family member(s) in Israel willing to research for > the sake of the tree, for no compensation whatsoever. In other words, > another family genealogist. > Lastly, Suzan, please advise us at to what changes, if any, need to now be > made to my Langsam picture, as it appears on the 'net. > Thanks! > -Moishe > > PS: I already contacted David Waxman. Thanks! Moishe, I'm sorry....I thought I sent my comments about the website. Here goes. In general, it is pretty accurate as we know it, but L2 continues the problem we had before. David and Kishiel are separate people. L2 ought to reflect David as the son of Pesach. Take Moshe and put him aside with Kishiel. Kishiel had other children too but we just don't know if or how that whole line is related to us. I have no documentary evidence that there is a relationship. Mostly is was my assumptions that drove the issue. Kishiel's children and grandchildren no not include a single Pesach or Zvi Elimelech...a striking deviation from other lines. Perhaps Kishiel was Pesach's brother or a cousin. Or, perhaps Kishiel got his surname the same way that Pesach got his from the same official. It's hard to say but we must remove him from the L sections and place him and his offspring in an H section. We will, no doubt have more to say on L4 as we proceed to gather more information but as you have it is as we know it. You might want to add some tidbits from the book because we are struggling with attracting new information and a coordinator. I'm unable to access the SITEMAP you reference. I can get to the website through JewishGen. Is there access through that means that I'm unaware of? I think that this is what you are more concerned with at this point but I just don't seem to be able to get there. Oh, yes, Kishiel's wife is Ester with no h but we don't know who David's wife was. I suggest that you remove Moses from Pesach's children in L2. He is Kishiel's son for sure. Thanks for your responding to my concern about the Pre-Pesach figures. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670C.0051659A; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:49:04 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20246; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:49:15 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (6AZDeLZ6FqiGYIcCpC1xbirTvWRW5+E/@BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA80470 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:49:18 -0500 Received: from [128.197.80.203] (BIO-MAC3.BU.EDU [128.197.80.203]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0)/8.8.8/(BU-S-10/16/98-v1.0a)) with ESMTP id JAA24530 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:49:14 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8525670C.00509BE6.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:51:11 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: Langsam-Spira Family Tree SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Re: Langsam-Spira Family Tree PostedDate: 02/02/99 09:51:11 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/02/99 09:49:10 AM-02/02/99 09:49:11 AM,02/02/99 09:49:05 AM-02/02/99 09:49:06 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/02/99 09:49:06 AM Categories: $Revisions: >Quickly, >I received your note, am leaving to work now, will read my email again when >I get to NYC. Can I call you at at 11:30? >-Moishe ok. My work tel. is 617-353-7405. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670C.004FC880; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:31:26 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29620; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:31:36 -0500 Received: from bio.bu.edu (FZX9aGOL9iAaUIRHZtFBgKcXBIn1qQYV@BIO.BU.EDU [128.197.80.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA59678 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:31:39 -0500 Received: from [128.197.80.203] (BIO-MAC3.BU.EDU [128.197.80.203]) by bio.bu.edu ((8.8.8.buoit.v1.0)/8.8.8/(BU-S-10/16/98-v1.0a)) with ESMTP id JAA23999 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:31:35 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1294156483==_ma============" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8525670C.001CDFF1.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:33:31 -0500 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Langsam-Spira Family Tree SMTPOriginator: djw@bio.bu.edu From: djw@bio.bu.edu Subject: Langsam-Spira Family Tree PostedDate: 02/02/99 09:33:31 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/02/99 09:31:37 AM-02/02/99 09:31:39 AM,02/02/99 09:31:33 AM-02/02/99 09:31:34 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/02/99 09:31:34 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, FANTASTIC! What more can I say? Suzan called me last night and I am of course eager to join in the project. My L3 tree (now mostly entered into FTMaker v 5.0) is primarily that of Zvi Elimelech SPIRA's son Mesulum Zishe's descendents. I now have quite complete information on the descendents of Meshulum's son Yeshaya Dovid down to the present day. My FTM file also incorporates all of my other family branches (eg., those on my mother's side), with over 1400 individuals entered at present. Is that a problem? Is there a simple way to trim them from the file before sending it? Or is that not necessary/not desireable? Can you accept my FTM file as an email attachment, or would a Gedcom excerpt be more useful? As I mentioned to Suzan, I am still in the process of upgrading and entering new information. So while I am happy to send to you what I now have so that you can judge where things stand, you should not presume it to be a 'final' copy. Two other questions: Have you encountered problems/concerns about Web publishing personal details concerning individuals presently alive? Some relatives have expressed concerns about this, and I'd like to know how you have dealt with it. Second, in what form do you intend to publish the tree, and how will you deal with the issue of their being several collaborators and contributors to the overall project? (This last question is coming from an Academic who deals with questions of publication and authorship all the time!). david (b. 1955) (Perhaps you find it useful, as I do, to have a general idea of the age of people who you deal with in family geneology). David J. Waxman, Ph.D. Professor of Cell and Molecular Biology, Boston University Professor of Medicine, Boston University School of Medicine Department of Biology Division of Cell and Molecular Biology Boston University 5 Cummington Street Boston, MA 02215-2406 U.S.A. E-mail: djw@bio.bu.edu Home Phone: 617-244-6916 Home address: 30 Clements Rd., Newton, MA 02458-2618 Fax: 617-353-7404 Web Page: http://bio.bu.edu/Faculty/faculty-research/X23213.html >Dear David Waxman, >Suzan mentioned that you had input your portion of the tree into FTM and >that you might be interested in participating in our project. We are trying >to do a re-write of the Langsam~Spira book. I come from the L1 branch of >the book, you come from L3. I have a website devoted to our mutual family, >highlighting mostly my branch. You can view it at >http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm >or the direct page for Langsam at >http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm >Please note that clicking on the image of the tree on the page will take >you back to the home page. >Are you able to take on the revision of the entire L3 branch? I am >currently pursuing two of R' Zvi Elimelech's children, Rivka Uri and Sara >Schonfeld. Yedidya Langsam probably accounts for part of one other. I >should be meeting with Leo Hirsch, one of the Uri descendents, tomorrow >night. >Anyhow, I would really appreciate an .fbc or .ftw of whatever you have >already done, just to see the scope and style. If you have other branches >there, not related, I can easily prune them off. I maintain the style guide >for our group and would like to see what you have done, before I send you >our guidelines. New input and ideas are always good, and that is what your >tree would represent. >I look forward to your response. >-Moishe >moishe_miller@prusec.com Dear Moishe, FANTASTIC! What more can I say? Suzan called me last night and I am of course eager to join in the project. My L3 tree (now mostly entered into FTMaker v 5.0) is primarily that of Zvi Elimelech SPIRA's son Mesulum Zishe's descendents. I now have quite complete information on the descendents of Meshulum's son Yeshaya Dovid down to the present day. My FTM file also incorporates all of my other family branches (eg., those on my mother's side), with over 1400 individuals entered at present. Is that a problem? Is there a simple way to trim them from the file before sending it? Or is that not necessary/not desireable? Can you accept my FTM file as an email attachment, or would a Gedcom excerpt be more useful? As I mentioned to Suzan, I am still in the process of upgrading and entering new information. So while I am happy to send to you what I now have so that you can judge where things stand, you should not presume it to be a 'final' copy. Two other questions: Have you encountered problems/concerns about Web publishing personal details concerning individuals presently alive? Some relatives have expressed concerns about this, and I'd like to know how you have dealt with it. Second, in what form do you intend to publish the tree, and how will you deal with the issue of their being several collaborators and contributors to the overall project? (This last question is coming from an Academic who deals with questions of publication and authorship all the time!). david (b. 1955) (Perhaps you find it useful, as I do, to have a general idea of the age of people who you deal with in family geneology). David J. Waxman, Ph.D. Professor of Cell and Molecular Biology, Boston University Professor of Medicine, Boston University School of Medicine Department of Biology Division of Cell and Molecular Biology Boston University 5 Cummington Street Boston, MA 02215-2406 U.S.A. E-mail: djw@bio.bu.edu Home Phone: 617-244-6916 Home address: 30 Clements Rd., Newton, MA 02458-2618 Fax: 617-353-7404 Web Page: http://bio.bu.edu/Faculty/faculty-research/X23213.html >Dear David Waxman, >Suzan mentioned that you had input your portion of the tree into FTM and >that you might be interested in participating in our project. We are trying >to do a re-write of the Langsam~Spira book. I come from the L1 branch of >the book, you come from L3. I have a website devoted to our mutual family, >highlighting mostly my branch. You can view it at >http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm >or the direct page for Langsam at >http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm >Please note that clicking on the image of the tree on the page will take >you back to the home page. >Are you able to take on the revision of the entire L3 branch? I am >currently pursuing two of R' Zvi Elimelech's children, Rivka Uri and Sara >Schonfeld. Yedidya Langsam probably accounts for part of one other. I >should be meeting with Leo Hirsch, one of the Uri descendents, tomorrow >night. >Anyhow, I would really appreciate an .fbc or .ftw of whatever you have >already done, just to see the scope and style. If you have other branches >there, not related, I can easily prune them off. I maintain the style guide >for our group and would like to see what you have done, before I send you >our guidelines. New input and ideas are always good, and that is what your >tree would represent. >I look forward to your response. >-Moishe >moishe_miller@prusec.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670C.000DCE32; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:47 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40642; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:58 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA84108 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:31:01 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-56-100.s100.tnt12.ann.erols.com [207.172.56.100]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id VAA02001; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:30:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36B66312.59AE@erols.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:29:38 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: David Waxman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: David Waxman PostedDate: 02/01/99 09:29:38 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/01/99 09:30:51 PM-02/01/99 09:30:52 PM,02/01/99 09:30:47 PM-02/01/99 09:30:48 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/01/99 09:30:48 PM Categories: $Revisions: David Waxman just called me back and we had a terrific conversation. About a month ago, he got Family Tree Maker and entered his 1500 names. He constructed his tree as a single document so he has his mother's other side and the Waxman family as well as his Spira connection to L3 (Meshullam Zusia). But I told him we'd sort this out. I will mail him a copy of the style guide unless you want to e-mail it, Moishe. His e-mail address is djw@bio.bu.edu. He's very much on board and is willing to help where he can with the larger issue of L3. As I mentioned, I have spent some time trying to focus on the H section. I found myself noticing something I never noticed before. In all of the L and H branches, there are approximately 25-30 names of males prior to emigration to the US. Every family branch has some variations, of course, with some names showing up and some not showing up, but I noted every male name I found. I can't tell you how unusual this is. It must be related to the fact that we had so many cousin marriages in Europe! I've done a mini chapter on this issue because it may be interesting to track the names that have been selected as "street names" in most Langsam branches. I strongly suspect that Hebrew names remain the same behind all of those "American" names. Moishe, I hope you got my faxed material earlier today. I don't have much more to contribute to L3. I know you all consider this extremely important. I'm much more concerned about the generations before because that is much more related to my yichus...and yours, too, Moishe. We had so many rabbis and scholars who contributed so much more than Zvi Elimelech to scholarship and I would be very disappointed to see us underplay that history. It is a deep and rich history, though admittedly not Hasidic. I still think we need to consider hiring Meir Wunder to help out with that background research and working on the Israeli connections. I sense silence on the receiving end of this suggestion so I guess we won't but we need to come up with a strategy for tackling Israel. Must run. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670B.005B5B27; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:51 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41082; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:38:03 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA50560 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:38:06 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-40-22.s22.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.22]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id LAA01348 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:38:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36B5D817.270@erols.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:36:39 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Oscar/Yehoshua Langsam in Israel References: <8525670B.00549BB0.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Oscar/Yehoshua Langsam in Israel PostedDate: 02/01/99 11:36:39 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/01/99 11:37:57 AM-02/01/99 11:37:58 AM,02/01/99 11:37:54 AM-02/01/99 11:37:55 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/01/99 11:37:55 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Can you forward to me what Oscar sent you, as is? Let me see if I can't > import the attachment. Can you also send him a note asking him to send the > attachment to me directly? > As for Honig, can I get a copy of the original she sent, either email or > FAX? I am meeting with one Leo Hirsch tomorrow night. He is an Uri > descendent. I would like to have as much of a backdrop as possible. If you > can fax, my work fax is 212 214 1354. > Thanks! > -Moishe > > PS: I spoke with Yedidya last night. He said that from his standpoint, all > that needs to change on my Langsam webpage is to remove the name Kishiel > from his link. Do you require any other changes at this time? > > srwynne@erols.com > Monday February 1, 1999 09:14 AM > > Please respond to srwynne@erols.com > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Re: Oscar/Yehoshua Langsam in Israel > > moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > All I know is what you told me. I have his email address. Check it out > at: > > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm > > Moishe, Yehoshua keeps e-mailing me stuff that comes out in a code I > can't read. I have repeatedly told him that I can't read it. I've begun > to wonder about his sanity...remember the cigar man? Same kind of stuff > and, interestingly, I have concluded that both are in L4, though I can't > tell you how. In any event, Yehoshua/Oscar has tried to send me family > trees, a newsletter that he does. Perhaps I should just forward them to > you next time. Maybe you'll be able to read them. > > I am now going to look at what Sarah Honig sent to me some years ago > regarding her Uri ancestry. Her tree was good but not presented in tree > form so I have a narrative version which will have to be converted. > This will take some time. > > Suzan I'll try to type up what I have in coherent form and fax it today. I lost all of my e-mail history in the crash of the other week and I can't get a message through to Oscar without having it bounce. I know that I forwarded e-mails to you in the past. Perhaps you still have them in your "trash" collection. Mine is all gone. suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670B.0054869F; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:23:14 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11440; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:23:27 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA30876 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:23:29 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p26-clv2-ts8.en.net [207.78.11.105]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28466 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:21:05 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:15:21 -0500 Message-Id: <000101be4df5$af21b260$690b4ecf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0053ABF1.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree PostedDate: 02/01/99 10:15:21 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/01/99 10:23:21 AM-02/01/99 10:23:21 AM,02/01/99 10:23:18 AM-02/01/99 10:23:21 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/01/99 10:23:21 AM Categories: $Revisions: It is on the first page of the booklet I sent you. LOuis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 10:13 AM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > Please send me Yehuda Friedman's address/telephone. > > > > lmagyar@en.com > Monday February 1, 1999 > > Please respond to lmagyar@en.com > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > > > I prefer not to approach him or his brother. Each of the last two years > that > I have met with > either of them it has cost me $1,000. I think others can get the > infomation > from them a lot cheaper. > > Louis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 7:21 PM > > To: lmagyar@en.com > > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > > > > I would prefer to find a family member to volunteer the > co-ordination, or > > failing that, can you solicit the information directly from Akiva > > Gottleib? > > -Moishe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670B.004E5694; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:15:39 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA37454; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:15:51 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17818 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:15:55 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-40-22.s22.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.22]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id JAA29911 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:15:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36B5B6C2.37AC@erols.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:14:26 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Oscar/Yehoshua Langsam in Israel References: <8525670A.0051547B.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Oscar/Yehoshua Langsam in Israel PostedDate: 02/01/99 09:14:26 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 02/01/99 09:15:43 AM-02/01/99 09:15:44 AM,02/01/99 09:15:40 AM-02/01/99 09:15:41 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 02/01/99 09:15:42 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi, > All I know is what you told me. I have his email address. Check it out at: > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm Moishe, Yehoshua keeps e-mailing me stuff that comes out in a code I can't read. I have repeatedly told him that I can't read it. I've begun to wonder about his sanity...remember the cigar man? Same kind of stuff and, interestingly, I have concluded that both are in L4, though I can't tell you how. In any event, Yehoshua/Oscar has tried to send me family trees, a newsletter that he does. Perhaps I should just forward them to you next time. Maybe you'll be able to read them. I am now going to look at what Sarah Honig sent to me some years ago regarding her Uri ancestry. Her tree was good but not presented in tree form so I have a narrative version which will have to be converted. This will take some time. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670B.000DB567; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:29:44 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18294; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:29:55 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA32160 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:29:58 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p10-clv2-ts4.en.net [207.180.218.202]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07799 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:27:35 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:21:51 -0500 Message-Id: <000201be4d89$a0f01720$eedab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0002D6C6.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree PostedDate: 01/31/99 09:21:51 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/31/99 09:29:52 PM-01/31/99 09:29:54 PM,01/31/99 09:29:50 PM-01/31/99 09:29:51 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/31/99 09:29:51 PM Categories: $Revisions: I use FTmaker version 4.4. I still have quite a bit more to post, especially from the Uri branch. I hope to get to it in Late February or March. I'll be in New York for two or three days March 9th-11th and for several days around March 22nd (before and after). Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 7:31 PM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > What genealogy software are you using for your Schonfeld tree? Can I get a > GEDCOM copy, or if you use Family Tree Maker, can I get your .ftw? > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670B.000DB55D; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:29:43 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29052; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:29:56 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA83376 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:29:59 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p10-clv2-ts4.en.net [207.180.218.202]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07791 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:27:33 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:21:49 -0500 Message-Id: <000101be4d89$9f5d4220$eedab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525670B.0001F7BB.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree PostedDate: 01/31/99 09:21:49 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/31/99 09:29:46 PM-01/31/99 09:29:46 PM,01/31/99 09:29:43 PM-01/31/99 09:29:44 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/31/99 09:29:44 PM Categories: $Revisions: I prefer not to approach him or his brother. Each of the last two years that I have met with either of them it has cost me $1,000. I think others can get the infomation from them a lot cheaper. Louis > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 7:21 PM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > I would prefer to find a family member to volunteer the co-ordination, or > failing that, can you solicit the information directly from Akiva > Gottleib? > -Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670A.007B1F64; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:24:49 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15726; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:25:01 -0500 Received: from dub-img-12.compuserve.com (dub-img-12.compuserve.com [149.174.206.142]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22796 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:25:03 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id RAA11004; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:23:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:23:30 -0500 From: 106607.620@compuserve.com Subject: Uri Family Tree Sender: 106607.620@compuserve.com To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, neurolevy@datacomm.ch, moishe_miller@prusec.com, Neil185@aol.com, lmagyar@en.com, hosp@voicenet.com, srwynne@erols.com Message-Id: <199901311723_MC2-68AA-6F4E@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: 106607.620@compuserve.com From: 106607.620@compuserve.com Subject: Uri Family Tree PostedDate: 01/31/99 05:23:30 PM SendTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,neurolevy@datacomm.ch,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,Neil185@aol.com,lmagyar@en.com,hosp@voicenet.com,srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/31/99 05:24:57 PM-01/31/99 05:24:57 PM,01/31/99 05:24:54 PM-01/31/99 05:24:55 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/31/99 05:24:55 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear friends and relatives, Thank you, Moishe, for the initial mail and you, Louis, for the first responses. During the 12 years I tried to understand the connection between my wife (she is the descendant of all these famous Rabbis, not me) and the Dynower Rebbe, I noticed a lot of contradictions in several sources. Some of them, I managed to solve, others are still not clear to me. I read all your questions, Moishe, and I will try to answer what I can in a following mail. Today I have to inform you, that Sam Fish (cousin of my wife's grandparents and father-in-law of David Sheby, who also receives these messages) has passed away 10 days ago. It was him who gave me the first hints as to the relationship of the Fish family to the Uri and Spira ancestry. Unfortunately I never met him, we only corresponded by mail and I will miss his letters, which were full of knowledge and humour. Best regards Daniel Teichman Zurich, Switzerland e-mail: Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch P.S. 1. Please note that my father-in-law has a new e-mail address: neurolevy@datacomm.ch 2. I have two e-mail addresses, it's enough to send mail to daniel.teichman@vsao.ch and not also to 106607.620@compuserve.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670A.0074C91E; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:15:36 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41208; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:15:47 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA45274 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:15:51 -0500 From: MANNYHITEK@aol.com Received: from MANNYHITEK@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DKWTa20554 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:09:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <689babe9.36b4c674@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:09:08 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 SMTPOriginator: MANNYHITEK@aol.com From: MANNYHITEK@aol.com Subject: Re: Family PostedDate: 01/31/99 04:09:08 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/31/99 04:15:48 PM-01/31/99 04:15:49 PM,01/31/99 04:15:45 PM-01/31/99 04:15:46 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/31/99 04:15:46 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moish! I forwarded your request for info to the Chasidishe side of my family - my wife. Kol Tuv, Menachim $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670A.00706877; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:27:47 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18368; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:28:00 -0500 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA54628 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:28:03 -0500 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa10216; 31 Jan 99 12:26 PST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Quick Fix In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:01:56 EST." <8525670A.006E0D01.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:26:43 -0800 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9901311226.aa10216@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: Quick Fix PostedDate: 01/31/99 03:26:43 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/31/99 03:27:51 PM-01/31/99 03:27:52 PM,01/31/99 03:27:49 PM-01/31/99 03:27:50 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/31/99 03:27:50 PM Categories: $Revisions: > Please change the L4 link on the langsam/langsam.htm page to debie1.txt. I > will address the other issues this week. Done. Any word from Krynica about Moshe Stern? dan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670A.006E32D5; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:03:39 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15690; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:03:51 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA54694 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:03:54 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p30-clv2-ts1.en.net [207.180.218.30]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA05938; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:01:29 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: 106607.620@compuserve.com, Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch, srwynne@erols.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, levy@eye.ch, Neil185@aol.com, hosp@voicenet.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:55:46 -0500 Message-Id: <000301be4d53$b15c67c0$1edab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525670A.006AB7CF.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree PostedDate: 01/31/99 02:55:46 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: 106607.620@compuserve.com,Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch,srwynne@erols.com,langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,levy@eye.ch,Neil185@aol.com,hosp@voicenet.com ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/31/99 03:03:45 PM-01/31/99 03:03:46 PM,01/31/99 03:03:42 PM-01/31/99 03:03:42 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/31/99 03:03:42 PM Categories: $Revisions: -Moishe, I just wanted to make sure that we don't neglect Sender Uri's descendants including Rabbis Pinchas Arye Gottlieb (of the Yeshiva Darkei Pekudecha and the one who wrote the genealogy ad in Hamodia asking for information on descendants of the B.Y.)and Akiva Gottlieb. They are also einiklach of the Stropkover Rov (Arthur Kurzweil's illustrious ancestor). They told me that the Brand family of Palota, Slovakia and Jerusalem are part of the Uri line as well. They have additional names as well. For this and other obvious reasons, I think we need a liaison in Israel to investigate further. I suggest either Rabbi Meir Wunder, who just recently retired (compulsory retirement) from his position at the Hebrew University Library or Yehuda Friedman, whose wrote the work you cited in an earlier message. Meir Wunder may be the obvious choice, but if financing becomes an issue, Yehuda Friedman may be significantly less expensive to hire. I would also like to bring to everyone's attention a reprinted Sefer, Magen Shaul, written by Rabbi Shaul Yecheskal Greenfeld. It was reprinted, annotated, enhanced recently by his grandson Rabbi Dovid Leib Greenfeld (718-972-0463)(fax-718-438-9343). I bought a copy at Biegeleisen. Rabbi Dovid Leib has added the family genealogy, history of the family and the Jewish community in that area which includes, Svidnik, Stropkov, Hummene etc., and much more. All one has to do is see the Sefer (especially all the supplemental information in the second half) and it will become clear why I suggest it to all of you who might enjoy seeing an outstanding labour of love. Louis Schonfeld > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 2:26 PM > To: lmagyar@en.com > Cc: 106607.620@compuserve.com; Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch; > srwynne@erols.com; langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu; levy@eye.ch; > Neil185@aol.com; hosp@voicenet.com > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > Louie, > Thanks! I am meeting with him on Tuesday. He comes from Yakov Uri, through > Miriam Leah or Rochel Leah, married to Naftali Seidenfeld. I explained my > "Leah problem" to him and he understood. We will look through what he has. > Also, he told me of a Gross living in Staten Island with a different piece > of the tree. I will keep you posted. > -Moishe > > > > lmagyar@en.com > Sunday January 31, 1999 12:04 PM > > Please respond to lmagyar@en.com > To: See Below > cc: > Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree > > > > > Dear Moishe and Chug, > > On Nostrand Ave close to Avenue P is the accounting firm of > Friedman et.al. > There one can find Leo Hirsch, a partner in the firm. My last contact with > Leo was at least five years ago. However, at that time he provided me with > documentation from Seforim showing the Seidenfeld-Uri connection. > If Leo is > not known to you or Yedidya, I will attempt to locate his > telephone numbers > etc. He has photocopies of all the documents. Keep in mind I only saw > secondary sources (Seforim) and did not see any governmental records to > substantiate the claim. > > Also, I have seen a variation of the name Itta Leah as Yitte Leah. > > Louis Schonfeld > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 9:46 AM > > To: 106607.620@compuserve.com; Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch; > > srwynne@erols.com; langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu; levy@eye.ch; > > Neil185@aol.com; Lmagyar@en.com; hosp@voicenet.com > > Subject: Uri Family Tree > > > > > > Dear Daniel Teichman, > > Suzan Wynne, > > Yedidya Langsam, > > Andr > > > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential langsam @sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu > 106607.620 @compuserve.com levy @eye.ch > Daniel.Teichman @vsao.ch Neil185 @aol.com > srwynne @erols.com hosp @voicenet.com > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525670A.005E7FFE; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:12:11 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20336; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:12:22 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA81120 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:12:26 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p18-clv2-ts3.en.net [207.180.218.146]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06142; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:10:01 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, 106607.620@compuserve.com, Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch, srwynne@erols.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, levy@eye.ch, Neil185@aol.com, hosp@voicenet.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:04:18 -0500 Message-Id: <000401be4d3b$bdcd2520$92dab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8525670A.00512983.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Uri Family Tree PostedDate: 01/31/99 12:04:18 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,106607.620@compuserve.com,Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch,srwynne@erols.com,langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,levy@eye.ch,Neil185@aol.com,hosp@voicenet.com ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/31/99 12:12:14 PM-01/31/99 12:12:15 PM,01/31/99 12:12:11 PM-01/31/99 12:12:12 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/31/99 12:12:12 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe and Chug, On Nostrand Ave close to Avenue P is the accounting firm of Friedman et.al. There one can find Leo Hirsch, a partner in the firm. My last contact with Leo was at least five years ago. However, at that time he provided me with documentation from Seforim showing the Seidenfeld-Uri connection. If Leo is not known to you or Yedidya, I will attempt to locate his telephone numbers etc. He has photocopies of all the documents. Keep in mind I only saw secondary sources (Seforim) and did not see any governmental records to substantiate the claim. Also, I have seen a variation of the name Itta Leah as Yitte Leah. Louis Schonfeld > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 9:46 AM > To: 106607.620@compuserve.com; Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch; > srwynne@erols.com; langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu; levy@eye.ch; > Neil185@aol.com; Lmagyar@en.com; hosp@voicenet.com > Subject: Uri Family Tree > > > Dear Daniel Teichman, > Suzan Wynne, > Yedidya Langsam, > Andr $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256708.0008DECD; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:36:53 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28230; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:37:07 -0500 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (icarus.idirect.com [207.136.80.7]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA58528 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:37:09 -0500 Received: from terminus.idirect.com (terminus.idirect.com [207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA07793 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts7-44t-11.idirect.com (ts7-44t-11.idirect.com [209.161.244.58]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA12437 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:37:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36B13B70.3BE8@utoronto.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:39:12 -0800 From: peter.spiro@utoronto.ca Reply-To: spirop@idirect.com Organization: University of Toronto X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Your family tree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: peter.spiro@utoronto.ca From: peter.spiro@utoronto.ca Subject: Your family tree PostedDate: 01/28/99 11:39:12 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: spirop@idirect.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/28/99 08:36:57 PM-01/28/99 08:36:59 PM,01/28/99 08:36:56 PM-01/28/99 08:36:57 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/28/99 08:36:57 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe: I recently saw your very nicely done family tree while browsing the web. One correction: Kisvarda remains in Hungary, not in Slovakia, although it is near the border. (My home page below has more information about it.) -- | Peter Spiro ----- Toronto, Canada | | Visit my homepage at: | | http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/ | $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256707.00452919; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:35:25 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40522; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:35:39 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA83402 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:35:41 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA27335; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:35:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <001f01be4aba$f006c2e0$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Style Guide Draft Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:37:14 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: Style Guide Draft PostedDate: 01/28/99 07:37:14 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/28/99 07:35:30 AM-01/28/99 07:36:16 AM,01/28/99 07:36:14 AM-01/28/99 07:36:14 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/28/99 07:36:15 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hello, Nice job on the style sheet. Can you put together one sample sheet with all the fields filled in? Also, please don't forget to send me the Hebrew macro. Thanks. Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ; srwynne@erols.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: Style Guide Draft >Hi, >My son's surgery went really well, thank G-d. He is in good spirits. >This is first draft of the style guide. Before I get to far, please tell me >if it seems to be going in the right direction, or even if it is >comprehensible. Suzan, for you, I am just pasting it below, although I do >have it in Word. >As for Avotaynu, I do not think it worth the money. given what I know is >there and what you are looking for. Why not wait for a couple of the new >issues and make your own choice. >-Moishe > >STYLE GUIDE >Names: > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256707.000064B8; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:04:17 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26096; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:04:30 -0500 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA76754 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:04:32 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-37-21.s21.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.21]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17353 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:10:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36AFA939.7538@erols.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:03:05 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Style Guide Draft References: <85256706.0009B9A9.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Style Guide Draft PostedDate: 01/27/99 07:03:05 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/27/99 07:04:18 PM-01/27/99 07:04:22 PM,01/27/99 07:04:20 PM-01/27/99 07:04:21 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/27/99 07:04:21 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Moishe, see the end for my response. Suzan > > STYLE GUIDE > Names: > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > · Read chapter three, Entering Basic Information, in the Family Tree Maker > book, thoroughly. Pay close attention to pages 88 - 91. > · Use the Family Page name box (Husband, Wife, or Children) for the actual > or legal names, not nicknames. Furthermore, do not include nicknames, > Hebrew names, or titles in this box. > · Use ALT+0160 (numeric keypad only) to group two first names into one > (i.e.: Chana Rita should show as same, not as Chana) only when the person > was never known by one name. > · Use Alternate Fact of "Hebrew Name" to record a Hebrew name. Use the > Ahroni font ONLY for input. > · If the name of someone€s child is not known, indicate "boy" or "girl" and > last name, like "boy Miller". > · If the gender or name of someone€s child is not known, indicate "child > Miller". > · If the family name of somebody is not known, use the question mark (?). > Family Tree Maker allows for denoting the last name by enclosing it in > slashes. An example would by Rudja \?\. > · For marriage into the tree by an unknown, use \?\. It is not necessary > in this instance to use "girl \?\" or "boy \?\". > · Use the Lineage dialog under the "More" button for Titles. Use "R." for a > Rabbi. Do not use "R." as Mr., this is reserved for actual Rabbi€s. > · Use AKA in the Lineage dialog under the "More" button, for nicknames. > Nicknames include any name that the person is called, aside from a given or > legal name. Note not only the nickname (like Roita Ber [Red Dov]) but the > complete name as it should appear in the tree, including surname (like > Roita Ber Schermer). Do not put the actual Hebrew Name here, it should be > recorded under the Alternate Fact of "Hebrew Name". > · Use suffixes for anything that should always appear after a person€s > name, much like a title. A common example would be "Av Beis Din", or Head > Judge of a Jewish court in a specific town. Abbreviate this as "ABD". > Record this as part of the last name, separated by a comma (i.e.: R. > Nussanel Lauer, ABD Malcov). > · For surname changes, like a specific sibling taking on the mother€s > maiden name, it is preferable to note the original name as usual, even if > it was never used. To note the change, use AKA in the Lineage dialog under > the "More" button, as for nicknames. This will allow the indexing to find > the person grouped under the original family name, something that might be > useful as a research aid. This point is not critical for implementation. > Furthermore, this should NOT be followed for subsequent generations, as it > becomes cumbersome and problematic (if the scenario repeats itself). > · Special Note for Marriage of cousins; DO NOT DUPLICATE THE DATA! Family > Tree will do it for you. Just make sure you have the name and dates exactly > the same when re-entering the individual. Then use the Merge Menu option > from the People menu. > > Dates: > · Use Alternate Fact of "Yahrtzeit" to record Hebrew death date. Do not > supply Hebrew year. > · Use Alternate Fact of "Yom Huledes" to record Hebrew birth date. Do not > supply Hebrew year. > · If someone was born in the 1870€s, note it as "Bet. 1870-1879", in Family > Tree Maker. > · If only one end of the spectrum on range is known, note it accordingly, > like "born: bet. 1857 - Sept 20, 1860". > · If the exact date is not known but the month and year are, just note the > month and year. > · Use "abt." for circa. > · For children, please place them in the assumed age order on the Family > Page, even if dates are not known. Do not group by gender. For mistakes and > corrections, DO NOT overtype the name. Use the "Sort Children" or "Move > Child" options from the People menu. > > Place Names: > · Use WOWW for all place names. Use current geography for countries. If in > doubt, consult WOWW or forward a list to the other editors. This is > critical! If places and people are to be matched in different trees by > geography, special care must be taken to spell all places exactly the same > on all parts of all trees. > · Use city and state when listing a place in the USA. Use city and country > for all other places. Do not use counties (like Kings) unless the use is > widespread outside the genealogical community. > · Use "Holocaust" as the place name when populating the "in" field for > "Died:" on the Family Page for any person perishing in the Holocaust, where > more detail is not known. If more detail is available, include the name of > the camp here, as Holocaust; Auschwitz. Other details should be placed in > the source data, notes, or scrapbook (like a Word document). > > Address: > · Use the Address Dialog under More to record place of residence, even for > deceased individuals. > · Use Alternate Fact of "Lived in:" to record places of residence other > than that stored in the address dialog. > · Use Alternate Fact of "Email" to record Email addresses. > · Use the Phone(s): field for as many numbers as needed, with descriptions, > like Home: (973) 555-5041 Work: (800) 555-1072 ext 6196 > > Sources: > · Please consult "Evidence! Citation and Analysis for the Family Historian" > by Elizabeth Shown Mills > · Use endnotes, not footnotes. > · Source everything possible, we can decide what to exclude later. > · You can also include notes about your sources in the endnote. > > Notes: > · You can record email€s in this dialog box, just cut and paste. > > Scrapbook: > · You can record anything in here, from pictures to spreadsheets, to email. > Do not limit yourself. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> >Moishe, > I'm so happy to hear the surgery went well.> I've decided not to take the job I've been doing for over a month...getting paid was looking like it would be a constant problem and my boss is a very controlling person who was making me feel that I had no autonomy in a job that required major autonomy. I will take some time off to work on the book in a serious way before moving on to something else. > I got your style guide...a little difficult to read on the screen with codes and funny spacing but I'll print it out and see how that goes. In any event, the guide looks straightforward and I have no issues with anything you've proposed. Turns out I didn't lose anything in the crash. The information just appeared in a totally new place. Now my husband and I are trying to figure out how to transfer everything into FTM which arrived yesterday. The changes are very impressive. > > > > That reminds me....are either of you in touch with Oscar/Yehoshua > >Langsam in Israel? He has tried to send me trees but I can't unscramble > >them. I need to know how he connects to the family. > > > >Moishe, I still could use an answer to this question. Yes....No will do.> > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256706.005D2EF1; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:57:48 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14216; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:58:00 -0500 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA76716 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:58:01 -0500 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa16915; 27 Jan 99 8:50 PST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: Heads Up! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:54:04 EST." <85256700.000FF146.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:50:01 -0800 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9901270850.aa16915@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: Heads Up! PostedDate: 01/27/99 11:50:01 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/27/99 11:57:53 AM-01/27/99 11:57:56 AM,01/27/99 11:57:53 AM-01/27/99 11:57:55 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/27/99 11:57:55 AM Categories: $Revisions: > - Please delete all except debie.txt There was no file named "debie.txt" There was a file named debie1.txt which I re-installed. I received the latest disk and installed all files. Comments: 1. File langsam.htm refers to "debie.txt" which is non-existant. 2. File debie1.txt does exist but is not referenced anywhere. 3. Line 33 of langsam.htm has regressed with a grammatical error. It now includes the phrase: Louis Langsam came to U.S. in It used to include the phrase: Louis Langsam came to the U.S. in Shall I fix it? 4. File ssdilang.htm was included in the disk as an update to the existing file. Unfortunately, the disk had a bad segment and so I could not retrieve that file. Please send it to me via email. Dan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256705.006F6C77; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:17:02 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28818; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:17:15 -0500 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA68948 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:17:17 -0500 From: LouSMagyar@aol.com Received: from LouSMagyar@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OMAMa05340; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:14:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:14:11 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, srwynne@erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The Book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 SMTPOriginator: LouSMagyar@aol.com From: LouSMagyar@aol.com Subject: Re: The Book PostedDate: 01/26/99 03:14:11 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/26/99 03:17:05 PM-01/26/99 03:17:06 PM,01/26/99 03:17:03 PM-01/26/99 03:17:05 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/26/99 03:17:05 PM Categories: $Revisions: I would suggest Meir Wunder for our resource person in Israel. If he can' t or won't do it I have some other names. Please correct your e-mail address so that it is Lmagyar@en.com This is a secondary address which I check only once a week. Moishe, I believe you have the first several generations descending rom Moshe Schonfeld. Within the next few days I will mail out the booklet produced by Yehudah Friedman. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256703.0051E85B; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:54:39 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40042; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:54:52 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA81066 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:54:54 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA02606; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:53:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <000401be47a9$4c452e80$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: srwynne@erols.com Cc: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: response to 1/18 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:53:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: response to 1/18 PostedDate: 01/24/99 09:53:09 AM SendTo: srwynne@erols.com CopyTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/24/99 09:54:49 AM-01/24/99 09:54:50 AM,01/24/99 09:54:48 AM-01/24/99 09:54:49 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/24/99 09:54:49 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hi, Hope you are all well. With regards to Louis, I really don't have any strong feelings about the matter, since I don't know him. I tend to agree with Suzan that we should minimize the number of collaborators, to only those who will actually do "real" work. To many partners will not make it happen any faster. With regards to Michael, you gave it your best shot. I guess he is not interested. I am waiting for Moshe to provide a sample style sheet so that we can all be consistent when inputting the data. As soon as I get it, I'll make any comments (if any) and get to work inputting the rest of L2 and the AB trees. Moshe has sent me copies of his AB (very nicely done). I am not sure whether they are consistent with the 'current' thought-- but they are not too involved, so that revisions can be made as needed. I have also subscribed to Avotainu. They have a CD available ($99) with all back issues. Is it worth it? Regards to all. Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: Suzan and Ron Wynne To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ; moishe_miller@prusec.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 8:59 AM Subject: response to 1/18 >Moishe and Yedidyah, > >I'm late in responding to Moishe's 1/18 letter about The Book. I had a >terrible time recovering from the crash and I lost all of my e-mail >files except those which had come in over the week when I didn't have >power. Fortunately I got the 1/18 letter but unfortunately, I lost >addresses and old e-mails that I stored just in case... >Our past correspondence was a victim except in a few cases when I had >printed out the communication. > >I am not sending this to Louis as you requested, Moishe because I am not >comfortable doing that when he is not going to be a partner. He can be >a bit of a meddler...you know the type that consults from the sidelines >but doesn't want to do any work...the type that sits in a committee >meeting making suggestions and criticisms but who is never willing to >follow through. I think we will find ways of getting him to share with >us what he knows without making him a partner. It will be less time >consuming. > >If you all disagree, I will of course, direct all future correspondence >to him as well. I have not heard back from Michael Cohen. Dead >silence. > >The result of the meeting was Yedidyah and I left Y's family in L2 with >David at the top. I have notes from the meeting as to what we did with >Kishiel. I never found anyone which provided the parents for the Pesach >Langsam under Kishiel who died in 1928. This was simply assumed and >now, it seems, incorrectly. > >So, L1 is Avraham Aba Miller (Moishe). L2 will become David >(Yedidyah). L3 will be Zvi Elimelech. L4 will be unknown but the same >line as we have now. L5 will be Chaim Leib (Suzan) and L6 will be >Eckstein (Moishe has). I have written to David Waxman about becoming a >partner in L3. I have Sara Honig's tree and I will write to her at the >Jerusalem Post about her participation for the purpose of updates. I >have asked Joel Geier about taking responsibility for L4. We may need >to add Kishiel but I think he must have been Pesach's brother or nephew >instead of a descendant of Pesach and Ita. I can create a special >category for this family since it is clear that they are related >somehow. > >I have ordered Family Tree Maker's update and when it comes in, I will >enter everything for L5 fresh...I lost everything in the crash >apparently. I didn't have much in there. Maybe a day's work...or two. > >The H section will be coordinated by me, as we agreed. I propose to >group the section by geography when possible...thus, all major fragments >with known people from Bircza will be near each other. Etc. The tiny >fragments will be grouped geographically too because, for the most part, >we know about them from records obtained in Poland. I have put together >an impressive number of the fragments over the years with the help of >family members who have helped. Where I think I will need help is with >contacting the Israelis who have popped up recently. > >That reminds me....are either of you in touch with Oscar/Yehoshua >Langsam in Israel? He has tried to send me trees but I can't unscramble >them. I need to know how he connects to the family. > >I will write up a little notice for The Galitzianer but I know that this >is a deadend because I have been in touch with almost everyone with >promising towns and surnames. > >I have tried to pull off all the Langsams from several Internet >directories to cross check the new list with what we had before. I fear >that many of our older relatives who came from Poland/Galicia have died >since the book was published. This mostly slows us down with the H >sections. > >Moishe, you asked how many family members own the book. I don't know >the answer to that. I had 500 books from the beginning and I still have >about 150. Almost no Israelis have the book...just a few ordered them, >probably because of the cost and the fact that it is in English. > >Moishe, for some reason, I am unable to read attachments. I will try to >get some tech support from Erols but that's probably a whole day's work >which I don't have. > >Suzan > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256702.004CD138; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:59:02 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38924; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:59:15 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22858 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:59:17 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-146-13.s13.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.13]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05886; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:59:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36A9D561.B01@erols.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:57:53 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: response to 1/18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: response to 1/18 PostedDate: 01/23/99 08:57:53 AM SendTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/23/99 08:59:12 AM-01/23/99 08:59:13 AM,01/23/99 08:59:08 AM-01/23/99 08:59:08 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/23/99 08:59:08 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe and Yedidyah, I'm late in responding to Moishe's 1/18 letter about The Book. I had a terrible time recovering from the crash and I lost all of my e-mail files except those which had come in over the week when I didn't have power. Fortunately I got the 1/18 letter but unfortunately, I lost addresses and old e-mails that I stored just in case... Our past correspondence was a victim except in a few cases when I had printed out the communication. I am not sending this to Louis as you requested, Moishe because I am not comfortable doing that when he is not going to be a partner. He can be a bit of a meddler...you know the type that consults from the sidelines but doesn't want to do any work...the type that sits in a committee meeting making suggestions and criticisms but who is never willing to follow through. I think we will find ways of getting him to share with us what he knows without making him a partner. It will be less time consuming. If you all disagree, I will of course, direct all future correspondence to him as well. I have not heard back from Michael Cohen. Dead silence. The result of the meeting was Yedidyah and I left Y's family in L2 with David at the top. I have notes from the meeting as to what we did with Kishiel. I never found anyone which provided the parents for the Pesach Langsam under Kishiel who died in 1928. This was simply assumed and now, it seems, incorrectly. So, L1 is Avraham Aba Miller (Moishe). L2 will become David (Yedidyah). L3 will be Zvi Elimelech. L4 will be unknown but the same line as we have now. L5 will be Chaim Leib (Suzan) and L6 will be Eckstein (Moishe has). I have written to David Waxman about becoming a partner in L3. I have Sara Honig's tree and I will write to her at the Jerusalem Post about her participation for the purpose of updates. I have asked Joel Geier about taking responsibility for L4. We may need to add Kishiel but I think he must have been Pesach's brother or nephew instead of a descendant of Pesach and Ita. I can create a special category for this family since it is clear that they are related somehow. I have ordered Family Tree Maker's update and when it comes in, I will enter everything for L5 fresh...I lost everything in the crash apparently. I didn't have much in there. Maybe a day's work...or two. The H section will be coordinated by me, as we agreed. I propose to group the section by geography when possible...thus, all major fragments with known people from Bircza will be near each other. Etc. The tiny fragments will be grouped geographically too because, for the most part, we know about them from records obtained in Poland. I have put together an impressive number of the fragments over the years with the help of family members who have helped. Where I think I will need help is with contacting the Israelis who have popped up recently. That reminds me....are either of you in touch with Oscar/Yehoshua Langsam in Israel? He has tried to send me trees but I can't unscramble them. I need to know how he connects to the family. I will write up a little notice for The Galitzianer but I know that this is a deadend because I have been in touch with almost everyone with promising towns and surnames. I have tried to pull off all the Langsams from several Internet directories to cross check the new list with what we had before. I fear that many of our older relatives who came from Poland/Galicia have died since the book was published. This mostly slows us down with the H sections. Moishe, you asked how many family members own the book. I don't know the answer to that. I had 500 books from the beginning and I still have about 150. Almost no Israelis have the book...just a few ordered them, probably because of the cost and the fact that it is in English. Moishe, for some reason, I am unable to read attachments. I will try to get some tech support from Erols but that's probably a whole day's work which I don't have. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256701.005E22C3; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:08:12 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40082; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:08:25 -0500 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA41184 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:08:26 -0500 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa02740; 22 Jan 99 8:59 PST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Heads Up! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:54:04 EST." <85256700.000FF146.00@notes.prusec.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:59:44 -0800 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9901220859.aa02740@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: Heads Up! PostedDate: 01/22/99 11:59:44 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/22/99 12:08:19 PM-01/22/99 12:08:45 PM,01/22/99 12:08:41 PM-01/22/99 12:08:45 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/22/99 12:08:45 PM Categories: $Revisions: > - Please delete all except debie.txt Actually, it was debie1.txt, which I have re-placed in the langsam directory, but, as far as I can tell, it is not referenced anywhere. Are you sure you want me to keep it there? You can see it at: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/debie1.txt > - Can you email me david.txt, I do not know what it is? Here it is: [Close ] [Inbox ][Prepare ] [Next ][Previous ] [Reply ][Forward ] [Store ] [Delete ] [Logout ][Help ] From: "David Goldberg" at INTERNET TO: Moishe Miller Subject: Re: Priority: Normal Date: 12/9/97 11:02 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your tree has Chaim Leib (c1873-1866) with 7 known children, one of whom was Menachem Mendel (c1830-1915). One of Menachem Mendel's children is listed as Yacov (Josef?). As I explained in my previous message, my grandmother's parents were named Jacob Miller and Zecil Hartman. They lived and died in Tysmenitsa (now in Ukraine). Unfortunately, I do not know the names of their siblings or their full Hebrew names. My grandmother's siblings were names Max, Joe, Raiza, Sarah, and Evelyn. Some of these were clearly Americanized names. It would be fine to list the information I've sent on your unkown Miller page. I will try to provide some more facts if I can. -----Original Message----- From: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com To: mail08686@pop.net Date: Sunday, December 07, 1997 10:43 PM >Hi, >Please specify where in my tree you see: >Yacov, son of Menachem Mendel >(grandson of Chaim Leib) > >I would like to find a connection. If not, would you care if I posted an entry in my UNKNOWN MILLER page? >Could you provide me with some more info, such as siblings for your ancestors, as well as the places they lived in? >-Moishe > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Image] RFC822 message headers (1054 bytes) [Close ] [Inbox ][Prepare ] [Next ][Previous ] [Reply ][Forward ] [Store ] [Delete ] [Logout ][Help ] [Image] $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256701.000D3FDA; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:24:43 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20848; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:24:57 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA79204 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:24:58 -0500 Received: from default (207-172-51-201.s201.tnt16.ann.erols.com [207.172.51.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01336 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:24:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36A7E128.54D3@erols.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:23:36 -0500 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com Organization: user X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KC032698 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: The Book References: <852566FE.0019CE4C.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: The Book PostedDate: 01/21/99 09:23:36 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/21/99 09:24:53 PM-01/21/99 09:24:54 PM,01/21/99 09:24:52 PM-01/21/99 09:24:52 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/21/99 09:24:52 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi, > I just met with Louie Schonfeld. He came in from Cleveland. He would very > much like to take L3, but feels he would be "biting off more than he could > chew", given the year 2000 target. He made several suggestions and he and I > talked for some time. > Can we propose to take the following course? Based on Suzan's and Yedidya's > conversation, perhaps Suzan could come up with the new L structure by > reclassifying Yekusiel, Dovid, and Ephraim Shmuel? We could then rename L6 > (Eckstein) to be L6, 7 or L8, depending on how Suzan and Yedidya's > conversation ended. > Once the L's are set, Suzan could clarify what branches are already being > done, and by whom. > For L3 (Spira), Louie told me that the Yeshiva Derech Pikudecha (Gottleib > family) is not gathering L3 names beyond the scope of using them for > fundraising, at least indirectly. I don't think that avenue would pan out > for us. Perhaps Suzan or Yedidya might contact Mr. Waxman or Mrs. Hoenig, > people interested and members of L3. If they are not interested, can they > be persuaded to be responsible for their own L3 sub-branch? If there is > nobody to take all of L3, we might try to farm out the seven none > sub-branches. Louie indicated that if it came to this, at the very least, > he could supply his knowledge of Moshe & Sara Schonfeld. He is already > using Family Tree Maker. If Waxman and Hoenig are not in at all, Louie > mentioned a Friedman he knows from L3 (Louie will forward me a copy of his > work), from the Uri branch. He might also try 2 non-relatives; Boruch > Schechter, who has some info on L3, or R. Shea Weiss, son of the present > Spinka Rebbe, whose hobby is doing genealogy on L3. > Once the highest levels of the L's are noted, I would ask several things: > 1. For the L's you are responsible for, please supply me with their first > two generations, as they currently exist to the best of your knowledge, > ASAP. This will serve one basic function; I will update the website > accordingly, and we can then be more visible to the world. > 2. We should do a conference call (I can host from work or home) to > approximate the effort and set a project schedule in motion to target a > realistic production date. > 3. We share ALL new information. > 4. You forward as many questions as possible, as early as possible, > regarding data entry, so that I can formulate a comprehensive Style Guide. > 5. Suzan and Louie, please give us some free press in the Galicia & > Hungarian SIG's. Never know what we might get back. > 6. Louie raised a good point that was brought up in our earlier meeting. We > need a good resource in Israel. Any suggestions? > > Lastly, beyond publication costs, my sponsor was non-commital. Suzan, I am > curious. How may FAMILY MEMBERS (unique) currently own a copy of the book? > > When responding, please try to copy everybody on the list (Suzan, Yedidya, > Louie, and myself). > > Thanks for reading through this long mess. > -Moishe > > PS: Yedidya and I chatted today. I will give over what I have on A and B, > including charts, letters from Rosenstein and Wunder, EXCEL spreadsheets (3 > attachments, for A, use the 'net) and some Avotaynu articles by Rosenstein. > Did Suzan approach Rosenstein with the oppurtunity to rework his hypothesis > in time for our publish date? > > (See attached file: Family-d.xls)(See attached file: Family-c.xls)(See > attached file: Fam-ab.xls) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name: Family-d.xls > Part 1.2 Type: application/mxexcel > Encoding: base64 > Description: Excel 2.x Chart > > Name: Family-c.xls > Part 1.3 Type: application/mxexcel > Encoding: base64 > Description: Excel 2.x Chart > > Name: Fam-ab.xls > Part 1.4 Type: application/mxexcel > Encoding: base64 > Description: Excel 2.x Chart Moishe, I will make a better response to you over the weekend...I've been offline for a week because of power outages, a computer crash and other problems related to last week's ice storm. I do not understand how to read the attachments...if you could guide me through it, perhaps I could get it...perhaps not. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566FF.0014E4BB; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:48:12 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22268; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:48:27 -0500 Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12796 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:48:28 -0500 From: sholoml@juno.com Received: (from sholoml@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id DZDKHNWS; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:46:59 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: "eli langsam" Fwd: Genealogy 1/3/99 Read 518465682 Message-Id: <19990119.101155.7847.0.sholoml@juno.com> References: <852566FE.007EB977.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,6 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:46:59 EST SMTPOriginator: sholoml@juno.com From: sholoml@juno.com Subject: Re: "eli langsam" Fwd: Genealogy 1/3/99 Read 518465682 PostedDate: 01/19/99 10:46:59 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/19/99 10:48:16 PM-01/19/99 11:59:26 PM,01/19/99 11:59:25 PM-01/19/99 11:59:44 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/19/99 11:59:44 PM Categories: $Revisions: our name langsam was made by our grandfather zl gezunt zain when he escaped russia (poland) he met up with a man named langsam and his brother was already not alive so he took his papers ARTHER LANGSAM so you see the real name is not langsam . if i can be at any more help please fell free to send me a letter Sholom Langsam. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566FF.0000BA9B; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:07:57 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20348; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:08:10 -0500 Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17668 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:08:12 -0500 From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Received: from MISSAQUE@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id XHACa05322 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:03:34 +1900 (EST) Message-Id: <34600c08.36a51d56@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:03:34 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam Family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 SMTPOriginator: MISSAQUE@aol.com From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam Family PostedDate: 01/19/99 07:03:34 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/19/99 07:08:04 PM-01/19/99 07:08:05 PM,01/19/99 07:08:00 PM-01/19/99 07:08:01 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/19/99 07:08:01 PM Categories: $Revisions: hi David Langsam was my grandmothers brother...my mother was born in 1912...my grandmother died in 1978 at the age of 94? we think so she should have been born 1884...I will try to talk to my uncle as soon as possible..he just had a mild stroke..David and Rose according to my mother had 3 children..2 sons Lester, Louie and maybe a daughter..my grandmother esther feldman lived on howard avenue than she moved to east 54th street and avenue k Keep in touch Susan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566FE.001C1DC5; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:07:06 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16274; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:07:20 -0500 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA52052 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:07:22 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-44-90.s90.tnt3.brd.erols.com [207.172.44.90]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03767 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:37:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36A37AE3.6D5E@erols.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:18:11 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: L3 References: <852566F9.0066358B.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: L3 PostedDate: 01/18/99 01:18:11 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/19/99 12:07:08 AM-01/19/99 12:07:09 AM,01/19/99 12:07:07 AM-01/19/99 12:07:08 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/19/99 12:07:08 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi, > I guess this is a touchy subject for Louie, but he does NOT have a definate > path, just definate knowledge that he is a descendant. He can not > positively trace with what he knew 4 months ago, only surmise. I will speak > with him anyhow. > -Moishe > > srwynne@erols.com > Thursday January 14, 1999 12:33 PM > > Please respond to srwynne@erols.com > To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu > Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: L3 > > Hi, > > Good meeting! Lou Schonfeld called last night. He will be in NY next > week and he was disappointed that we had not included him in the > meeting...hmmm. He is very clear that he is connected to Sara Spira and > Moshe Schonfeld...it is someone else he knows who is missing the link > and he is trying to help him with the linkage. > > He suggests that we hire Meir Wunder to help with L3. He is being > retired next week...at 65 he must retire. He has no plans and, > according to Lou, is a bit at loose ends. He has access to all of the > material which could make the L3 lines correct. Lou could do his, David > Waxman could do his and I have Sara Honig's information about the other > Uri connection. Of course, updated material would still be a problem. > I think this is a great idea if Moishe's sponsor would be willing to > help with paying Meir. Otherwise, I would be willing to donate > something to the effort. > > Think on this.. > > Suzan I don't understand...I have his tree and there is a direct descendancy showing there from Moshe and Sara Schonfeld...did he just surmise that line? Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566FE.0017B509; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:18:56 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32450; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:19:09 -0500 Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13784 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:19:11 -0500 From: Adlan@aol.com Received: from Adlan@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JKPDa01222 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:08:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <92baa79b.36a37888@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:08:08 EST To: moishe_miller@PruSec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam/Miller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 SMTPOriginator: Adlan@aol.com From: Adlan@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam/Miller PostedDate: 01/18/99 01:08:08 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/18/99 11:19:03 PM-01/18/99 11:19:07 PM,01/18/99 11:19:03 PM-01/18/99 11:19:04 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/18/99 11:19:04 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe Sorry for the delay in responding to your message. You may feel free to post my message to you or to modify it as you see fit. David Langsam is recorded in the Langsam-Spira family document on page H-7 under what appears to be section H8.2. It shows that he was married to Tillie (that was how she was known but her actual name was Matilda as I indicated in my previous message to you. I was born in 1941 and my brother Joseph was born in 1945. My sons: David (1967), Bruce (1969), and Michael Jacob --known as Jacob(1971). I was told when I grew up that my grandfather, David Langsam, came to this country to escape the Austrian army after being impressed as part of a campaign by the army to separate young Jewish men from their family and,thus, their culture and religion. I was also told that he was from Galicia. In looking at a historical atlas, it appears that the Austro-Hungarian empire did extend into or at least near to Galicia, so all this does look authentic to me. I see (on page H-8) of the Langsam-Spira document that you are aware of Perline Langsam and Sigmond Langsam, both of whom live in the St. Louis area. Perline can be contacted at 207 Ambridge Court; Chesterfield, MO 63017. Her phone is (314) 576-5311. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any more information or assistance. Phyllis Adams adlan@aol.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F9.0075B7F9; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:25:48 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33470; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:26:00 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22834 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:26:00 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA15811 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:25:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <005501be4004$5a1c3f00$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: L3 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:25:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: L3 PostedDate: 01/14/99 04:25:01 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/14/99 04:25:54 PM-01/14/99 04:25:55 PM,01/14/99 04:25:52 PM-01/14/99 04:25:52 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/14/99 04:25:52 PM Categories: $Revisions: Hi, Can you fill me in on what the issues are. I think I am dropping in in the middle of a discussion :) Yedidyah >I guess this is a touchy subject for Louie, but he does NOT have a definate >path, just definate knowledge that he is a descendant. He can not >positively trace with what he knew 4 months ago, only surmise. I will speak >with him anyhow. >-Moishe > > > >srwynne@erols.com >Thursday January 14, 1999 12:33 PM > >Please respond to srwynne@erols.com >To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu > Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >cc: >Subject: L3 > > > > >Hi, > >Good meeting! Lou Schonfeld called last night. He will be in NY next >week and he was disappointed that we had not included him in the >meeting...hmmm. He is very clear that he is connected to Sara Spira and >Moshe Schonfeld...it is someone else he knows who is missing the link >and he is trying to help him with the linkage. > >He suggests that we hire Meir Wunder to help with L3. He is being >retired next week...at 65 he must retire. He has no plans and, >according to Lou, is a bit at loose ends. He has access to all of the >material which could make the L3 lines correct. Lou could do his, David >Waxman could do his and I have Sara Honig's information about the other >Uri connection. Of course, updated material would still be a problem. >I think this is a great idea if Moishe's sponsor would be willing to >help with paying Meir. Otherwise, I would be willing to donate >something to the effort. > >Think on this.. > >Suzan > > > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F9.005013C6; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:34:39 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17866; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:34:54 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11862 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:34:54 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-70-73.s73.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.70.73]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20476; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:34:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <369E2A6A.1E9@erols.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:33:30 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: L3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: L3 PostedDate: 01/14/99 12:33:30 PM SendTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/14/99 09:34:42 AM-01/14/99 09:34:43 AM,01/14/99 09:34:42 AM-01/14/99 09:34:43 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/14/99 09:34:43 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hi, Good meeting! Lou Schonfeld called last night. He will be in NY next week and he was disappointed that we had not included him in the meeting...hmmm. He is very clear that he is connected to Sara Spira and Moshe Schonfeld...it is someone else he knows who is missing the link and he is trying to help him with the linkage. He suggests that we hire Meir Wunder to help with L3. He is being retired next week...at 65 he must retire. He has no plans and, according to Lou, is a bit at loose ends. He has access to all of the material which could make the L3 lines correct. Lou could do his, David Waxman could do his and I have Sara Honig's information about the other Uri connection. Of course, updated material would still be a problem. I think this is a great idea if Moishe's sponsor would be willing to help with paying Meir. Otherwise, I would be willing to donate something to the effort. Think on this.. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F9.000981C0; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:43:50 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22144; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:44:04 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA33874 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:44:05 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA25864 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:41:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <001901be3f5e$e6ac9ba0$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: articles Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:40:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01BE3F34.FCDACE80" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 $FILE: SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: articles PostedDate: 01/13/99 08:40:42 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/13/99 08:43:52 PM-01/13/99 08:43:54 PM,01/13/99 08:43:52 PM-01/13/99 08:43:53 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/13/99 08:43:53 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moshe, There were several journal articles that you had mentioned during the meeting, I wonder, if you could send me Xerox copies of the relevant ones. Thanks Yedidyah ======================================================== Professor Yedidyah Langsam Department of Computer & Information Science Brooklyn College 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11210 voice: (718) 951-4161 email: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu icq: 10661149 web page: http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ======================================================== - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F9.0009081D; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:38:39 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28388; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:38:52 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA31242 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:38:53 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA25843 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:38:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <000201be3f5e$85a34ca0$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: project Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:32:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE3F33.DD0DBE60" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 $FILE: SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: project PostedDate: 01/13/99 08:32:39 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/13/99 08:38:41 PM-01/13/99 08:38:42 PM,01/13/99 08:38:40 PM-01/13/99 08:38:42 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/13/99 08:38:42 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moshe, First of all thank you for hosting our meeting. I think it was very valuable and that much was accomplished. I assume that you received a cc of Suzan's email to Michael in which she outlined all that we did. I would like to get started on inputting the A and the B portion of the chart, especially since I now have some time off. Before I do, I would like to play around with the Hebrew. Could you please send me the keyboard routine that you developed? Also, it is important that we develop the style sheet ASAP. Could you please draft a preliminary version, and send it to me? As for my discussion with Suzan, I think she is a lot more amenable to accepting what she calls a "reasonable" explanation based on tradition and family history, even if does not fit precise "scientific" "facts". Specifically, I found that lots of the problems could be traced to stuff that we put in the book, and that now we don't know its source, but none the less now constrains us to a particular point of view. For example, for some reason, we all were talking about 5 sons of Pesach, without any proof that he may have had more or less sons. Furthermore, the order of the sons, especially if there may have been a large gap, between the older sons and the younger son (Tzvi Elimelech) can go along way in accepting dates of birth and death. We agreed that David and Kisheal are 2 individuals not one. Thus her death record indicates that a Kisheal married Esther with no mention of David. It is quite possible that there was indeed an older son David (wife unknown) who was my direct ancestor. Also, there are certainly many women in the tree who are never named. Thus many of the letter writers to us who state that they are "descendants" may have been descendant through a mother-- and we will never be able to tie up all those loose ends. I also pointed out to her that one could certainly name a child Pesach even if there was an older Uncle still alive by that same name. She thought that no one would follow that practice. Also, all though there is a death date for Peach based on records, his birthdate is only conjured based on the fact that he was reported to be in his 70's. However, even if I accept someone registering the death date accurately, there is no reason to suppose that his date of birth or even his own age was accurately known. Thus someone might simply have said he was in his 70's to the official, when he could have been in his 80's or 60's. Many people, even today, don't know their ages or birthdates. So there is a lot of latitude in when his children and grandchildren could have been born. Anyway, I think we have that problem pretty much worked out. I look forward to talking to you, and will come over to you in the next few days to return the software and manuals. Yedidyah ======================================================== Professor Yedidyah Langsam Department of Computer & Information Science Brooklyn College 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11210 voice: (718) 951-4161 email: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu icq: 10661149 web page: http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ======================================================== - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F8.005D9DA0; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:02:32 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24470; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:02:45 -0500 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10006 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:02:46 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-182-167.s167.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.167]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22136; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:06:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <369CF747.7750@erols.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:43:03 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mmcohen@mambo.ucsc.edu Cc: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: revision of book Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: revision of book PostedDate: 01/13/99 02:43:03 PM SendTo: mmcohen@mambo.ucsc.edu CopyTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu,CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/13/99 12:02:34 PM-01/13/99 12:02:35 PM,01/13/99 12:02:33 PM-01/13/99 12:02:34 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/13/99 12:02:34 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Michael, It's been a while since we've heard from you so we thought we would assume you are still interested in collaborating on the family book revision and keep you in the loop. Yedidyah, Moishe and I met yesterday in NYC to decide some basic issues in terms of what we will keep in the second edition, responsibility for the various sections, and what kinds of tasks need to be done. I hope that the following will help you decide that you will be able to participate. We are thinking that it may take up to two years to do what is necessary to get this book out since we are all working full time and then some and have other obligations as well. We didn't set a date because we wanted an opportunity to get into the project to see how it's going. I will be back in NY for a few days during the summer and we will see where we are at that point. We will use 5.0 Family Tree Maker, Windows Version. 1. All existing sections will be included and revised where indicated. Instead of having such separate sections for our Biblical ancestry, we agreed that it would be best to have a smoother transition to the B section. 2. Yedidyah will take responsibility for A, B and L2. 3. Moishe will take L1 and work out a protocol for how we use Family Tree Maker in a standard way...for instance, when using names, which kind of name goes where in the format of the program. Moishe will also coordinate the new L6 for the Eckstein branch. 4. We are hopeful that you will take L4. 5. I will take L5 and work with Hilda and her family in getting Hilda's section keyed in. 6. We have no one as yet to coordinate L3 but we are working on some strategies for getting the section done. Our use of text should take care of all sorts of holes in our knowledge and discrepancies in opinion. We will use the actual letters from people when that will help to clarify different points of view about ancestry. This approach will also help with tying the H section better together. We did not completely sort out guidelines for what will and won't be included in H. Yedidyah expressed the view and I agree that a single name of a child born to 2 parents that I got from a birth record should not be included. Moishe felt that we should include everything. We'll see when we get to the end. If the book is "too long" we will think about where to cut. Finally, we will use photos. I'd like to see more photos. Moishe hopes that the book will be 11 x 17 and the type of book that can be displayed on a cocktail table...very attractive and glossy. Our one area of disagreement that still needs to be ironed out concerns distribution. Moishe had gained cooperation of family members by indicating that the book would only be distributed to family. Some people wouldn't have agreed to provide information otherwise. Yedidyah and I feel strongly that the book needs to be sent to Jewish libraries and the Library of Congress...Moishe sees the point but we haven't quite figured out if it's possible given the commitment that he already made. Moishe is in favor of distributing only to people who are interested. The book will not be sold but just simply sent...we don't have a good number or a good process for communicating with the hundreds of possibly interested people. Please get back to us soon. If you are not interested in collaborating, could you recommend anyone in your branch who might take this on? Suzan Wynne $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F5.00808CCA; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:24:06 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15510; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:24:21 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18666 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:24:21 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-119-138.s138.tnt2.brd.erols.com [207.172.119.138]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA20625 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:24:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36995B68.35A4@erols.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:01:12 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: date for visit References: <852566F5.00515EA6.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: date for visit PostedDate: 01/10/99 09:01:12 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/10/99 06:24:13 PM-01/10/99 06:24:14 PM,01/10/99 06:24:13 PM-01/10/99 06:24:14 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/10/99 06:24:14 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi, > I know it is really late, but any chance we can change it from Tue to Wed? > If not, its OK, we can still meet on Tue. > Sorry, > -Moishe Moishe, No, I'm sorry, I can't be there on Wed. If this is really a problem, we can cancel and do it another time...or not. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F4.007E73AA; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:01:11 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16582; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:01:25 -0500 Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13462 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:01:23 -0500 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id KAA05088 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:01:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from ccs (dialup-t2-96.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.192.96]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with SMTP id KAA14156 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:01:04 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990110093451.007de140@pop.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: alenko@pop.netspace.net.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:34:51 +1100 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com From: alenko@netspace.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SMTPOriginator: alenko@netspace.net.au From: alenko@netspace.net.au PostedDate: 01/09/99 05:34:51 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/09/99 06:01:14 PM-01/09/99 06:01:15 PM,01/09/99 06:01:10 PM-01/09/99 06:01:11 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/09/99 06:01:11 PM Categories: $Revisions: I received your email regarding the Langsam family. I live in Melbourne Australia and my cousins are the Langsam family live in Sydney. I will be in contact with them to see if they can communicate with you. I will fill you in as much as I know, since my relationship is from the female side of the family. Clara Langsam (nee Rosenbaum) marrried to Walter Langsam (died just over a year ago) - children are Jackie (married to Wayne Black with two children Kara and Jesse), Paul (married last year) and Michelle (unmarried). Walter has a brother currently living in Sydney. Both came to Australia after the holocaust from Germany. Regards... Alex Lenko $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F2.0072B5E5; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:52:56 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27604; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:53:11 -0500 Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11432 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:53:11 -0500 Received: from ergny.com (user-38ld1g1.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.1]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14373 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:53:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36951ED0.5E78991A@ergny.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:53:36 -0500 From: marcy@ergny.com Organization: Entertainment Resource Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam Family References: <852566F1.00552938.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: marcy@ergny.com From: marcy@ergny.com Subject: Re: Langsam Family PostedDate: 01/07/99 03:53:36 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/07/99 03:52:59 PM-01/07/99 03:53:00 PM,01/07/99 03:52:57 PM-01/07/99 03:52:58 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/07/99 03:52:58 PM Categories: $Revisions: Hi. Here is the only other information we have. Pesach was a cousin to my grandmother's father, Max Wolosky/or Volosky some family members - the ones from Europe used a W. She does remember that Pesach had a brother named Moishe who she thinks also lived in Brooklyn. She knows Pesach had a wife and children and since the last time she saw Pesach, or Philip Langsam, he lived in San Francisco maybe his children or grandchildren are still there. Best regards. Marcy moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > Very exciting! With a name like Pesach Langsam, there must be a connection, > as he was the progenitor of the branch. Can you tell me more about him and > how your grandmother is related to him. Does he have any living offspring > you or I can contact? > -Moishe > > mwerg@mindspring.com > Thursday January 7, 1999 > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Re: Langsam Family > > Thanks for your email. I checked with my grandmother Ann Wolf (formerly > Wolosky) who is 91 year's old and she said she had a cousin Pesach Langsam > on > her father's side. He lived in Jersey City, NJ and worked for the Ward > Baking > Company. Then he moved to New York City or Brooklyn, she couldn't remember > and then again to San Francisco. She also said her cousin Molly Wolosky, > also > on her father's side was from Sanok. > > I hope this helps. I am curious to know if there is any connection. > > Sincerely, > > Marcy Wolf > > moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > > Hi, > > I found your email listed under JewishGen's Family Finder on the > internet. > > I am working on a family tree starting with Pesach Langsam, born in 1748. > > I have a website devoted to this pursuit and > > would welcome your feedback. It is at > > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > > Please note that the URL is case-sensitive. > > If your browser has problems (like some old AOL browsers) > > accessing this page, please try the tree itself at > > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/homemilr.htm > > If neither one works, try to redirect from > > http://members.tripod.com/mmill > > Please bear in mind that "clicking" on the tree image from > > any page will bring you back to the homepage. > > > > Thanks for your time! > > -Moishe Miller > > moishe_miller@prusec.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F2.005BE35C; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:43:39 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21220; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:43:54 -0500 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20832 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:43:54 -0500 From: Adlan@aol.com Received: from Adlan@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6NXAa04317 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:42:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <452f499d.3694e40e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:42:54 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Langsam/Miller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 SMTPOriginator: Adlan@aol.com From: Adlan@aol.com Subject: Langsam/Miller PostedDate: 01/07/99 11:42:54 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/07/99 11:43:49 AM-01/07/99 11:43:49 AM,01/07/99 11:43:47 AM-01/07/99 11:43:48 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/07/99 11:43:48 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Mr. Miller My brother and sister-in-law (Joseph and Betty Langsam of Short Hills, NJ) passed along your e-mail request for information concerning the Langsam family. I went to your web site and found that you already have access to the two studies done by Suzan Wynne which I have. One is entitled "The Family of Pesach and Ita Langsam of Yawornik" The other is entitled "Fish Family Tree" and contains a subheading of the "Langsam Family Tree" which appears to have been produced in 1994 by Suzan Wynne. For your information, my father, Sidney E. Langsam, is 90 years old and lives in a nursing home in Lincolnshire, IL with his wife, Helen Grosby Langsam. My father was born in East St. Louis, IL and was the son of David Langsam and his wife Matilda. He had no siblings. My father lived most of his adult life in St. Louis and Clayton, MO (a St. Louis suburb). They relocated to this area when it was necessary for them to be placed in a nursing home. I am married to Leonard Adams and live in Deerfield, IL. We have three sons: David (Columbia, SC), Bruce (Chicago) and M. Jacob (Rochester,NY) . Bruce is married to Eve Becker. My brother, Joseph, is married to Betty Sayah Langsam and lives in Short Hills, NJ. They have three children: Daniel (Boston Univ), Jessica (Univ of Penn) and Devorah, an elementary school student who lives at home. I hope this is helpful Phyllis Langsam Adams 100 Forestway Drive Deerfield, IL. 60015 adlan@aol.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F2.000E037F; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:00 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10534; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:13 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15554 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:12 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-121-4.s4.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.4]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16915 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3694441D.5BB9@erols.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:20:29 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam References: <852566F2.000C9A89.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Langsam PostedDate: 01/07/99 12:20:29 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/06/99 09:33:08 PM-01/06/99 09:33:09 PM,01/06/99 09:33:07 PM-01/06/99 09:33:08 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/06/99 09:33:08 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Suzan, > I am located at One Seaport Plaza, 16th floor, (212) 214 3580. It is > opposite South Street Seaport. It is on Water street, between Fulton & > John. The number 2 or 3 train to Fulton is your best bet. > I spoke with Yedidya and this is fine for him as well. The restaurant is > about a 5 minute walk from my office. See you there. > I received your package today, containing two of the 1987 dated books. I > checked with Yedidya and he has received the same. Were these just extras > or are they updated from the ones we already have? Were they for us to > write in before the meeting? They are extras to use as working copies...I have boxes and boxes of these books so you can tap into these if you need more. > I tried calling you but a fax machine picked up. Do you have an additional > number? My phone number is 301/942-6149. Fax is 942-4807. > Looking forward to seeing you on the 12th, > -Moishe $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F2.000E0334; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:03 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16400; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:12 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA33184 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:10 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-121-4.s4.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.4]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16945; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:33:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <369446CA.2E86@erols.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:31:54 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Cc: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Tues. meeting References: <006001be39e2$147a3ce0$3901f592@tzfas.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Tues. meeting PostedDate: 01/07/99 12:31:54 AM SendTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu CopyTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/06/99 09:33:06 PM-01/06/99 09:33:07 PM,01/06/99 09:33:02 PM-01/06/99 09:33:03 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/06/99 09:33:03 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dr. Yedidyah Langsam wrote: > > Hi, > > I look forward to our meeting. Today I received your package. Thank you. I > am also looking at the software that Moshe has been using, and I'll let you > know my opinion when I see you. > > love > Yedidyah > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzan Wynne > To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu > Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 6:41 PM > Subject: Tues. meeting > > >Yedidyah, > > > >I hope that you are clear (Moishe was not) about our meeting time. I am > >planning to be at Moishe's office at about noon. I hope to work on a > >proposed agenda this evening. > > > >Suzan > > > > > > Here's my proposed agenda...please feel free to take off from this proposed format: I. What to include/exclude A. Section covering biblical figures B. section covering post-biblical but pre-Pesach family (including the descendants of Elimelech of Lezajsk. C. All L sections D. H section II. Who will do what? A. Merging Yedidyah's lines in L2 with L4 where it belongs; Joel Geier has some additions to L4 B. Suzan will add new material from Tyczyn records to L2 but there is the possibility that newly done L2 does not descend at all from "our" Pesach C. Moishe has new information about Spinrad D. L3 can be supplemented by Lou Schonfeld and David Waxman but we need someone who can pull it all together...perhaps David would become a collaborator. He's very thorough. E. If we're going to do H section, this is a major job for one person F. Moishe has L1 under control G. What about Hilda Broida's part of L5? She has published a couple of books covering her part of the family. Maybe just refer to it? Otherwise, I guess Suzan will do. III. Directory or not A. permissions needed B. must recompile list but easier now with internet helpers IV. Publishing and distribution plans V. Timetable $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F1.008229CB; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:41:43 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28474; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:41:58 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28298 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:41:58 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-41-111.s111.tnt10.brd.erols.com [207.172.41.111]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id SAA06235 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:41:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36941C54.59FE@erols.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:30:44 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam References: <852566F1.00787AD2.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Langsam PostedDate: 01/06/99 09:30:44 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/06/99 06:41:49 PM-01/06/99 06:41:50 PM,01/06/99 06:41:48 PM-01/06/99 06:41:50 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/06/99 06:41:50 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Do we have a fixed timetable for our meeting? Yedidya is OK with the day. > -Moishe I hope so. I e-mailed both of you that I am planning to arrive at your office at about noon. My train is due in at 11:15 and that should be plenty of time to take the subway to your office. What is the address of your office? I will work on an agenda later this evening if I have time. suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F1.00167E69; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:05:41 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06176; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:05:51 -0500 Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17926 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:05:51 -0500 Received: from mindspring.com ([209.86.137.72]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03037 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:05:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36943233.238650E2@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:04:03 -0500 From: mwerg@mindspring.com Organization: Entertainment Resource Group, Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam Family References: <852566F0.00827F83.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: mwerg@mindspring.com From: mwerg@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Langsam Family PostedDate: 01/06/99 11:04:03 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/05/99 11:05:42 PM-01/06/99 12:34:20 AM,01/06/99 12:34:16 AM-01/06/99 12:34:54 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/06/99 12:34:54 AM Categories: $Revisions: Thanks for your email. I checked with my grandmother Ann Wolf (formerly Wolosky) who is 91 year's old and she said she had a cousin Pesach Langsam on her father's side. He lived in Jersey City, NJ and worked for the Ward Baking Company. Then he moved to New York City or Brooklyn, she couldn't remember and then again to San Francisco. She also said her cousin Molly Wolosky, also on her father's side was from Sanok. I hope this helps. I am curious to know if there is any connection. Sincerely, Marcy Wolf moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > Hi, > I found your email listed under JewishGen's Family Finder on the internet. > I am working on a family tree starting with Pesach Langsam, born in 1748. > I have a website devoted to this pursuit and > would welcome your feedback. It is at > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > Please note that the URL is case-sensitive. > If your browser has problems (like some old AOL browsers) > accessing this page, please try the tree itself at > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/homemilr.htm > If neither one works, try to redirect from > http://members.tripod.com/mmill > Please bear in mind that "clicking" on the tree image from > any page will bring you back to the homepage. > > Thanks for your time! > -Moishe Miller > moishe_miller@prusec.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F1.001156D4; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:09:23 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27152; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:09:34 -0500 Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23528 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:09:34 -0500 From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Received: from MISSAQUE@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FNPEa05501 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:07:40 +1900 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:07:40 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam Family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 SMTPOriginator: MISSAQUE@aol.com From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam Family PostedDate: 01/05/99 10:07:40 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/05/99 10:09:30 PM-01/06/99 12:34:15 AM,01/06/99 12:34:11 AM-01/06/99 12:34:37 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/06/99 12:34:37 AM Categories: $Revisions: My grandmother Esther Langsam Feldman was from Poland,,,from what my mother has said it may have been Warsaw $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F1.000433DC; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:45:54 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA09342; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:46:05 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA34302 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:46:05 -0500 From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Received: from MISSAQUE@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DZHLa20555 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:11 +1900 (EST) Message-Id: <23f20d78.3692b0af@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:11 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam Family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 SMTPOriginator: MISSAQUE@aol.com From: MISSAQUE@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam Family PostedDate: 01/05/99 07:39:11 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/05/99 07:46:04 PM-01/05/99 07:46:05 PM,01/05/99 07:46:00 PM-01/05/99 07:46:00 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/05/99 07:46:00 PM Categories: $Revisions: In a message dated 1/5/1999 6:45:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, moishe_miller@prusec.com writes: << www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm >> Hi..My grandmother Esther was a Langsam, from Polland......... My mother told me about a David, Rose Langsam, when I speak to my uncle who is quite old maybe he can fill me in with a little more..I too am from Brooklyn, please keep in touch.. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F0.0063DB89; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:10:42 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26758; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:10:53 -0500 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21648 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:10:53 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-182-16.s16.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.16]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA12571 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:10:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36919A10.283D@erols.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:50:24 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam References: <852566EF.007BBAFB.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Langsam PostedDate: 01/04/99 11:50:24 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/05/99 01:10:48 PM-01/05/99 01:10:49 PM,01/05/99 01:10:44 PM-01/05/99 01:10:45 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/05/99 01:10:45 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I had been corresponding with Naomi and lost track of her. She and I have had many interesting "conversations" about the Blau-Langsam-Diller connection. She has sent me some material from landsmanschaften and family events. I'm so glad she got in touch with you so I have a new e-mail address. I will contact her immediately with my new information. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566F0.0009FA9B; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:48:59 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23286; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:49:12 -0500 Received: from grover.en.com (grover.en.com [204.89.181.10]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21136 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:49:12 -0500 Received: from lmagyar (p21-clv2-ts3.en.net [207.180.218.149]) by grover.en.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02418 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:47:12 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: RE: Our Family Website Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:42:44 -0500 Message-Id: <000d01be384c$b0f26c60$95dab4cf@lmagyar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <852566EE.00012772.00@notes.prusec.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: lmagyar@en.com From: lmagyar@en.com Subject: RE: Our Family Website PostedDate: 01/04/99 08:42:44 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: lmagyar@en.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/04/99 08:49:10 PM-01/04/99 08:49:11 PM,01/04/99 08:49:08 PM-01/04/99 08:49:08 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/04/99 08:49:09 PM Categories: $Revisions: Hi Moishe, I have reviewed your updated website, and all I can say- it is incredible. Once again you have set a standard for all of us to aspire to. May you continue to be a source of Nachas to your family and Klal Yisroel. On my recent trip to Israel I picked up more material on the Perlmutter family and especially on the Rosenfeld family, all descendants of Yakov Uri and Jitte Leah. Should I bring copies with me on my next visit. Best wishes, Louis Schonfeld > -----Original Message----- > From: moishe_miller@prusec.com [mailto:moishe_miller@prusec.com] > Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 7:12 PM > To: TEK@cc.bellcore.com; appelkraut@provide.net; > 70732.1325@compuserve.com; Phyllis_Payne@datascope.com; Rakevet@aol.com; > mschwa@aol.com; LiSchwa@aol.com; sporton@erols.com; miller@tafa.com; > lenga@mdlib.huji.ac.il; Morris_Muller@tdc.com; tsemmele@datafirst.fr; > Barditchev@aol.com; MG1041@aol.com; Jbenson425@aol.com; > mumbaz2000@aol.com; CLIsrael@aol.com; si55@aol.com; MiriamW@aol.com; > rachelp1@juno.com; peninaD@aol.com; phillip.rosenblatt@bakernet.com; > msh210@is7.nyu.edu; tedlau@aol.com; nbl29@aol.com; > Naftali_MLangsam@compuserve.com; coffeebreak@mailhost.net; > lousmagyar@aol.com; MannyHitek@aol.com; safetots@aol.com; > 106607.620@compuserve.com; Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch; > mmcohen@mambo.ucsc.edu; fdjm89a@prodigy.com; dmlangsa@email.uncc.edu; > averymh@touro.edu; dxxf98a@prodigy.com; mrcigar@supernet.net; > mlangsam@surfer.xti.com; qcjack@tadirantele.com > Subject: Our Family Website > > > Hi, > I just wanted you to know that I have updated the website. Most > importantly > is a Sitemap, which gives an overview and snapshot of what is in the site. > Your comments and feedback as to how to make it clearer and more > understandable, would be much appreciated. > The site can be found at > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > Please note that the URL is case-sensitive. If your browser has problems > (like some old AOL browsers) accessing this page, please try the tree > itself at > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/homemilr.htm > If you can not reach it from there, try > http://members.tripod.com/mmill > which will redirect you to the site. Note that clicking on the "tree" on > any page will bring you back to the homepage. > Thanks! > -Moishe > moishe_miller@prusec.com > > PS: Please note my new email address. > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EE.005E53AA; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:10:18 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17876; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:10:29 -0500 Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159] (may be forged)) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA36150 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:10:29 -0500 Received: from clovis - 208.253.12.244 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:09:56 -0800 Message-Id: <001101be373c$ef809760$f40cfdd0@clovis> From: naomi-g@email.msn.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Langsam Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:17:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 SMTPOriginator: naomi-g@email.msn.com From: naomi-g@email.msn.com Subject: Langsam PostedDate: 01/03/99 12:17:17 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/03/99 12:10:26 PM-01/03/99 12:10:27 PM,01/03/99 12:10:24 PM-01/03/99 12:10:26 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/03/99 12:10:26 PM Categories: $Revisions: Funny you should ask. My great-aunt Ethel Blau passed away last Monday at 95. On Wednesday her remaining sister, Nedra Glasser, 84; Nedra's daughter, Abbe; and I buried her at Mt. Hebron in Queens. (Unfortunately it was the coldest day of the week and had a biting wind to boot so it was a short ceremony.) While we were there Abbe and I visited the office to see which other family graves are in that cemetery and came up with quite a few in the Bnei Joseph Degel area of Block 11, Path 14, Section 6. I imagine that you have been there. Seeing so many Blaus, Dillers and Langsams side by side makes me think that there probably is a real connection, but Nedra, 84, does not really know what it is. Anyway, what we particularly noted was the grave of a Gitel Blau. Gitel is Nedra's middle name. I saw from your website that the name also occurs in the Langsam family. Abbe and I plan to return in the spring when it is warmer. Do you have any information to share on Bnei Joseph Degel? Thanks for keeping in touch! Naomi $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EE.001A67DC; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:48:25 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25622; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:48:36 -0500 Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.34.60]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20190 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:48:36 -0500 Received: (from sholoml@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (queuemail) id DXZV9NRA; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:48:16 EST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: "eli langsam" Fwd: Genealogy 1/3/99 Read 518465682 Message-Id: <19990101.005002.7887.1.sholoml@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3 From: sholoml@juno.com Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:48:16 EST SMTPOriginator: sholoml@juno.com From: sholoml@juno.com Subject: "eli langsam" Fwd: Genealogy 1/3/99 Read 518465682 PostedDate: 01/02/99 11:48:16 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/02/99 11:48:28 PM-01/03/99 05:57:19 AM,01/03/99 05:57:17 AM-01/03/99 05:57:30 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/03/99 05:57:30 AM Categories: $Revisions: can you please explain some more about what this is all about? thanks in advance! 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566ED.00537154; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:11:25 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16592; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:11:36 -0500 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA34370 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:11:36 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-53-189.s189.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.189]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA26931 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:14:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <368E6061.2EDD@erols.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 10:07:29 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: date for visit References: <852566EB.00513697.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: date for visit PostedDate: 01/02/99 01:07:29 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 01/02/99 10:11:32 AM-01/02/99 10:11:33 AM,01/02/99 10:11:29 AM-01/02/99 10:11:30 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 01/02/99 10:11:30 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > We can meet by my office or at a resteraunt at 160 Broadway. Closest train > to me is 5 minute walk (IRT #2), Fulton street station. It is a 1 minute > walk from the Fulton St station to the resteraunt, which is the stop for > trains: A,C,E,F,2,3,4,5,J,M,Z. > -Moishe > > srwynne@erols.com > Thursday December 31, 1998 11:55 AM > > Please respond to srwynne@erols.com > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu > Subject: Re: date for visit > > moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > > > Suzan, > > Spoke with Yedidya. Tue the 12th sounds good. Does it work for you? I can > > take a long lunch. > > -Moishe > > > > Yes, the 12th is good. I am unfamiliar with the street your office is > on. Should I take a taxi from the train station or is there a good > subway connection? Let's say for the sake of planning that we'll meet > at noon. I will bring each of you a couple of fresh copies of the book > (not the update which is out of print and not terribly relevant to > either of you) and as much backup material as I can carry. > > Suzan > > Moishe, I would prefer to come to your office. I will be carrying material that I would not want to take into a restaurant. Perhaps we can meet for a while and THEN go to lunch. My sense is we'd make better progress if we have an agenda for our gathering and some goals for what we want to accomplish. I'll give this some thought this week and e-mail you and Yedidyah with my thoughts. suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EB.004CA1AC; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:57:01 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18182; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:57:12 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA38736 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:57:12 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-35-135.s135.tnt9.brd.erols.com [207.172.35.135]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12452; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:57:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <368BAC9C.2FC0@erols.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:55:56 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: date for visit References: <852566EB.0004F2F5.00@notes.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: date for visit PostedDate: 12/31/98 11:55:56 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/31/98 08:57:07 AM-12/31/98 08:57:08 AM,12/31/98 08:57:05 AM-12/31/98 08:57:05 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/31/98 08:57:05 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Suzan, > Spoke with Yedidya. Tue the 12th sounds good. Does it work for you? I can > take a long lunch. > -Moishe > Yes, the 12th is good. I am unfamiliar with the street your office is on. Should I take a taxi from the train station or is there a good subway connection? Let's say for the sake of planning that we'll meet at noon. I will bring each of you a couple of fresh copies of the book (not the update which is out of print and not terribly relevant to either of you) and as much backup material as I can carry. Suzan > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EB.004C1A53; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:51:14 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23542; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:51:28 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13172 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:51:28 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA22646 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:51:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <001201be34c4$88234600$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: date for visit Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:50:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: date for visit PostedDate: 12/31/98 08:50:29 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/31/98 08:51:22 AM-12/31/98 08:51:22 AM,12/31/98 08:51:22 AM-12/31/98 08:51:23 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/31/98 08:51:23 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe, I just realized that I don't have your phone number(s) and address, can ======================================================== Professor Yedidyah Langsam Department of Computer & Information Science Brooklyn College 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11210 voice: (718) 951-4161 email: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu icq: 10661149 web page: http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ======================================================== you send them to me. Thanks Yedidyah $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EB.00222BA5; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:13:13 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22656; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:13:25 -0500 Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com (arl-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.132]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14970 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:13:24 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id BAA23358 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:12:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:12:23 -0500 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199812310112_MC2-6519-4547@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. PostedDate: 12/31/98 01:12:23 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/31/98 01:21:24 AM-12/31/98 01:21:26 AM,12/31/98 01:21:23 AM-12/31/98 01:21:24 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/31/98 01:21:24 AM Categories: $Revisions: Don't Americans have New Years off? He may have movedf on since the websote was last amended. Good luck finding him. David $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EB.00100C28; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:55:16 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23074; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:55:27 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA33098 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:55:27 -0500 Received: from tzfas (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA03752 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:55:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <004701be3468$bcec52c0$3901f592@tzfas.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: FTM & Ahroni font Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:34:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: FTM & Ahroni font PostedDate: 12/30/98 09:34:39 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/30/98 09:55:19 PM-12/30/98 09:55:20 PM,12/30/98 09:55:16 PM-12/30/98 09:55:17 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/30/98 09:55:17 PM Categories: $Revisions: Thanks for the stuff you brought over. Sorry I missed you! There were three CD's Should I copy all three? What is the FBC file? Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 7:33 PM Subject: FTM & Ahroni font >Please save all 3 attachments: >(See attached file: Yedidya.FBC) >(See attached file: Ahronbde.fon)(See attached file: Ahronbdy.ttf) > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EA.00723133; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:47:16 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA02838; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:47:29 -0500 Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com (hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA36434 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:47:29 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id PAA15136 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:46:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:46:03 -0500 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199812301546_MC2-6515-3BD5@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. PostedDate: 12/30/98 03:46:03 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/30/98 03:47:24 PM-12/30/98 03:47:25 PM,12/30/98 03:47:25 PM-12/30/98 03:58:50 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/30/98 03:58:50 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, That's the best I've got. I have never been in touch with him, only saw his name when I searched my own via AltaVista and noted that he was responsible for handing out large sums of money for research and development of the former Eastern Bloc (where we all come from!) and didn't try to contact him - although a few hundred thousand dollars would not go astray. I WANTED to, but I held back. Decorum. But they have phone numbers so a quick call from NY to DC could be productive. I'd be pleased to be kept informed. Shana Tova shel Gregory. D. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EA.00575111; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:53:43 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23126; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:53:56 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27762 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:53:56 -0500 Received: from tzfas (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA01390 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:53:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <002a01be340c$544df680$3901f592@tzfas.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: date for visit Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:48:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: date for visit PostedDate: 12/30/98 10:48:32 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/30/98 10:53:49 AM-12/30/98 10:53:50 AM,12/30/98 10:53:50 AM-12/30/98 10:53:51 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/30/98 10:53:51 AM Categories: $Revisions: sounds good to me... now lets pick a date :) Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:29 AM Subject: Re: date for visit >The American Cafe is under "Chof-Kay", is near me, at 160 Broadway (Liberty >& Maiden), and is inexpensive. Noon or slightly earlier is the best time to >be there. >-Moishe > > > >langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu >Wednesday December 30, 1998 >To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential >cc: >Subject: Re: date for visit > > > > >NYC is fine..... > >We should also plan for lunch.... > >Yedidyah >-----Original Message----- >From: moishe_miller@prusec.com >To: srwynne@erols.com >Cc: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu >Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:04 PM >Subject: Re: date for visit > > >>I am located at One Seaport Plaza (). If we are talking about a daytime >>visit, for me to particpate in person, it would need to be in NYC. >>Yedidyah, is my location viable to you? Suzan, if this does not work for >>Yedidya, are any of those dates possible for you in the evening, in >>Brooklyn? >>-Moishe >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EA.00259965; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:50:41 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12968; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:50:49 -0500 Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com (arl-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.135]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27782 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:50:49 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id BAA17847 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:50:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:49:45 -0500 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199812300150_MC2-6502-4DC@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. PostedDate: 12/30/98 01:49:45 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/30/98 01:50:47 AM-12/30/98 01:50:48 AM,12/30/98 01:50:47 AM-12/30/98 01:50:48 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/30/98 01:50:48 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, David Langsam is care of International Research & Exchanges Board (IREX) 1616 H Street, NW Washington, DC 20006 Telephone: (202) 628-8188 Fax: (202) 628-8189 E-mail: irex@gwuvm.gwu.edu I think he is vice president or Director of Capital Development or somesuch. Alex Langsam is much harder to contact. He owns hotels in Manchester and Liverpool and has had a number of people claim to be family in order to try to fleece him. It would not surprise me if his response is sceptical. Last I heard he had a very bad case of rheumatoid arthritis and that made his working life very difficult. you can try faxing Manchester 44.161.2367416 or writing to him at: Britannia Hotels Former Fire Station London Road Picadilly Manchester U.K. M1 2PH best of luck David $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EA.00053E5B; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:57:16 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29760; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:57:27 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14276 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:57:26 -0500 Received: from tzfas (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA11684 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <005e01be338f$17c551e0$3901f592@tzfas.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: date for visit Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:55:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: date for visit PostedDate: 12/29/98 07:55:09 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/29/98 07:57:21 PM-12/29/98 07:57:22 PM,12/29/98 07:57:16 PM-12/29/98 07:57:18 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/29/98 07:57:18 PM Categories: $Revisions: NYC is fine..... We should also plan for lunch.... Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: moishe_miller@prusec.com To: srwynne@erols.com Cc: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:04 PM Subject: Re: date for visit >I am located at One Seaport Plaza (). If we are talking about a daytime >visit, for me to particpate in person, it would need to be in NYC. >Yedidyah, is my location viable to you? Suzan, if this does not work for >Yedidya, are any of those dates possible for you in the evening, in >Brooklyn? >-Moishe > > > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566E9.00712BE6; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:36:08 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18918; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:36:18 -0500 Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12200 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:36:16 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-120-101.s101.tnt14.brd.erols.com [207.172.120.101]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04830; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <368963A1.1875@erols.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:20:01 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: date for visit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: date for visit PostedDate: 12/29/98 06:20:01 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/29/98 03:36:13 PM-12/29/98 03:36:13 PM,12/29/98 03:36:08 PM-12/29/98 03:36:09 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/29/98 03:36:09 PM Categories: $Revisions: This morning, I had my initial meeting about my new job and got a much better idea of what January looks like. I have a task to do by January 26 and as long as it's done, I am free to make my own schedule. I propose coming up on January 11 or 12. I could also make it on the 13th, but I'd rather not. I'm also free on January 14. My plan would be to catch the train at about 7 (not sure of the time or when it gets in) which would get me to the city around 10:30-11. We could certainly meet by noon. I would take the train back after our meeting concludes. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566E9.006FDDA8; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:21:52 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16708; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:22:03 -0500 Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com (arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16822 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:22:03 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id PAA28245 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:21:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:20:15 -0500 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199812291521_MC2-64FA-8FB0@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Re: Chanuka & etc. PostedDate: 12/29/98 03:20:15 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/29/98 03:21:59 PM-12/29/98 03:22:00 PM,12/29/98 03:21:55 PM-12/29/98 03:21:56 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/29/98 03:21:56 PM Categories: $Revisions: Richard Dawkins gives a definite to that, it's just a matter of how far back. When I met Alex Langsam in Manchester it was really unbelievable. Blue eyes receding witches peak, full ear lobes, BIG lungs, deep booming voice, and very much like my uncle Simon ... whose original name was Alexander! But how do you find a connection with the information we have? Can a DNA test do it - I understand they are horendously expensive. Can my namesake David Langsam who is the deputy boss of IREX give us a lot of money to research this intriguing academic problem? best regards for the new goyisher year, David $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566E9.0050567D; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:37:30 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23424; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:41:45 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA30472 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:37:40 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA09651; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <013101be3338$a393a520$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com, srwynne@erols.com Subject: icq vs email Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:36:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012E_01BE330E.B944B8C0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 $FILE: SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: icq vs email PostedDate: 12/29/98 09:36:34 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential,srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/29/98 09:37:36 AM-12/29/98 09:37:37 AM,12/29/98 09:37:32 AM-12/29/98 09:37:34 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/29/98 09:37:34 AM Categories: $Revisions: Hello, Do any of you use ICQ? If so, we could communicate directly when we are on, rather than the delay of email. If you wish to download it, you can find details at www.icq.com Just a thought! Yedidyah ======================================================== Professor Yedidyah Langsam Department of Computer & Information Science Brooklyn College 2900 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11210 voice: (718) 951-4161 email: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu icq: 10661149 web page: http://eilat.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ======================================================== - att-1.htm $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566E8.007C95DD; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:40:48 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23838; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:44:37 -0500 Received: from arl-img-11.compuserve.com (arl-img-11.compuserve.com [149.174.217.141]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA35284 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:40:58 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) id RAA08029 for moishe_miller@prusec.com; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:40:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:39:57 -0500 From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Chanuka & etc. Sender: DingoNet@compuserve.com To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Message-Id: <199812281740_MC2-64E2-EE5F@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline SMTPOriginator: DingoNet@compuserve.com From: DingoNet@compuserve.com Subject: Chanuka & etc. PostedDate: 12/28/98 05:39:57 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/28/98 05:40:55 PM-12/28/98 05:40:56 PM,12/28/98 05:40:51 PM-12/28/98 05:40:52 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/28/98 05:40:53 PM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, good to hear from you again. No new Langsams other than the seven week old Alexander George sleeping (momentarily) in the next room. Isn't he enough, already? He is really a very wonderful and totally Langsam boy. Golden red hair, deep dark blue eyes, the Langsam schnoz and lungs and huge feet and hands, so like the rest of us he can work with his hands and be creative with them at the same time - an attribute of all my family. we love him to bits and will make you some more Langsams as soon as we are able to get some sleep in the same time zone. Best regards David Asheley & Alexander $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566E8.0050B27D; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:41:25 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13088; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:45:01 -0500 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14664 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:41:36 -0500 Received: from langsam (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA17648 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <002401be3270$08d11a40$3901f592@langsam.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: book progress Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:40:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: book progress PostedDate: 12/28/98 09:40:35 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/28/98 09:41:34 AM-12/28/98 09:41:38 AM,12/28/98 09:41:35 AM-12/28/98 09:41:36 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/28/98 09:41:36 AM Categories: $Revisions: Moshe, I'm glad to hear about your wife. Please give me a call,and we can meet perhaps in the evening. I am pretty free these days. Yedidyah -----Original Message----- From: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com To: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu ; srwynne@erols.com Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 9:25 AM Subject: Re: book progress > Hi Suzan & Yedidyah, > My wife has had a full recovery, thank G-d. I would be very interested > in meeting with you. It might be easier for you , Suzan, if we met in > NYC. I have an office at the Seaport. However, if we meet in Brooklyn, > my house is open to you. Yedidya, I am not off until January 28. > Perhaps you can swing by some time before we all meet to see the > software Suzan and I speak of? I have a version and a book for you. > BTW, this address will expire at the end of 1998, so please do NOT use > it anymore. My new address has been functional since 1998 and is what > I go into every day. It is: > moishe_miller@prusec.com > > Take Care! > -Moishe > $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566D7.005F49C1; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:20:48 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25246; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:20:59 -0500 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05028 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:20:58 -0500 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa19255; 11 Dec 98 9:16 PST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: One more time... Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:16:29 -0800 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9812110916.aa19255@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: One more time... PostedDate: 12/11/98 12:16:29 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/11/98 12:20:51 PM-12/11/98 12:20:58 PM,12/11/98 12:20:55 PM-12/11/98 12:22:46 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/11/98 12:22:47 PM Categories: $Revisions: I received your update disk, uploaded all files, and updated some of them in accordance with your recent email requests. Subsequently, I modified langsam/langsam.htm and langsam/mendel.htm to use "the U.S." instead of "US" in a few places. Dan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566D4.005BDC78; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:22 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA84670; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:33 -0500 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA31116 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:32 -0500 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa05395; 8 Dec 98 8:35 PST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Heads Up! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:00:31 EST." <852566D4.00527461.00@notes2.prusec.com> Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:35:25 -0800 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9812080835.aa05395@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: Heads Up! PostedDate: 12/08/98 11:35:25 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/08/98 11:43:31 AM-12/08/98 11:43:35 AM,12/08/98 11:43:29 AM-12/08/98 11:43:31 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/08/98 11:43:31 AM Categories: $Revisions: > Sent a new disk on Monday. When you receive it, please modify > langsam/mendel.htm as follows: > Can you replace the following section of HTML and change the date on the > bottom of the page to read 12/8/98? I will do so and let you know when it is done. >
    • Ephraim (1835 - 1941) was married to > Malka. They lived in Tereve/Lisko, Galicia & had 6 children. Ephraim > lived to 106. He was killed by the Nazis. Here is > a rough tree of the family. Do you really mean to have YCHSQ4.prn in upper case? All the file names, at least so far, are in lower case. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566D3.004C43E8; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:53:01 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15412; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:53:14 -0500 Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by pruns1 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16146 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:53:14 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-69-120.s279.tnt11.brd.erols.com [207.172.69.120]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29835 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:53:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <366C00E4.33C4@erols.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:23:00 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Pesach Miller References: <852566D2.00515E8D.00@notes2.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Pesach Miller PostedDate: 12/07/98 11:23:00 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/07/98 08:53:08 AM-12/07/98 08:53:09 AM,12/07/98 08:53:07 AM-12/07/98 08:53:07 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/07/98 08:53:08 AM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Suzan, > Can you direct Deborah Peskin in any way? Do you know about Nemirov > records? It was near Lviv, but the 1900 timeframe is far more recent. Is > there a USC in that neighbourhood? Should she write to the town as well? > Any input you could provide would be greatly appreciated. > Also, I have put out an upgrade to the website, although the actual page > providing the overview of your book still has not been updated. It requires > way too much thought, based on your last few emails, something I am not > able to devote properly just yet. Anyhow, I though you might like the > SITEMAP. > Take Care and thanks! > -Moishe > > dx2etc@email.msn.com > Friday December 4, 1998 03:58 PM > To: Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential > cc: > Subject: Re: Pesach Miller > > Moishe, > > All I know about my g-g-grandfather Pesach Muller is that he lived in > Nemirov, Galicia. He and his wife had three children: Sholem, Meyer, and > Chaje Gitel (Gussie) who was my great grandmother. According to Gussie's > 1903 NYC marriage certificate, her mother's maiden name was Ruchel Millar > (with an "a"). I don't know if this was a clerical error--it seems like > too > much of a coincidence. The children immigrated to NYC while their parents > remained behind in Europe. I'm assuming Pesach died by 1906 because Gussie > and her husband had a son born in this year who was named after him. > > Does any of this sound familiar? Do you know where to write for records > from Nemirov? > > Regards, > > Deborah Peskin Moishe, I will get in touch with Deborah. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566D0.00634B36; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:04:33 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19800; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:04:45 -0500 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17282 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:04:45 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-121-189.s189.tnt15.brd.erols.com [207.172.121.189]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19512 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:04:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <36684D8E.2012@erols.com> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:01:02 -0800 From: srwynne@erols.com Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: family book References: <852566D0.006044DC.00@notes2.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: family book PostedDate: 12/04/98 04:01:02 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/04/98 01:04:34 PM-12/04/98 01:15:56 PM,12/04/98 01:15:54 PM-12/04/98 01:18:41 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/04/98 01:19:06 PM Categories: $Revisions: moishe_miller@prusec.com wrote: > > Hi, > Please use this new address. The old one will stop working. > My wife had a relapse of Bell's Palsy and my son needs a tonsilectomy, so > its been a little busy for me. I have not done much work on it either. > -Moishe > moishe_miller@prusec.com > ---------------------- Forwarded by Moishe Miller/PSG/Prudential on > 12/04/98 12:26 PM --------------------------- > Moishe, I'm so sorry to hear about all this. You never said anything about your wife's Bell's Palsy so this is all news to me. How is it manifesting itself? The same as before? Yes, I'm sure you are busy...obviously the family history project sinks to the bottom of the priority list. Let me know how things are going. Suzan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566CE.0061A873; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:46:41 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA83172; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:46:52 -0500 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14456 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:46:50 -0500 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa03771; 2 Dec 98 9:33 PST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: more problems In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:21:09 PST." <9812020921.aa02584@paris.ics.uci.edu> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:33:20 -0800 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9812020933.aa03771@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: more problems PostedDate: 12/02/98 12:33:20 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/02/98 12:46:45 PM-12/02/98 12:46:47 PM,12/02/98 12:46:45 PM-12/02/98 12:46:45 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/02/98 12:46:45 PM Categories: $Revisions: In files toc.htm and langsam/jacktree.htm, all references that start with a "/" are incorrect. For example, Email Addresses will not work and must be replaced with Email Addresses $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566CE.00604A3E; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:44 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19088; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:23 -0500 Received: from paris.ics.uci.edu (mmdf@paris.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.50]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06682 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:21 -0500 Received: from verity.ics.uci.edu by paris.ics.uci.edu id aa02584; 2 Dec 98 9:21 PST To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Cc: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: Heads Up! Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:21:09 -0800 From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Message-Id: <9812020921.aa02584@paris.ics.uci.edu> SMTPOriginator: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu From: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu Subject: Re: Heads Up! PostedDate: 12/02/98 12:21:09 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential CopyTo: dan@verity.ics.uci.edu $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/02/98 12:33:32 PM-12/02/98 12:33:35 PM,12/02/98 12:33:00 PM-12/02/98 12:33:01 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 12/02/98 12:33:01 PM Categories: $Revisions: 1. I received your update disk and have copied all the files to the web site. 2. I note that the following files do not seem to be referenced anywhere. Should they be deleted? Directory Unreferenced files ========= ================== Main review.xls langsam david.txt debie.txt rpsab1.txt rpsab2.txt rpsab3.txt rpsab4.txt rpsab5.txt ychsq4.txt miller_.wps spira uri.txt 3. In file brknmilr.htm, there is a reference to "RPSAB.TXT" which, perhaps, should be changed to "rpsab.txt" Dan $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566C7.00723D9D; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:47:48 -0500 Received: from ima-gw-1.cs.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15162; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:47:59 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ima-gw-1.ccmail.prusec.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 001996DC; Wed, 25 Nov 98 15:44:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:46:07 -0500 Message-Id: <001996DC.CE21501@ccmail.prusec.com> From: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com Subject: Re: RECORDS To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part SMTPOriginator: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com From: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com Subject: Re: RECORDS PostedDate: 11/25/98 03:46:07 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/25/98 03:47:50 PM-11/25/98 03:47:51 PM,11/25/98 03:48:21 PM-11/25/98 03:48:23 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 11/25/98 03:48:23 PM Categories: $Revisions: Have you contacted Norman Rabinowicz re the Langsam connection? Did I tell you that there are two Langsam brothers I know/knew in Salford near Manchester, England. Their father was from Vienna - his father probably from Galicia. Their mother was a kinswoman of mine via Horowitz. The two must be in their sixties by now. Odd but pleasant. You could call them too... Bye for now, Simon $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566C7.00722EE6; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:47:11 -0500 Received: from ima-gw-1.cs.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA66556; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:47:22 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ima-gw-1.ccmail.prusec.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise) id 001996D7; Wed, 25 Nov 98 15:43:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:44:12 -0500 Message-Id: <001996D7.CE21501@ccmail.prusec.com> From: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com Subject: MILLER IN SLOVAKIA To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Content-Type: text/basic; name="note.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: MS-DOS text file Content-Disposition: inline; filename="note.txt" SMTPOriginator: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com From: Moishe_Miller@ccmail.prusec.com Subject: MILLER IN SLOVAKIA PostedDate: 11/25/98 03:44:12 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/25/98 03:47:20 PM-11/25/98 03:47:21 PM,11/25/98 03:47:51 PM-11/25/98 03:47:52 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 11/25/98 03:47:52 PM Categories: $Revisions: 7#^>=EWu<=h<=h<=hj<="L,:HHHHdFF*h>=%>0>>h>>>>>>LDS FILM Nr. 1792046 ITEM 2: Bardejov - Geburt-, Trauung-, Toten: 1852 - 1882 Geburtsprotokoll = Szueletesiegyzo"koenyv W = Wohnung der Eltern = Szueloek lakasa = WdE H = Hebamme Bs = Beschneider = Mohel * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Raszlawiter Bezk (county) includes: * Wanyiskotz * Lenarto * Rozlawitz * Kruslo * Luko * Scharpatok * Moschuro * ......... (ETC.) Makowitzer Bezirk (county) includes: * Zboro * ......... (ETC.) page, entry no.Nameborn onVaterMutterWohnung der ElternHebammeMohel p.1Mullerp.4Wolf27 January 1853 Lejzer MillerChanaWanyiskotzp.5Rottenbergp.6Abraham4 November 1853Izral MillerGittelLenartoDon Fraenkelp.7Abraham20 December 1853Nathan Josef BraunfeldRifka BraunfeldRozlawitzIzak ?Beter?p.8, line 3Wolff15 January 1853Majer SchiffAltaZboroBlima PerlJosef Weinfeldp.9Chana3 July 1853Wolf LandauZborop.9Breindel19 July 1853Baruch HorowitzRifkaZborop.9Landaup.9Hollaenderp.9Weissmanp.10Gutterp.11Gutterp.14, 2nd fr bottomSzoscha24 September 1854Chaskel WeinfeldMalkaFritskep.15Zlata1 April 1854Izral MillerGitel WolfKruslop.17Leja16 March 1854Moses HorowitzMalkaZborop.17Aron30 March 1854Pinkes LandauJehudeszZborop.18Elowitsp.22Rosen-wasserp.23Kornp.25, 3rd itemChaja10 January 1855Majer SchiffFreidaLadamerBlima Perlp.27, 2nd fr bottomWolf14 June 1855Josef WeinbergerJente FriedmanZboroB.PerlAb. Frischp.28, Nr.5Josef18 November 1856Leiser MillerEster KleinLukop.28, Nr.9Markus14 March 1856Jakob SzamethHani RapaportScharpatokp.29, Nr.15Chana18 December 1856Izral MillerAtila ??Moschurop.30Englaenderp.32Elowitsp.32Rosnerp.33Hollaenderp.35Hollaenderp.35Baruch8 June 1857J.Moses NeumannChawa LipschitzTarnowp.36Hollaenderp.36Rosen-wasserp.37, Nr.8Regina15 April 1857Pinkes LandauSewa Zelten-reichZborop.37, last itemSamuel12 March 1857Mendel KohnRifka SchiffBecheroMaria HolzAb. Frischp.39, Nr.33Scheindel20 October 1857Moses MillerLeniMesztiszkap.40, Nr.9Jakob10 April 1858Jonasz DiamandRosi MillerMalzop.45WinterLod amerp.45WinterLodamerp.47, Nr.34Kati23 October 1858Herman FraenkelIta LandauCzerninp.48Englaenderp.48, l. 6, Nr.45Eszter16 June 1858Josef WeinbergerHani FriedmanZboroBlima Perlp.54, line 3Szara Rechel20 January 1859Bernath Wei! nbergerRosi GuttmanZboroBlima Perl pp p.54, line 4Gittl5 June 1859J.M. WertheimerHani WeinfeldZboroBlima Perlp.54, line 7Szara26 January 1859Nathan WeismanEli SchiffZborobefore p.55, l.2 Nr.15Fani/Toni ?????3 February 1859Emanuel KohnRifka SchiffBecheroKohanaM.Kohnp.58, last linePinkasz27 December 1859Nathan WeismanEti SchiffZboroB.PerlJ.Waldp.61, Nr.2Lazar12 January 1860Moses WeinbergerSali GoldfingerKruzslowap.61, Nr.12Matilda10 May 1860Josef WeinbergerRachel SpiraLadamerp.62, l.5 Nr.18Izak25 June 1860J.M. WertheimChana WeinfeldZboroB.Perlp.62, l.8 Nr.21Chaja14 January 1860Josef WeinbergerJenta FriedmanZboroB.Perlp.74 Weinbergerp.75 Weinbergerp.82, Nr.8 Kanengiserp.82, Nr.10 Elowits Rapaportp.82. Nr.9Majer4 March 1863J.M. WertheimerChana WeinfeldZboroB.Perlp.82, Nr.12Ester17 December 1863Nathan WeismanEster SchiffZborop.84, l.1 Nr.27Beni18 July 1863Loewi WeinbergerSiszel LuchsKuroetzp.86, l.2 Nr.54Ester17 December 1863Nathan WeismanEti SchiffZborop.86, 2nd fr bottom Nr.62Josef16 December 1863Dawid WeinfeldFradel SingerZboroB.Perlp.93 Weinbergerp.94, last item Nr.52Schaja1 December 1864M.Leib StrumEster WeinfeldZboroB.PerlL.Elowitsp.101,l.4 Nr.17Breindel18 June 1865Dawid WeinfeldFraidel SingerZboroB.Perlp.102, line 10, Nr.36Arja5 January 1865Rabbi Moses Teitelbom??ZboroB.PerlDer Vaterp.104, 2nd from last, Nr.51Feige6 November 1865Menasche WeinfeldScheindel FederZboroB.Perlp.107, Nr.8Benjamin16 February 1867J.M. Wertheim spelled Wirtheim hereChana WeinfeldZboroB.Perlp.126, line 11Edel6 February 1868Mano. WeinfeldScheindel FederZboroB.Perlp.135, line 6, Nr.45Izak12 December 1869Moses Peter-freindSara AlbertSwirzsop.138, line 7, Nr.33Malka25 June 1869Majer Leib StrumRechel Kupferman ?????Zborop.138, line 8, Nr.34Liba5 July 1869Ber EhrenreichEszter Weinfeld ?????Zborop.138, line 9, Nr.35Eszter Scheindel8 July 1869Dawid WeinfeldPerlp.142, line 5Gitel13 January 1870Leizer GuttmanMarim Beila SchiffHrabowtsikp.147, last item, Nr.76Brachja15 December 1870Josef Moses TeitelbaumHinde HalberstamZboroChaja NebelDerVaterp.151, line 8, Nr.21Breindel29 May 1871Majer Leib StrumEster WeinfeldZborop.156, Nr.1Gitel6 January 1872Moses WeinfeldSchendel FederZboroEidel Friedmanp.168, ist item, Nr.27Rifka21 December 1874Israel J. WertheimChana Pessel WeinfeldZborop.170, line 4, Nr.17Herman18 March 1875Moses Peter-freundSara AbertSvirzsop.171, line 2, Nr.28Chaim20 August 1875Jakob Hersch Brands-dorferFani KaufmanBartfeld Badep.172, line 2Resyi (?) (F)12 October 1875Uscher FriedmanHuze WeinfeldZborop.172, line 5Jehudesz (F)18 December 1875Manesz WeinfeldScheindel FederZborop.172 HuppertKomarnikp.173, Nr.3Chaim26 July 1876Moses Peter-freundSara AbertSvirzso Births go up to p.1......... Item 3: Bardejov Rabinat - Births, Marriages, Deaths 1842 - 1853. Item 3 only covers events that took place in the town of Bardiov itself. Nameborn onVaterMutterWohnung der ElternHebammeMohel p.1 HARD TO READ!!Chaim??1842Chanina KozickyLeiap.2, No.8Sprincza12 May 1843Samuel D. RapaportLiba HarpuderSEE BELOW!p.2, No.15FeuerlichtLandop.3Abraham22 August 1844Joseph Chaim WeinfeldRifka Rapapap.3Chaim Izaq... September 1844Loebl WeinfeldFreida Grauzp.4 p.51846Rosen-wasserp.61847Rapaportp.71848Abraham-ovitsp.81849Rapaportp.91850Abraham-ovits ET CETERA !!! [[ COMPARE: Tarnow JM Nr.17/1862: 25 April 1862: Baruch Keller, 21, born in Tarnow, son of Isaak and Keule Laie Keller in Tarnow, married Sprinze Rapaport, 20, born in Bartfeld, daughter of Samuel David and Liebe Eapaport in Bartfeld. ]] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ITEM 3: Trauungen Marriages in 1843: Nr.7: 5 September 1843: Chajim Josef Weinfeld, Gorlice, son of Abraham Weinfeld in Gorlice, married Rebeke Rapaport, Bartfeld, daughter of Saja Rapapa in Bartfeld. Nr.8: 5 October 1843: Loebel Weinfel, Zboro, son of Chaim Isak Weinfeld in Zboro, married Friede Grosz, Bartfeld, daughter of Michael Grosz in Bartfeld * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Item 3 CONTINUED: Bardejov - Marriages - 1852-1882: The Trauungsprotokoll 1852 - 1882 begins on p.196. Many were officiated at by rabbi Lipa Singer passim: Schreiber p.199 Singer p.201 Singer ......... Goldman Zboro p.201 Weinberger Sztropko Friedman Zboro p.203 Englaender p.203 Rosner p.204 Gaenger p.206 Singer p.208 Miller p.212 Kohn (Be p.213 Lauer-Miller p.214 Siegelmann-Rosenwasser p.215 Goldberg-Miller-Kupferman p.216 Landau p.217 Birnbaum (Neu Sandecz) p.218 Englaender p.219 Rosner (Neu Sandecz) p.223 Rosenwasser p.224 Reisz ... Schiff ... p.226 Englaender p.231 Miller pNr.2: Uscher Friedman, 26, geschieden, son of Dawid & Elka Friedman in Zboro, married on 26 December 1873 in Zboro Hussa Weinfeld, 27, single, daughter of Chune and Este Beila (?) in Zboro p.232 Schreiber p.234 Elovits p.236 Hochhaeuser p.237 Rubin -Rosenwasser p.239 Gottlieb p.240 Rosenwasser * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Item 3 CONTINUED: Bardejov - Deaths: The Todesprotokoll 1853 - ......... begins on p.256. It covers the Raszlawitzer Bezirk and the Makowitzer Bezirk. * * * * * * * * * * * * ITEM 4: Vol.61: Bardejov - Geburten, Trauungen, Toten: 1854-1874 Item 4 only contains records from the town of Bartfeld itself. BIRTHS: Nameborn onVaterMutterWohnung der ElternPathe / ZeugeMohel 1855AbrahamovitsMarkus Rapapa5 January 1855Samuel David RapapaLibaSauel Rapapa1856 Nr.69Izrael Rapapa12 November 1856Samuel RapapaLiebaBartfeld1856 Birenbaum1856Lando1856Bindiger1857Birnbaum1857Lando1857 Nr.26Leiser Schiff22 August 1857Majer SchiffAlteBartfeldSalamon Bindiger1857Abrahamovits1858 Nr.18 and ??Abrahamovits1858 Nr.5Chajem Rapoport14 May 1858Samuel Dawid RapaportLiba HarpuderBartfeld1858 Nr.23Peszel Genger13 October 1858Nuchem GengerRachel Friedman1858 Nr.27Lando1859 Nr.1SobelLando1859 Nr.6Mali Schoenberg15 March 1859Juda SchoenbergFani ReichmannBartfeld1859 Nr.18Kanarik1859 Nr.19Lando1859 Nr.26GengerFriedman1860 Nr.6Abrahamovits1860 Nr.21Birnbaum1860 Nr.25Genger1861 Nr.2Lando1861 Nr.5Lando1861 Nr.7??? SchiffMayer SchiffAlta1861 Nr.12Ester Schoenberg27 March 1861Juda SchoenbergFani Reichmann1861 Nr.17Schaul Rapaport10 August 1861Abraham RapaportFreida1862 Nr. ...Lasar Rapaport26 August 1862Abraham RapaportFreida WeinbergBartfeldBezalel Weinberg1862 Nr. ...Mari Genger27 August 1862Nachem GengerRachel nee GengerBartfeld1862 Nr. ...Leia Schoenberg28 August 1862Juedel SchoenbergFreida ReichmannRosen.........LandoKanarikGroszLande/LandoAbrahamovits1863 Nr.23Abrahamovits1864 Nr.4Akiwa Horowitz31 January 1864Mendel HorowitzPerl FischmanBartfeld1864 Nr.18Gitel Genger17 May 1864Nachim GengerRachel Friedman1864 Nr.34Sari Rivka15 November 1864Juedel SchoenbergFani Reichman1865 Nr.3Abrahamovits1865 Nr.4Kanarik1865 Nr.9Birenbaum1865 Nr. ???Lando1865 Nr.12Abrahamovits1865 Nr. ???HipschmannAbrahamovits1865 Nr. ???WaldTeitelbaumBIRTHSFROM 1865START AT p.99:Nr.8 1865... Jechiel13 December 1865Nachim GaengerRuechel FriedmanNr.24 18661866FrundAbrahamovitsNr.25 1866Gittel Eszter26 September 1866Abraham RapaportFreida WeinbergerNr.32 1866Jehidesz5 November 1866Juedel SchoenbergFradel ReichmanNr.33AbrahamovitsNr.19 1869BirenbaumNr.23AbrahamovitsNr.39Isak3 November 1867Nathan GaengerResi FriedmanMosko GaengerNr.14 1868BodnerBindigerNr.19 1868Moses Salamon29 May 1868Majer SchiffAlte RottenbergBartfeldNr.28 1868Ester14 September 1868Mendel HorowitzPerl FischmanNr.32 1868Fruchter RapaportNr.... 1869Dawid WertheimChaje TaubeNr.13 1869Leibisch6 April 1869David WertheimChaje WeinbergerNr.22 1869Majer Chajem28 July 1869Nathan GengerRachely FriedmanNr.31 1869Elimelech Diemand22 October 1869David DiemantBruche WeinbergerNr.38 1869AbrahamovitsNr.13 1870Israel Josef15 February 1870Nathan GaengerRachel FriedmanSamuel Gaenger aus GorliczaNr.14 1870Pinkasz Meilich19 October 1870Majer SchiffAlte RottenbergNr.16 1870SpiraAbrahamovitsNr.22 1870LandauNr.8 1871Scheindel20 August 1871Abraham RapaportFreida WeinbergerNr.14 1871Abrahamovits1872, Nr.6HollaenderRapaport1872, Nr.19Abrahamovits1872, Nr.21Isak18 August 1872Abraham RapaportFreide1872, Nr.25Chana Malka10 September 1872Abraham Josef WeinbergerEidel Weber1872, Nr.30Marjam7 October 1872Chiel BlausteinChane Weinberger1872, Nr.35Szari Malka15 November 1872Majer SchiffAlte Rottenberg1872, Nr.41Abrahamovits1873, Nr.22Salaman recte Sandor19 June 1873Juda Loebl TeitelbaumFeiga SternBartfeldNOTE 1897: Tardos1873, Nr.24Pesel7 July 1873David WertheimerChaja Toba Weinberger1873, Nr.28Ribka3 August 1873Mendel HorowitzPerl Fischman1873, Nr.32Kanarik1873, Nr.35Abrahamovits1873, Nr.36Perl24 September 1873Abraham RapaportFreide Weinberger1873, Nr.39Chana15 October 1873Binjamin Wolf SchiffRebeka Rottenberg1874, Nr.7Abrahamovits Item 4 continued: Marriages from 1855 until ......... 1855, Nr.7: Nuchem Genger 20 son of Moses Samuel Genger in Gorlice Bartfeld 4 September 1859 Rachel Friedmann 19 daughter of Moses Loebl and Riwka Friedmann, of Bartfeld Nr.62. p.66: 1858, Nr.1: Juda Schoenberg from Bobova, 20, son of Mendel Schoenberg from Bobova, Bartfeld Nr. ??? Bartfeld 15 March 1858 Fani Reichman daughter of Samuel Reichman and Chana, Bartfeld Nr.8. 1858, Nr.3: Kanarek from Pnio Rosenfeld in Bartfeld 1858, Nr.4: Wertheim Haas 1859, Nr.3: Maier Bierenbaum from Neu Sandec, 2..., son of Samuel Birnbaum and Ester Himmelblau Bartfeld 14 June 1859 Bora Goldberg of Bartfeld daughter of Leiser Goldberg and Leia Gutman, Bartfeld Nr.67. 1859, Nr.4: Rokeach from Constantinople Bindiger 1864, Nr....: Hipsman Abrahamovits 1868, Nr....: Aron Rokeach, 21, student, from Belzo son of Sendl Rokeach, rabbi in Belzo, and Eele 28 December 1868 Sure Bindiger daughter of Salamon Bindier and Sprinze, Bartfeld Nr.92. p.75: 1867, Nr.2: Hollaender from Neu Sandecz Rapaport from Bartfeld Nr.4 1867, Nr.6: Fruchter Rapaport 1868, Nr.1: Spira Abrahamovits 1868, Nr.3: Rendel Reichman 1871, Nr....: Abrahamovits Friedman p.77: 1872, Nr.2: Binjamin Wolf Schiff 23, student from Bobowa son of Juedel Schiff and Gitel, rabbi in Bobowa Bartfeld 2... June 1872 Sali Rebeka Rottenberg 20, of Bartfeld daughter of Saul Haendler and Chaja, Bartfeld Nr.375 p.79: Nr.17: 1873: Fraenkel from B Bindiger Item 4 continued: Deaths from 1855 until ......... ?? !! ?? !! ?? PageNo.DateFamily NameCalling Name, Ageborndiedburied152Rapapa156Rosenwasser158481 September 1855WertheimHany 24BartfeldBartfeld ?Nr.519?Bartfeld16412 July 1857WeinfeldMalko 25UreschowitzUreschowitzBartfeld1661858Rosenwasser1681858Schiff1681858Rosenwasser1701860Genger1701860Genger185Schiff185Schoenberg194Schoenberg aus Bobova198Rosenwasser204Rosenwasser204Schiff210Gaenger212Schiff212Rappaport214Rosenwasser ITEM 5: Bardejov - Births: 1886 - 1895 1886, Nr.8 Szobel - Weinberger ?? !! ?? !! ?? !! ?? !! ?? !! ?? Item 5 of 1792046 continues as Item 1 of 1792047 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LDS FILM Nr. 1792047 Item 1 starts with 19 October 1886 FolioNrnNameName545WienerRosenberg547GottliebRotenberg781887PanzerLorber1281888AltassWeinberger1421Rosenwasser1427GottliebRothenberg1754AtlaszWeinberger1841889Gottlieb185SchreiberWeinberger1911Kaufman19Mueller1914SingerGrossman2021Mueller2024Kaufmann2131Sc hreiber2356SingerTreitel2511KaufmanFriedman26Rosenwasser2846AtlaszWeinberger29541890LichtigSchreiber2955SchreiberSzobel2958WeinbergerRottenberg2959SingerTreitel311891Mueller32Miller33Rosenwasser371891PeterfreundKornhauserWeinberger391892Rosenwasser40Muelle r451893Seidenfeld48461893GanzfriedFried4960WertheimWeinberger in 1882 Chune Weinfeld was a mohel in Bardejov. 1884, folio 50: Nachem Benjamin was born on ......... 1884 as the illegitimate child of Eidel Weinfeld, the father was Chaim Korn. Fortgang Film No. 1792047: Item 2 Births 1874 - 1885 page, entry no.Nameborn onVaterMutterWohnung der ElternHebammeMohel p.1 Nr.313 January 1874Blasz Film No. 1792047: Item 3: - Marriages Folio 3, Nr.5: Samu Herzig 30Y 1M, from Sanok son of Naftali Mendel and Debora Bartfa 23 June 1887 Kati Wertheimer 28Y 1M from Zboro daughter of Israel Meilach and Chana Wertheimer in Zboro A tanuk neve: Chune Weinfeld, Bartfai; Moses Herzig, Szanokon Officiated by: Zboroi Rabi Teitelbaum Mozez Folio 6, Nr.4: Chaim Sia Weinfeld Boer Keresk......, Sandez, 25Y 1M son of Salke and Beila in Sandez 25 April 18artfa Debora Dina Rottenberg 24Y 1M daughter of Saul and Chaia Frimet in Bartfa Folio 7, Nr.9: Chune Weinfeld 78, from Zboro son of Dawid Wolf and Chaia Laia in Bartfa, married on ......... in ......... Beile Ester Langsam 76, from Gorlice daughter of nd Eidel Langsam in Gorlice Folio 8 Folio 9 Folio 12 Folio 15 1891 Landau - Kozicki Folio 17 Folio 18 Folio 19 Folio 20 Folio 22 Folio 24 Folio 25 Folio 27 Folio 29 Folio 30 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Folio 29, Nr ...: Chanania LipmaWeinfeld, Krakau, son of Sia Weinfeld and Marim Schifra Lipsker, born ?? in Bardiov?? 17 July 1899, married on 2 September 1923 by Rabbi Samuel Halberstam to Roza Korn, born in Bardiov on 30 March 1893, daughter of Josef Korn and Bina Abrahamovits in Bardiov. 1889 Marriage Nr..........: Jozsef Korn, 24, b. Dombrowa, married on 7 April 1889 Binna Abrahamovits, 26 p.1......: Korall - Korn p.152: Kozicki p.154: Weinfeld, Jozsef, born 11 September 1890, son of Chaim Sia and Dab...... Rottenberg * * * * * * * * Film No. 1792047: Item 4: Folio 37 Film No. 1792047: Item 5: - Marriages 1886 - 1895 Folio 4, Nr.6: Weinberger Rottenberg Folio 6, Nr.1: A tanuk neve: Mozez Leib Weinfeld, lak.: Szwidnik Folio 15, 1893: Schaja David Weinfeld from Gorlicze, 24Y 1M son of Chajim Jozsef Weinfeld an Rifka in Tarno ??? in Bardiov ??? 23 January 1893 Sprincza Dina Mueller ??? from Mesztiszka, 23Y 1M daughter of Mozez Nathan Miller and Laja in Tarnow Az eskete's helye: Tarno A tanuk neve: Saul Weinfeld - Limanowa Saul Mueller - Dukla Performed by: Rabbi Herman Weinfeld - Sztropkov Folio 16, Nr.5: Horowitz Folio 17, ......... : Rosenwasser * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Film No. 1792047: Item 6: Folio 19 Folio 21 Film No. 1792047: It Births, Marriages and ??? 1860 - ???? ......... p.208: Marriage 1891 Landau Kozicki * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * PROVISIONAL ZUSAMMENSETZUNG * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * THESE BELONG TO MY WEINFELD FAMILY TREE PART TWO! F Abraham Weinfeldorlice G Chajim Josef Weinfeld, Gorlice Bardiov 5 September 1843 Rebeke Rapaport daughter of Saja Rapapa in Bartfeld H.1 Abraham Weinfeld b. Bardiov 22 August 1844 H.x Schaja David Weinfeld b. ......... ca.December 1868,......... ?? Bardiov ?? 23 January 1893 Sprincza Dina Mueller ?? from Mesztiszka, 23Y 1M daughter of Mozez Nathan Miller and Laja in Tarnow * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * X Chaim Isak Weinfeld in Zboro Y Loebel Weinfeld, Zboro ... 5 October 1843 Friede Grosz daughter of Michael Grosz in Bartfeld Z Chaim Izak Weinfeld b. Bardiov ... September 1844 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * D Salke Weinfeld Beila in Sandez E Chaim Sia Weinfeld b......... ca. 1863, d. ......... Bartfa 25 April 1888 Debora Dina Rottenberg b. ......... ca.1864, d. ......... daughter of Saul Rottenberg and Chaia Frimet in Bartfa F Jozsef Weinfeld b. in ......... 11 September 1890 * * G Dawid Wolf Weinfeld Chaia Laia in Bartfa H Chune Hirsch Weinfeld, Zboro b. Zboro ...... ca. 1810, d. ......... 30 October 1893 (...) ......... (...) ......... 1888 Beile Ester Langsam b. ......... ca. 1812, d. ......Eidel Langsam in Gorlice * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * B Chune Weinfeld IS THIS CHUNE IDENTICAL WITH THE ONE ABOVE? Este Beila in Zboro in 1873 C Hussa Weinfeld b. ......... ca. 1846 (27 in Dec 1873), d. ......... Zboro 26 December 1 Friedman b. ......... ca. 1847 (26 in Dec 1873), d. ......... son of Dawid & Elka Friedman in Zboro (Uscher (1) ......... (divorced) ......... b. ........., d. ......... ) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Perhaps Chana Wertheimer is the daugtness at the Herzig wedding in 1887. D ......... Weinfeld E Chana (Hani) (Pessel) Weinfeld b. ........., d. ......... Israel Meilach Wertheimer in Zboro F.1 Gittl ( Kati ) Wertheimer b. Zboro 5 June 1859, d. ......... BardHerzig b. Sanok ......... ca. May 1857, d. ......... son of Naftali Mendel and Debora Herzig in Sanok G.1 G.2 Sali Herczig b. Bardiov 1 January 1890, d. ......... F.2 Izak Wertheimer b. Zboro 25 June 1860, d. ........heimer b. Zboro 4 March 1863, d. ......... F.4 Benjamin Wertheim b. Zboro 16 February 1867, d. ......... F.5 Rifka Wertheim b. Zboro 21 December 1874, d. ......... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * C Chaskel Weinfeld in Fritske D Szoscha Weinfeld b. Fritske 24 September 1854 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * L Dawid Weinfeld Fradel Singer in Zboro in 1863 M.1 Josef Weinfeld b. Zboro 16 December 1863 M.2 Breindel Weinfeld b. Zboro 18 June 1865 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dawid Weinfeld Perl Eszter Scheindel Weinfeld b. ......... 8 July 1869 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * F Menasche Weinfeld Scheindel Feder in Zboro G.1 Feige Weinfeld b. Zboro 6 November 1865 G.2 Edel Weinfeld b. Zboro 6 February 1868 G.3 Jehudesz Weinfeld b. Zboro 18 December 1875 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * F Mendel Schoenberg in Bobova G Juda Schoenberg from Bobova, 20, Bartfeld Nr. ??? Bartfeld 15 March 1858 Fani (Freida / Fradel) Reichman daughter of Samuel Reichman and Chana, Bartfeld Nr.8. H.1 Mali Schoenberg b. Bartfeld 15 March 1859 H.2 Ester Schoenberg b. Bartfeld 27 March 1861 H.3 Leia Schoenberg b. Bartfeld 28 August 1862 H.4 Sari Rivka Schoenberg b. Bartfeld 15 November 1864 H.5 Jehidesz Schoenberg b. Bartfeld 5 November 1866 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * LDS Film 1792047: Item 5: Folio 15, 1893: Schaja David Weinfeld, from Gorlicze, 24Y 1M, son of Chajim Jozsef Weinfeld an Rifka in Tarno, married ??? in Bardiov ??? 23 January 1893 Sprincza Dina Mueller, ??? from Mesztiszka, 23Y 1M, daughter of Mozez Nathan Miller and Laja in Tarnow. Az eskete's helye: Tarno. A tanuk neve: Saul Weinfeld - Limanowa; Saul Mueller - Dukla. Performed by: Rabbi Herman Weinfeld - Sztropkov. LDS Film 1792046, Item 2, p.62, Nr.18, JB 1860. Izak, son of J.M.Wertheim and Chana Weinfeld in Zboro. Also LDS Film 1792047, Item 8, p.15: Izak Wertheimer, born 25 June 1860 to Israel M.Wertheimer and Chane Weinfeld in Zboro. LDS Film 1792046, Item 2, p.82, Nr.9, JB 1863. Majer, son of J.M.Wertheimer and Chana Weinfeld in Zboro. LDS Film 1792046, Item 2, p.107, Nr.8, JB 1867. Benjamin, son of J.M.Wirtheim and Chana Weinfeld in Zboro. LDS Film 1792046, Item 2, p.168, Nr.27, JB 1874. Rifka, daughter of Israel J.Wertheim and Chana Pessel Weinfeld in Zboro. LDS Film 1792046, Item ........., p.14, 2nd from bottom: JB 1854. LDS Film 1792046tem ........., p.86, 2nd from bottom, Nr.62: JB 1863. LDS Film 1792046, Item ........., p.101, line 4, Nr.17: JB 1865. LDS Film 1792046, Item ........., p.138, line 9: JB 1869, Nr.35. LDS Film 1792046, Item ........., p.104, 2nd from last: JB 1865, Nr.46, Item ........., p.126, line 11: JB 1868, Nr........ LDS Film 1792046, Item ........., p.172, line 5: JB 1875, Nr........ LDS Film 1792046, Item 4, JB Bardiov 1859, Nr.6. LDS Film 1792046, Item 4, JB Bardiov 1861, Nr.12. LDS Film 1792046, Item 4, Nr..... LDS Film 1792046, Item 4, JB Bardiov 1864, Nr.34. 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Yedidya is a Langsam twice than... because his grandmother married a Langsam too - unless she reverted back to her maiden name - did they do that in those days? Also, Both my brothers have kids named Asher.... My Father's Father's name was Anshel but everyone called him Anshel Asher and brother 1 didn't like the name Anshel so named Asher alone. Brother 2 named Asher Zev after someone on his wife's side and also because of the "Asher" on my pop's side... Now it seems they inadvertently included my mother's side too i.e Asher Zelig.... Moishe Miller Sunday November 22, 1998 11:04 PM HR IS&CD 212 214 3580 Fax Number: 212 214 1354 To: Rivki Savitsky/PSG/Prudential@Prudential cc: Subject: Langsam Pesach | Dovid | Pesach | Ita + Asher Zelig Adest | Efraim Shmuel | Chaim Boruch | Miriam +Daniel Wrona | Rivki $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566AB.0074236D; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:08:32 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA84634; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:08:52 -0500 Received: from olympus.lgcy.com (SLCNET.net [209.180.83.1]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18530 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:08:49 -0500 From: freeassessment@graonline.com Received: from async-lgcy-08-99.lgcy.com (async-lgcy-08-99.lgcy.com [209.180.82.99]) by olympus.lgcy.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ja002609 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:08:42 -0700 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Free Assessment (Part 3) Reply-To: freeassessment@graonline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:08:42 -0700 X-Info: Evaluation version at olympus.lgcy.com Message-Id: <21084254400057@olympus.lgcy.com> SMTPOriginator: freeassessment@graonline.com From: freeassessment@graonline.com Subject: Free Assessment (Part 3) PostedDate: 10/28/98 04:08:42 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: freeassessment@graonline.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/28/98 04:08:33 PM-10/28/98 04:08:35 PM,10/28/98 04:06:03 PM-10/28/98 04:06:05 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/28/98 04:06:05 PM Categories: $Revisions: Subject: Part 3 Free Assessment from GRA, Inc. & Broderbund DATE: October 28, 1998 TO: MOISHE MILLER RE: Free individual assessment for family history research on the goal to find the historical background for Abraham? Langsam as requested in Tracking Number 90031521, Part 3: PART 3: Record which require an individual to research because they are not available in electronic format are found in Part 3. Since our ancestors may belong to more than one religious denomination in their life time, the dominant religions of the time period being researched will be listed in this report. Many tips will be provided to help you. These records have been limited to those available at the largest genealogical libraries and repositories in the world: the Family History Library, the Library of Congress, the Federal Archives, State Vital Record Offices, and foreign national offices. Tips may guide you to other repositories as well. If you would like one of GRA's credentialled genealogy professionals to perform the research suggested in this assessment, just forward this response to research@graonline.com and a cost analysis will be prepared for you. Church records - FHL Tip: Church records, in general, supply much information about the family. However, each denomination maintained a variety of records for various time periods. It is necessary to focus on a particular denomination. Family information can supply clues to denominations. For example, was an ancestor buried in a church cemetery plot? Does a marriage license indicate that a minister of the gospel (MG) performed the ceremony? Did the family members attend a school which was run by a religious denomination? What churches existed in the neighborhood? Also search the International Genealogical Index (IGI) of the Family History Library. It contains one of the largest church databases in the world covering numerous religious denominations because so many entries were proven by church records. Mennonite, Anabaptist, Amish - FHL Tip: Records are few, due to "believer baptisms," not associated with birth. Most Mennonites were of Swiss and German extraction. Neither Mennonites nor Amish in 18th century United States kept baptismal records. Menno Simons Historical Library includes Anabaptist records. Jewish - FHL Tip: There are too many repositories to list here. See the Genealogist's Address Book by Elizabeth Petty Bentley for addresses. Published by Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc. Presbyterian - FHL Tip: Not until the late 1760s were baptismal records kept in the US. If baptismal records are missing, use session records to determine relationships. Moravian (United Brethern) - FHL Tip: The Moravian Church was founded in 1457 by John Huss. They believed in infant baptism and sponsors were usually relatives. The mother's maiden name was recorded in baptismal records. Their missionary orientation was toward the natives. German Reformed - FHL Disciples of Christ - FHL Methodist - FHL Tip: An offshoot of the Church of England. Belief in infant baptism. Located in New York City and Philadelphia before the Revolutionary War. Anglican ministers baptized and administered sacraments for Methodists because most Methodist ministers were not ordained, so look at Anglican Church records. If records are there, they are good, but often they are missing. Russian Orthodox - FHL Cemeteries - FHL Tip: Inscriptions on monuments and gravestones provide important clues for research. Thousands of cemetery records have been published but these published sources must be used with caution because often the recorders could not read the dates accurately, compilers who put the lists in alphabetical order often lose the clues associated with being buried near another individual, and many recent burials may not be in older publications. There are often inadequate indexes, incomplete transcriptions, and incorrect transcriptions. But all-in-all they should be searched for what clues they do contain, and there are nation-wide cemetery finding aids available. The printed cemetery aids are found in "Printed Sources: A Guide to Published Genealogical Records," edited by Kory Meyerink and published by Ancestry, Inc. Bible & family records - FHL Funeral home records - FHL Tip: Use city directories to locate name of funeral home in the time period in question, then use telephone CD list or funeral home yellow book to find phone number in same town, call and see if they know where records are today. Newspapers - FHL Tip: Use Ayers Directory of Newspapers and Periodicals found at most public libraries to locate newspapers still in publication; American Newspapers 1821-1936: A Union List for older newspapers, including foreign language newspapers. These are available at local Family History Centers on microfiche. This source often contains the immigrant ancestor's hometown. Obituaries - FHL Tip: Use Ayers Directory of Newspapers and Periodicals found at most public libraries to locate newspapers still in publication; American Newspapers 1821-1936: A Union List for older newspapers, including foreign language newspapers. These are available at local Family History Centers on microfiche. This source often contains the immigrant ancestor's hometown. Divorce records - FHL Tip: Divorce records may be cataloged under "Vital Records" or "Court Records". Baptist - FHL Roman Catholic Church Rec - FHL Tip: Contact the Chancery Office of each diocese for their records. Use the book, US Catholic Sources: A Diocesan Research Guide, by Virginia Humbling (ISBN 0-916489-60-4), available from Ancestry Publishers, www.ancestry.com or 800-ANCESTRY (800-262-3787). Dutch Reformed - FHL Tip: Many individuals in the eastern states belonged to the Dutch Reformed Church. If you believe this individual may have belonged to that denomination, be aware that many of their records have been microfilmed and are available in the Family History Library as part of the Dutch Reformed Church Record Collection. 1860 Federal Census - FHL Tip: There were some microfilming problems with the 1860 census. The films of some schedules are extremely light and often difficult to photocopy. Because of that problem, there was a second microfilming made of the 1860 census. If the photocopy of the second filming was not clear enough, the searcher obtained a copy of the first filming. The best possible copies were provided with this report. If neither of those films produced a legible result, the researcher provided a transcript from what could be identified on the microfilm, itself. There are some schedules missing from the 1860 census for the states of Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Utah and Vermont. Because of the length of time it took to enumerate rhe United States, some families were listed twice because they may have moved during that time period. For each family, relationships are implied on the census and not specified--which can lead to inaccurate conclusions. Free individuals "of color" were enumerated on the regular census cschedule. Slaves, on the other hand, were listed on a special "slave schedule" in age groupings, by the name of the owner. In fact, former slaves often kept the name of the slave owner. When finding the ancestors of a former slave, note the individuals owning slaves in the particular neighborhood where the family was known to have resided. Inventories and tax lists found in probate records can then be used to distinguish among slaves. If the family is small and the individuals are young, this may indicate the family may have married in the county where they were found in the census records. We suggest you try locating your individual in a Marriage Index CD. If you find a potential marriage, we can obtain a copy of the original document. Please remember you must have an exact date and place of marriage to order the search. If you are interested in us helping us helping you do this type of reasearch, you can e-mail us at SearchServices@GRAonline.com or you can request our professional services at our Web site at www.GRAonline.com. If you wish help with a marriage document search, request County Marriage Records, GRA Search #811 at the Web site. 1870 Federal Census - FHL Tip: This is the first census in which all African-Americans were enumerated on the regular census schedule. African-American famlies often assumed the surname of the previous owner. Other relatives listed with the family in the census can help identify the maiden name of the mother, and also identify the surnames of married daughters. Cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, in-laws, and other family members listed with their relationships give great clues to unraveling the family. If your family has a male as head of household between the ages of 20-40 and there are children under 10, this can indicate that this family may remain as a unit for the next 20 or 30 years. We suggest you search the soundex (index) for this state in the 1880 census. Please be aware that the 1880 census only indexed individuals with children age 10 and younger. If the children in the family are young, this may indicated the parents may have married in the county. We suggest you try locating your individual in a Marriage Index CD. You can order that Index by sending an e-mail to OrderProcessing@GRAonline.com. Search the Family Tree Maker Index CD for this individual's name to see if there are any family histories compiled by others searching for this family. You can also search your individual's surname in the Surname Catalog for family histories located at the Family History Library. That search is Family History Catalog--Surname Search, GRA Search #307 and can be ordered from our Web site at www.GRAonline.com. 1890 Federal Census - FHL Tip: The majority of all the 1890 censuses were destroyed. One should search census substitutes such as the California 1890 voter registration rolls, state census records for 1885 and 1895, land and property indices, city and town directories, and tax lists for 1890. The 1890 census that is available is indexed by head of household suing a phonetic indexing system known as Soundex. 1900 Federal Census - FHL Tip: The 1900 census was the only census which provided columns for the exact month and year of each individual's birth. This census is also the only census which recorded the number of years couples had been married. That census states how many children were born to the mother and how many were still living. It also gives the street and house number for urban households as well as the birthplace (state or country) of each individual's parents. The enumerator also recorded the marital status of each individual, any illness or disability in the family at the time and recorded the number of months an individual was unemployed during that year. The 1900 census also asked about the citizenship status for each individual. If the individual emigrated to the US, the enumerator recorded the year of arrival here and the naturalization date if they had naturalized. This census indicates whether a home or farm was owned or rented and whether the owned property was free from mortgage. The census also stated if the person was a Civil War veteran or the widow of a Civil War veteran. A separate Indian schedule documented each tribe or band of Native Americans. 1910 Federal Census - FHL Tip: The 1910 census was indexed only for 21 states and many omissions occurred. They were indexed with two systems: Soundex and Miracode. Some films of the indices are very light. NOTE: Some large cities are indexed separately from their states and are filed at the end of the state codes. This is true in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, and Tennessee. For the 39 cities not indexed, use the 1910 Index to City Streets and Enumeration Districts. By finding the street address in a city directory, it is possible to use this finding aid to locate an enumeration district and, thus, find a family on an unindexed roll. Some indices and finding aids have been published privately, such as Mary Lou Craver Mariner and Patricia Roughan Bellows, A Research Aid for the Massachusetts 1910 Federal Census. 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Immigration (New York) ship manifests - NARA Tip: New York Ship's Manifest, 1902-1943: The manifest provides details about passengers, including name, date of arrival, ship, port of departure, town and country they left, final destination in America, and other information. Change of name - FHL Tip: See An Index to Changes of Name Under Authority of Act of Parliment, 1760-1901, published by Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc. Citizenship papers - NARA Immigrant aid societies - FHL Tip: To locate an immigrant aid society, use county and city corporation records, directories of associations, yellow pages of telephone directories under Welfare Agencies or Social Welfare Agencies, or Gale Research Company in the list of repositories for their associations list. Logbooks - FHL Oaths of allegiance - FHL Passenger lists - FHL Tip: By an act of 1882, immigrants arriving in the US were to be recorded by immigration officials. 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If your family is listed, be sure to check the notes using the CTRL+S keys, once you have located the individual on the appropriate disk. Search for the spouse as well. The index covers over 100 CDs. International Genealogical Index - FHL Tip: International Genealogical Index (IGI): Lists several hundred million names of deceased persons from throughout the world, extracted from original records and compiled by the Family History Library (FHL). Family histories - FHL Tip: A collection of catalog entries for family histories, genealogies, Bible records, and biographies are in the Library of Congress. One surname can be searched in all catalogs and supplements. Manuscript collections - FHL Tip: Letters, correspondance and personal papers may be located by using, The National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections, indexed by surname, locality, and/or topic. Available at major university libraries, large libraries and the Family History Library (FHL). Biographies, individual - FHL Tip: Individual biography: Over 2,000 volumes of biographies and Who's Who will be searched. County histories - FHL Group histories - FHL Periodicals, nationwide, specific titles - FHL Tip: This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.graonline.com. Periodicals, local, specific titles - FHL Tip: This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.graonline.com. Periodicals, ethnic - FHL Tip: Use the Peridical Source Index (PERSI), a comprehensive subject index, with more than one million entries, to articles that have appeared in English-language (and French Canadian) genealogy periodicals since 1847. Use words which would include the ancestor's localities, occupations and ethnic group. This can be ordered as a GRA Record Lookup #308. Periodicals, surname, specific surname - FHL Periodicals, topic, specific topic - FHL Genealogy society records - FHL Tip: A collection of catalog entries for family histories, genealogies, Bible records, and biographies are in the Library of Congress. One surname can be searched in all catalogs and supplements. Historical society recds - FHL Tip: Use the Directory of Historical Orgaizations in the US and Canada, 14th edition, by the American Association for State and Local History Press, Nashville, Tennessee. Lineage society records - FHL Fraternal society records - FHL Indexes - FHL Queries - FHL Maps - FHL Tip: In order to use this resource, it is first necessary to obtain a correct location by coming forward in time to a definite location a direct-line ancestor lived. Maps are graphic representations of the physical features of the earth's surface. A topographical map shows the terrain of the land and proximity to rivers, barriers to movement, mountains, and the proximity to other communities. Foreign countries also have numerous maps and place finding aids. Very few records exist at a nation-wide level, however, for foreign countries. Maps are used in genealogy to plot the movements of ancestors, to chart the location of several individuals of the same surname in the same time period and their relationship to a destination where the family was known to live. Maps are used along with place-finding aids and gazetteers to locate a specific place and other towns, cities, counties or states nearby where the family records might also be located. Finally, maps are used to help a genealogist plan a trip to the actual cite of an historical event in the life of an ancestor. This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.GRAonline.com. Gazetteers - FHL Tip: A gazetteer is a resource that is not done visually like a map, but uses words to describe locations. Many towns do not show up on a map or atlas, but will be described in a gazetteer. A gazetteer is a geographical dictionary that helps the genealogist find the correct location in order to search major records in that area. Often various name spellings are given as well as clues to where documents may be located, jurisdictions changed, and boundaries adjusted. These can be most beneficial if found in the correct time period as the location you are seeking. Once the correct location has been found, records in that jurisdiction may be searched. Caution: cities, towns, townships, counties, and districts often have the same name. If you are not sure which location is correct, it may be necessary to search all of them. If a town cannot be found in a gazetteer try a postal guide. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.GRAonline.com. Postal & shipping guides - FHL Tip: This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.graonline.com. Place names - FHL Tip: A place name guide leads you to proper locations for finding other types of records. Often place names change and a guide can direct you to a proper location when the location cannot be found on a map, atlas or in a gazetteer. Postal guides and shipping guides are good place-finding aids. Postal guides have existed since the late 1700s. Shipping guides exist since the mid 1800s. Once the location has been pinpointed, records in that jurisdiction may be searched. Caution: cities, towns, townships, counties, and districts often have the same name. If you are not sure which place name is correct, it may be necessary to search all of them. This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.GRAonline.com. Historical geography - FHL Tip: Historical geography can be put together using a map, atlas, gazetteer, place-name guides, and published historical resources. These sources indicate resources for migration routes, jurisdictions of records, and provide various clues for finding materials on families because settlement patterns are discussed as well as reasons for leaving an area. A person's surroundings affected their lives and their economy. These tools can provide information about the lives of ancestors that is not available in any other way. Military battles can be plotted, forced evacuation can be studies, and joyful as well as tragic events visualized by studying detailed historical geographic sources. Many states were carved out of territories as well as nations being carved out of uninhabited or conquered lands. Historical geography helps the genealogist locate the correct locations for the occurrence of vital events and helps to teach us more about our ancestors. Description & travel - FHL Articles (periodicals) - FHL Tip: Articles are available in numerous periodicals which explain how to do research in a particular record group, region of the world, or as a process. Many nationally-known periodicals such as the National Genealogical Society Quarterly or the New England Historic Genealogical Society Quarterly provide excellent articles on how to do research. They may be located by using the PERSI index explained elsewhere in these records. History - FHL Tip: As Milton Rubincam, a well-known genealogist, stated in 1960, "The history of a family is one continuous adventure. If properly investigated, it is not a mere record of births, marriages, and deaths. A published genealogy that contains only vital statistics makes dull reading indeed. But letters, diaries, memoirs, court records, etc., clothe the bones with flesh and blood, revivify [sic] them, and making our long-dead ancestors distinct personalities." History involves the background information, environmental influences, and chronological events that touched the lives of your ancestor. Historical background sources should be searched including topics touching your ancestor's occupation, neighborhood, political and religious environment, and folkways. Encyclopedias - FHL Tip: A good encyclopedia can provide excellent historical, geographical, ethnic, and religious background on your ancestor. Also search for localities your ancestors lived and study the influences that would have affected their lives in the time periods in which they lived. Yearbooks - FHL Tip: Religious denominations, colleges, universities, high schools, and seminaries are a few of the organizations that produce yearbooks. For example, current addresses and statistical information on nearly every North American Church can be found in the "Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches" currently published by Abingdon Press for the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States. Centennial celebrations - FHL Tip: Towns, counties, states, and countries celebrate their founding by producing centennial publications. These include significant background information for genealogists and provide other bibliographic information Church history - FHL Tip: Since church records, in general, may be the only records containing vital information on your ancestors during certain time periods, it is important to determine what records were maintained by various denominations, what denominations existed during various time periods, and how to find the records which might answer your questions. This is often done by studying the history of various denominations and then probing further into the histories of local churches. Thousands of church histories are located in the Family History Library and can be requested through a GRA record lookup service. Military history - FHL Tip: Military history can include published soldier's writings, unit histories, hereditary society compiled reports, and historical military publications. It is sometimes possible to find specific references to your ancestor among the history kept of the regiment he served in, the soldiers he served with, and resultant death or capture records. Even if the ancestor is not named, much can be gleaned about the life of the ancestor by the environment in which he was surrounded. Thousands of these records exist today for all the major wars. For published records consult "Printed Sources: A Guide to Published Genealogical Records," edited by Kory Meyerink and published by Ancestry, Inc. Original soldier's letters may be located by consulting the National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections as well as the holdings of the National Archives and Records Administration for military conflicts in the United States. Thousands of records also exist for military conflicts in foreign countries as well. Check the card catalog at major university and research libraries. Migration history - FHL Tip: Migration histories can help to identify the causes for movement from one place to another in a country. Since your ancestor did not travel alone, study local and county histories under settlement chapters to determine when people arrived in a particular area and where they came from. It may lead you back to the correct state or county as well. In America, migration generally went West unless a physical or foreign barrier prevented that movement. Since 1920 the migration went south. Families, relatives, neighbors, and friends followed each other in what is called a chain migration. Most migrants were of the lower middle class unless something "pushed" them out of an area. Land was the chief reason for moving in American migration. Most migrants followed waterways during the Colonial period. The majority of migrants went only a short distance and migration proceeded step by step. Women usually migrated within their county of birth while men often went further. Ethnic history - FHL Tip: Histories covering large groups of people who are classed according to their common racial, tribal, religious, national, linguistic or cultural orcin or background help us to understand our ancestors as real people. Printed ethnic sources are listed in "Printed Sources: A Guide to Published Genealogical Records," edited by Kory Meyerink and published by Ancestry, Inc. Legislative history - FHL Tip: If you have an ancestor who was involved in government service as a legislator or had commercial or business dealings with the legislature, don't forget to study legislative histories. Ethnology - FHL Tip: Ethnology is the study of the origin of something. It could be the origin of a surname, a town, or a nation. Social life - FHL Religious history - FHL Folklore - FHL Almanacs - FHL Statistics - FHL Politics & government - FHL Occupational histories - FHL Historical dwellings - FHL Study of names-onomastics - FHL Language background - FHL Handwriting-paleography - FHL Dictionaries, wordlists - FHL Tip: Interpreting a word that you don't understand in a document might be crucial to solving a genealogical problem. For example, a word you may think is a place of birth, might in actuality be a foreign term for "state." A Latin term in a legal document might help you determine a relationship. Dictionaries and word lists can help to interpret such word problems. Passenger Lists - FHL Tip: Original lists between these dates (1820-1891) are available for seven US ports only. Many transcriptions were made and they contain many errors. Information includes the name of the immigrant, name of the ship, age of the immigrant, place of arrival and year of arrival. A good index is Passenger and Immigration Lists Index by P. William Filby and Mary K. Meyer. Lists may also include individuals who were born, married or died aboard the ship. Passenger Lists - NARA Tip: Original lists between these dates (1820-1891) are available for seven US ports only. Many transcriptions were made and they contain many errors. Information includes the name of the immigrant, name of the ship, age of the immigrant, place of arrival and year of arrival. A good index is Passenger and Immigration Lists Index by P. William Filby and Mary K. Meyer. Lists may also include individuals who were born, married or died aboard the ship. Birth records-Delaware - OVS Birth records-Delaware - OVS Birth records-New Jersey - NJDHS Birth records-New York City - CNYDH Birth records-New York - NCDHR Birth records-Pennsylvania - PADEH Death records-Delaware - FHL Death records-Delaware - OVS Death records-New Jersey - NJDHS Death records-Pennsylvania - PADEH Death records-Delaware - OVS Marriage records-Delaware - CSDH Tip: Barbour Index to Connecticut Vital Records; Hale Index to Cemetery Inscriptions; Hale Index to marriage and death notices in early newspapers. Marriage records-New Jersey - NJDHS Tip: Statewide index from May 1848 to May 1878 includes Births, Marriages, Deaths; includes marriages 1665-1877, indexes to 1665-1800; 1848-1878 marriage records; 1665-1800 publishers in the New Jersey Archives, Volume 22. Marriage records-New York - NCDHR Death records-Delaware - FHL Birth records-Delaware - FHL Bounty land claims - FHL Bounty land claims - NARA Change of name - FHL Tip: See An Index to Changes of Name Under Authority of Act of Parliment, 1760-1901, published by Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc. Citizenship papers - FHL Citizenship papers - FHL Tip: State governments required different pieces of information to obtain citizenship during different time periods. Generally, these papers would included the individual's name, the date citizenship was granted, and the nation from which the individual was giving up citizenship upon becoming a US citizen. However, many counties required more details in the citizenship application papers, such as the year of arrival, the ship travelled on, and the place of birth. Canadian Border Crossing, 1895-1954 - FHL Tip: The Canadian border crossing was selected for your ancestor as a source because your ancestor lived on a state which bordered Canada and many people lived and worked on each side of the border. Canadian Border Crossing, 1895-1954 - NARA Tip: The Canadian border crossing was selected for your ancestor as a source because your ancestor lived on a state which bordered Canada and many people lived and worked on each side of the border. Declaration of intention - FHL Reformed (Dutch) - FHL Tip: Holland Dutch used patronymics where a child took his father's first name as his second name. It changed each generation. Care should be taken tracking both a fixed and a patronymic name. Women retained birth names. New Jersey State Census, 1855 - FHL New Jersey State Census, 1865 - FHL New Jersey State Census, 1885 - FHL New Jersey State Census, 1895 - FHL New Jersey State Census, 1915 - FHL New York State Census, 1855 - FHL Tip: The New York State census for 1855 is important because it lists the New York county where a person was born, relationship to head of household, age, years of residency in the city or town, and many other items. Some counties are missing such as Dutchess, Genesee, Putnam, Queens, St. Lawrence, Seneca, Tompkins, Westchester, and Wyoming. Copies of surviving census records are available in the Family History Library via microfilm. Few are indexed. New York State Census, 1865 - FHL Tip: The New York State census for 1865 is important because it lists more information than the federal census during this time period. For example, it gives the New York county where a person was born, relationship to head of household, age, years of residency in the city or town, and many other items. Some counties are missing including: Franklin, Genesee, New York, Putnam, Queens, Seneca, Westchester, and Wyoming. The 1865 census has schedules for marriages and deaths within the year. Copies of surviving census records are available in the Family History Library via microfilm. Most originals are in possession of county clerks. Few are indexed. New York State Census, 1875 - FHL Tip: The New York State census for 1875 is important because it lists the New York county where a person was born, relationship to head of household, age, years of residency in the city or town, and many other items. Some counties are missing including Chumung, New York, Putnam, Queens, Seneca, St. Lawrence, and Westchester. The 1875 census has schedules for marriages and deaths within the year. Copies of surviving census records are available in the Family History Library via microfilm. Few are indexed. New York State Census, 1885 - FHL New York State Census, 1892 - FHL Tip: The New York State census for 1892 lists only the name, sex, color, age, country of birth, whether or not a U.S. citizen, and occupation. Some counties are missing including Chenango, Columbia, Franklin, Fulton, Jefferson, Livingston, New York, Oneida, Putnam, Richmond, St. Lawrence, Seneca, Schuyler, Sullivan, Westchester, and Wyoming. Copies of surviving census records are available in the Family History Library via microfilm. The state archives has name indexes to the 1892 census for Albany County. New York State Census, 1905 - FHL Tip: The New York State census for 1905 is missing Livingston, Oneida, Ontario, Orange, Putnam, Queens, Richmond and Wyoming counties. The Family History Library has street indexes for the 1905 Manhattan census and has the 1905 census on microfilm. New York State Census, 1915 - FHL Tip: The New York State census for 1915 gives detailed information about all members of the family including street address, name, relation to the head of the household, color, sex, age, birthplace, number of years in the U.S., whether a citizen or alien, when naturalized, and occupation. The Family History Library has street indexes for the 1915 Manhattan census and a manuscript street index to the 1915 Brooklyn census. Periodicals-Local, upstate New York - FHL Tip: Family Tree Maker's Family Archives #160: State Index--Upstate New York Newsletters and Journals Series, 1685-1910, contains an index to four upstate New York quarterlies: The Capital, The Columbia, The Mohawk, and The Saratoga. Includes the counties of Albany, Columbia, Fulton, Montgomery, Rensselaer, Saratoga, and Schenectady. Surname Histories - FHL Tip: Family History Library Catalog--Surname Search: Lists the holdings of the Family History Library (FHL), including thousands of histories, biographies, genealogies, and other complications. One surname is searched in all catalogs and supplements. Includes foreign publications. It is up to you to read the actual publications to determine their value in relation to a specific individual. This is GRA Record Lookup #307. Ship Passenger Index - FHL Tip: New York Passenger Index, 1902-1943: The Index will provide the date of arrival, ship's name, volume, group and list numbers to find the actual ship manifest page. Ship Passenger Index - NARA Tip: New York Passenger Index, 1902-1943: The Index will provide the date of arrival, ship's name, volume, group and list numbers to find the actual ship manifest page. Periodicals - FHL Tip: The Periodical Source Index (PERSI) is a comprehensive subject index, with more than one million entries, to articles that have appeared in English-language (and French Canadian) genealogy periodicals since 1847. Use as key word searches, individually or in groups, words which would include the ancestor's surname and the surnames of spouses. This is a classic place to record Bible records, family information, and ethnic histories. It can be ordered as GRA Record Lookup #308. Filby's Biography - FHL Tip: William Filby and Mary K. Meyer edited a book entitled, "Passenger and Immigrations Lists Bibliography, 1538-1900." which references over 2,500 published lists of Irish immigrants to the United States that are or will eventually be included in Filby's Passenger and Immigrations Lists Index. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566AB.0074208A; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:08:25 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA53632; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:08:44 -0500 Received: from olympus.lgcy.com (SLCNET.net [209.180.83.1]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14134 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:08:43 -0500 From: freeassessment@graonline.com Received: from async-lgcy-08-99.lgcy.com (async-lgcy-08-99.lgcy.com [209.180.82.99]) by olympus.lgcy.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ia002608 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:08:35 -0700 To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Free Assessment (Part 2) Reply-To: freeassessment@graonline.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:08:34 -0700 X-Info: Evaluation version at olympus.lgcy.com Message-Id: <21083477300056@olympus.lgcy.com> SMTPOriginator: freeassessment@graonline.com From: freeassessment@graonline.com Subject: Free Assessment (Part 2) PostedDate: 10/28/98 04:08:34 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: freeassessment@graonline.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/28/98 04:08:33 PM-10/28/98 04:08:35 PM,10/28/98 04:06:03 PM-10/28/98 04:06:04 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/28/98 04:06:04 PM Categories: $Revisions: Subject: Part 2 Free Assessment from GRA, Inc. & Broderbund DATE: October 28, 1998 TO: MOISHE MILLER RE: Free individual assessment for family history research on the goal to find the historical background for Abraham? Langsam as requested in Tracking Number 90031521, Part 2: NOTE: Three items are needed to successfully achieve your family history goals: a Time Period, a Location, and a Name. FOR INDIVIDUALS BORN IN THE U.S. and living up to, or including, 1880-1920, do the following. Start by locating your ancestor on the latest possible federal census records 1880-1920 (get all of the years 1880 through 1920 if possible). These particular census records provide the states of birth of the ancestor and his parents as well. Once the ancestor has been found on the census, locate him in other county records. Use the county in which you found him in the census. If the surname is fairly uncommon, go back on the census records every ten years, not skipping any, to the years the ancestor was a child living in the home of his parents. You have now located the parents and left a trail of localities which can be searched for the records indicated below. FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE FOREIGN BORN, BUT WHO DIED IN THE U.S., and who lived until, or including, the years 1880-1920, use the 1880 to 1920 census records to provide clues to their years of immigration, naturalization, the country and province where the ancestor was born in the foreign country, plus localities in the U.S. for searching other records. FOR INDIVIDUALS BORN IN THE U.S. WHO DIED PRIOR TO 1880, there are still many resources to answer most of your research problems. For those who died prior to 1850 and also who had no siblings who lived after that time period, other record groups become more valuable to you as a research aid. Those will be listed in this report. FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE BORN, MARRIED, AND DIED IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, a specific research strategy has been outlined for using the available records of that country to solve your goal. Study this strategy first. Then note the records which existed during the time period in which your ancestor lived and use the records in the order specified in the strategy suggestions. Innumerable specific sources are available, but the broadest, most effective ones have been listed in this assessment. IF YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR HISTORICAL BACKGROUND, you must first know an exact location and a time period for your ancestor. Likewise, the historical background could lead to further resources and localities for your ancestor. Sometimes research is required to first specify a location and time period. Once the correct localities are specified ranging from the largest level (national) to the smallest level (town or parish), historical references from those localities should be examined. These references might include many associations and environmental influences on the ancestor's life. This could include his occupation, religion, ethnic group, and folkways. Not all record groups will need to be researched before you solve your problem. Sometimes, only a few records are necessary. But in those "dead-end" research situations, it is a good idea to have as many options as possible and that is what has been provided in this assessment. PART 2: Genealogical records which form the foundation of basic family history research are contained in this report. It is highly suggested that these should be searched as they might contain information to solve the goal you have selected. We realize you may have searched some of these records already. If so, read the tips, in case a clue was left unnoted. These searches are available to order on the Internet at http://www.familytreemaker.com/gramain.html. A few abbreviations found in this section of the report include GRALU which stands for Genealogy Research Associates, Inc. Look-up Service meaning that any of these searches can be ordered on the Internet, and HOME which indicates these records are often found in your home or the home of one of your relatives. Most of the GRALU records are also available in the Family History Library. Birth records at home - HOME Tip: Records which might establish the birth of someone and which may be in the home could include Bible records, hospital announcements, newspaper announcements, shower invitations, town records, or county birth certificates. Marriage records at home - HOME Tip: Records which might establish the marriage of someone and which may be found in the home of a relative could include a marriage license, an anniversary announcement, a shower invitation, or an insurance form stating the marriage. Death records at home - HOME Tip: Death dates might be located in home sources on obituaries, Bible records, gravestone rubbings, cemetery payment schedules, funeral home records, funeral cards, personal correspondence, cemetery photos, death benefit papers, insurance papers, and military honors certificates. Church records - HOME Tip: Church records, in general, supply much information about the family. However, each denomination maintained a variety of records for various time periods. It is necessary to focus on a particular denomination. Family information can supply clues to denominations. For example, was an ancestor buried in a church cemetery plot? Does a marriage license indicate that a minister of the gospel (MG) performed the ceremony? Did the family members attend a school which was run by a religious denomination? What churches existed in the neighborhood? Also search the International Genealogical Index (IGI) of the Family History Library. It contains one of the largest church databases in the world covering numerous religious denominations because so many entries were proven by church records. Cemeteries - GRALU Tip: Inscriptions on monuments and gravestones provide important clues for research. Thousands of cemetery records have been published but these published sources must be used with caution because often the recorders could not read the dates accurately, compilers who put the lists in alphabetical order often lose the clues associated with being buried near another individual, and many recent burials may not be in older publications. There are often inadequate indexes, incomplete transcriptions, and incorrect transcriptions. But all-in-all they should be searched for what clues they do contain, and there are nation-wide cemetery finding aids available. The printed cemetery aids are found in "Printed Sources: A Guide to Published Genealogical Records," edited by Kory Meyerink and published by Ancestry, Inc. Bible & family records - GRALU 1860 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: There were some microfilming problems with the 1860 census. The films of some schedules are extremely light and often difficult to photocopy. Because of that problem, there was a second microfilming made of the 1860 census. If the photocopy of the second filming was not clear enough, the searcher obtained a copy of the first filming. The best possible copies were provided with this report. If neither of those films produced a legible result, the researcher provided a transcript from what could be identified on the microfilm, itself. There are some schedules missing from the 1860 census for the states of Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Utah and Vermont. Because of the length of time it took to enumerate rhe United States, some families were listed twice because they may have moved during that time period. For each family, relationships are implied on the census and not specified--which can lead to inaccurate conclusions. Free individuals "of color" were enumerated on the regular census cschedule. Slaves, on the other hand, were listed on a special "slave schedule" in age groupings, by the name of the owner. In fact, former slaves often kept the name of the slave owner. When finding the ancestors of a former slave, note the individuals owning slaves in the particular neighborhood where the family was known to have resided. Inventories and tax lists found in probate records can then be used to distinguish among slaves. If the family is small and the individuals are young, this may indicate the family may have married in the county where they were found in the census records. We suggest you try locating your individual in a Marriage Index CD. If you find a potential marriage, we can obtain a copy of the original document. Please remember you must have an exact date and place of marriage to order the search. If you are interested in us helping us helping you do this type of reasearch, you can e-mail us at SearchServices@GRAonline.com or you can request our professional services at our Web site at www.GRAonline.com. If you wish help with a marriage document search, request County Marriage Records, GRA Search #811 at the Web site. 1870 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: This is the first census in which all African-Americans were enumerated on the regular census schedule. African-American famlies often assumed the surname of the previous owner. Other relatives listed with the family in the census can help identify the maiden name of the mother, and also identify the surnames of married daughters. Cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, in-laws, and other family members listed with their relationships give great clues to unraveling the family. If your family has a male as head of household between the ages of 20-40 and there are children under 10, this can indicate that this family may remain as a unit for the next 20 or 30 years. We suggest you search the soundex (index) for this state in the 1880 census. Please be aware that the 1880 census only indexed individuals with children age 10 and younger. If the children in the family are young, this may indicated the parents may have married in the county. We suggest you try locating your individual in a Marriage Index CD. You can order that Index by sending an e-mail to OrderProcessing@GRAonline.com. Search the Family Tree Maker Index CD for this individual's name to see if there are any family histories compiled by others searching for this family. You can also search your individual's surname in the Surname Catalog for family histories located at the Family History Library. That search is Family History Catalog--Surname Search, GRA Search #307 and can be ordered from our Web site at www.GRAonline.com. 1890 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: The majority of all the 1890 censuses were destroyed. One should search census substitutes such as the California 1890 voter registration rolls, state census records for 1885 and 1895, land and property indices, city and town directories, and tax lists for 1890. The 1890 census that is available is indexed by head of household suing a phonetic indexing system known as Soundex. 1900 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: The 1900 census was the only census which provided columns for the exact month and year of each individual's birth. This census is also the only census which recorded the number of years couples had been married. That census states how many children were born to the mother and how many were still living. It also gives the street and house number for urban households as well as the birthplace (state or country) of each individual's parents. The enumerator also recorded the marital status of each individual, any illness or disability in the family at the time and recorded the number of months an individual was unemployed during that year. The 1900 census also asked about the citizenship status for each individual. If the individual emigrated to the US, the enumerator recorded the year of arrival here and the naturalization date if they had naturalized. This census indicates whether a home or farm was owned or rented and whether the owned property was free from mortgage. The census also stated if the person was a Civil War veteran or the widow of a Civil War veteran. A separate Indian schedule documented each tribe or band of Native Americans. 1910 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: The 1910 census was indexed only for 21 states and many omissions occurred. They were indexed with two systems: Soundex and Miracode. Some films of the indices are very light. NOTE: Some large cities are indexed separately from their states and are filed at the end of the state codes. This is true in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, and Tennessee. For the 39 cities not indexed, use the 1910 Index to City Streets and Enumeration Districts. By finding the street address in a city directory, it is possible to use this finding aid to locate an enumeration district and, thus, find a family on an unindexed roll. Some indices and finding aids have been published privately, such as Mary Lou Craver Mariner and Patricia Roughan Bellows, A Research Aid for the Massachusetts 1910 Federal Census. 1860-1869 Census Mortality Schedules - GRALU Tip: This information is indexed on a Family Tree Maker Family Archive CD-ROM available from www.graonline.com. Apprenticeships - GRALU Business records - GRALU Immigration (New York) ship manifests - GRALU Tip: New York Ship's Manifest, 1902-1943: The manifest provides details about passengers, including name, date of arrival, ship, port of departure, town and country they left, final destination in America, and other information. Oaths of allegiance - GRALU Passenger lists - GRALU Tip: By an act of 1882, immigrants arriving in the US were to be recorded by immigration officials. Immigration lists date from 1891, except for Pennsylvania which started in 1883. They contain the passenger's name, place of birth, last legal residence, age, occupation, sex, remarks, name of master, name of vessel, ports of arrival and embarkation and date of arrival. Vaccination certificate - HOME Canadian Border Crossing, 1895-1914 - GRALU Canadian Border Crossing, 1915-1924 - GRALU NY & NE States Naturlization - GRALU Passenger Lists - GRALU Tip: In 1906-1907 a revision of the format for passenger lists included a personal description and birthplace as well as the name and address of the nearest relative in the immigrant's home country. These lists also included visitors and Americans returning from abroad. New York, Baltimore, Boston, New Orleans and Philadelphia passenger lists are indexed. Autobiographies - GRALU Tip: During the twentieth century, thousands of autobiographies have been written about individuals involved in hundreds of professions. If you believe the person you are seeking may have written about his or her life, look into this category of records. Letters, correspondence - HOME Tip: Letters, correspondance and personal papers may be located by using, The National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections, indexed by surname, locality, and/or topic. Available at major university libraries, large libraries and the Family History Library (FHL). Funeral cards - HOME Tip: Letters, correspondance and personal papers may be located by using, The National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections, indexed by surname, locality, and/or topic. Available at major university libraries, large libraries and the Family History Library (FHL). Photographs - HOME Scrapbooks - HOME Ancestral File - GRALU Tip: Ancestral File: A compilation of genealogies contributed to the Family History Library (FHL) in Salt Lake City, Utah. If an individual is found, submitter information and family group records for the ancestors may be printed to paper or disk file, along with pedigree charts or descendancy charts. Covers every area of the world and is constantly being enlarged by submissions from other genealogists. This is GRA Record Lookup #301. LDS Family Group Record Collection - GRALU Tip: See Glossary on the toolbar in the first screen "LDS Archives," also Family Group sheets submitted 1942-1969 going back four generations or more. Family histories - GRALU Tip: A collection of catalog entries for family histories, genealogies, Bible records, and biographies are in the Library of Congress. One surname can be searched in all catalogs and supplements. Biographies, individual - GRALU Tip: Individual biography: Over 2,000 volumes of biographies and Who's Who will be searched. Biographies, group - GRALU Periodicals, nationwide, specific titles - GRALU Tip: This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.graonline.com. Periodicals, local, specific titles - GRALU Tip: This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.graonline.com. Periodicals, surname, specific surname - GRALU Postal & shipping guides - GRALU Tip: This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.graonline.com. Place names - GRALU Tip: A place name guide leads you to proper locations for finding other types of records. Often place names change and a guide can direct you to a proper location when the location cannot be found on a map, atlas or in a gazetteer. Postal guides and shipping guides are good place-finding aids. Postal guides have existed since the late 1700s. Shipping guides exist since the mid 1800s. Once the location has been pinpointed, records in that jurisdiction may be searched. Caution: cities, towns, townships, counties, and districts often have the same name. If you are not sure which place name is correct, it may be necessary to search all of them. This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.GRAonline.com. Articles (periodicals) - GRALU Tip: Articles are available in numerous periodicals which explain how to do research in a particular record group, region of the world, or as a process. Many nationally-known periodicals such as the National Genealogical Society Quarterly or the New England Historic Genealogical Society Quarterly provide excellent articles on how to do research. They may be located by using the PERSI index explained elsewhere in these records. Military history - GRALU Tip: Military history can include published soldier's writings, unit histories, hereditary society compiled reports, and historical military publications. It is sometimes possible to find specific references to your ancestor among the history kept of the regiment he served in, the soldiers he served with, and resultant death or capture records. Even if the ancestor is not named, much can be gleaned about the life of the ancestor by the environment in which he was surrounded. Thousands of these records exist today for all the major wars. For published records consult "Printed Sources: A Guide to Published Genealogical Records," edited by Kory Meyerink and published by Ancestry, Inc. Original soldier's letters may be located by consulting the National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections as well as the holdings of the National Archives and Records Administration for military conflicts in the United States. Thousands of records also exist for military conflicts in foreign countries as well. Check the card catalog at major university and research libraries. Almanacs - GRALU Passenger Lists - GRALU Tip: Original lists between these dates (1820-1891) are available for seven US ports only. Many transcriptions were made and they contain many errors. Information includes the name of the immigrant, name of the ship, age of the immigrant, place of arrival and year of arrival. A good index is Passenger and Immigration Lists Index by P. William Filby and Mary K. Meyer. Lists may also include individuals who were born, married or died aboard the ship. Bounty land claims - GRALU Canadian Border Crossing, 1895-1954 - GRALU Tip: The Canadian border crossing was selected for your ancestor as a source because your ancestor lived on a state which bordered Canada and many people lived and worked on each side of the border. Register of voters - GRALU Tip: This is a GRA Record Look-up Service to have a specialized locality research or photo duplication project done for you in the Family History Library (FHL). Order Search #1001 at www.graonline.com. Reformed (Dutch) - GRALU Tip: Holland Dutch used patronymics where a child took his father's first name as his second name. It changed each generation. Care should be taken tracking both a fixed and a patronymic name. Women retained birth names. Surname Histories - GRALU Tip: Sutro Library Catalog Search--Surname: Catalog entries of family histories, genealogies, Bible records, and biographies available from the Sutro Library in San Fancisco or on interlibrary loan to other California libraries. One surname is searched in all catalogs and supplements. It is up to you to read the actual publications to determine their value in relation to a specific individual. Ship Passenger Index - GRALU Tip: New York Passenger Index, 1902-1943: The Index will provide the date of arrival, ship's name, volume, group and list numbers to find the actual ship manifest page. 1880 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: Enumeration for the tenth census of the United States began on 1 June 1880. Census enumerators were to complete the enumeration within thirty days. Communities with a population of 10,000 or greater were to be completed within two weeks. June 1, 1880 appears in the heading for individuals "in this family," because all responses were to reflect the individual's status as of that date, even if the status had changed between 1 June and the actual day the family was enumerated. Therefore, children born between June 1 and the actual day of enumeration were not to be listed; people who died between June 1 and the actual day of enumeration were to be listed as alive, etc. However, it is important to note that some enumerators disregarded this instruction. The 1880 census was the first census to identify each individual's relationship to the head of household--proving relationships to family members which could only be guessed in previous censuses. It is also the first census to record the street and house number for urban households and the birthplace (state or country) for the individual's parents. The enumerator also recorded the marital status of each individual, any illness or disability in the family at the time, as well as the number months an individual was unemployed that year. To order this census, a search of the phonetic index known as the Soundex is necessary first. The biggest difficulty in locating a family in the 1880 census is that it is INDEXED for only those households where children 10 or less were living. A few states now have "printed" 1880 census indices which index all families and are more complete than the Soundex indices. Ohio and Idaho are two states which have indexed every family. It is also important to note that Native Americans who were not taxed were enumerated in special Indian schedules. This is the first census where the state or country of birth for parents of every individual is reported. This is especially important for tracing immigrant ancestors and for replacing lost birth records. Other relatives listed with the family in the census can help identify the maiden name of the mother as well as the surnames of married daughters. Cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, in-laws, and other family members listed with their relationships give great clues to unraveling the family. With the information you have extracted from the census concerning your family's vital information (birth, marriage and death), you may wish to check to see what state indices are available to verify dates and places. These indices will give you the necessary information to obtain birth, marriage and death certificates that may give you more specific information about the individual. You can find the available indices at www.GRAonline.com [from the main page, click the Lookup button then click the Vital Records--US on the left side of that document]. If you do not see an index for the state you wish to search, e-mail us at SearchServices@GRAonline.com. We will inform you whether we have access to that particular state's index for that specific year. Be sure to include the year of the event, the county and the state you wish searched. 1900 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: Enumeration for the twelfth census of the United States began on 1 June 1900. Enumerators were to complete it within thirty days. Communities with a population of 10,000 or greater were to be completed within two weeks. June 1, 1900 appears in the heading for many individuals "in this family" because all responses were to reflect the individual's status as of that date, even if the status had changed between 1 June and the actual day of enumeration. Therefore, children born between June 1 and the actual date were not to be listed; people who had died between June 1 and the actual date were to be listed as alive, etc. However, it is important to note that sometimes the enumerator disregarded this instruction. The 1900 census provides the exact month and year of birth for each individual and records the number of years couples were married. It also states how many children had been born to the mother and how many were still living. It also gives the street and house numbers for urban households and the birthplace (state or country) for the parents of each individual. The enumerator also recorded the marital status of each individual, any illness or disability in the family at the time, and the number of months an individual was unemployed for that year. This census also asked about the citizenship status of each individual. If the individual emigrated to the US, the enumerator recorded the year of arrival and the naturalization date if naturalized. To order this census, a search of the phonetic index known as the Soundex is first necessary. This census indicates whether a home or a farm was owned or rented and whether the owned property was free from mortgage. It also stated if the person was a Civil War veteran or the widow of a Civil War veteran. A separate Indian schedule was used to document the tribe or band of Native Americans. If a Native American schedule cannot be located within a county, look at all the schedules for a state. The 1900 census records the date of arrival to the United States, naturalization information, age of individuals and birth place. this recorded information makes this census extremely important for tracing movements of immigrant ancestors as well as supplementing or replacing lost vital records of birth. Other relatives listed with the family in the census can help identify the maiden name of the mother as well as the surnames of married daughters. Cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, in-laws, and other family members listed with the relationship, give great clues to unravel the family ties. If the individual was an immigrant and listed a year ofimmigration on the census, you can begin looking for the ship's passenger list for that individual. From the New York Ships Passenger List you can learn information such as: date of arrival, ship's name, port of departure, town and county they left, final destination in America, and other information. If you believe the individual came through New York's port, you can order a search of that index. Or, if you think the individual arrived at a different port such as Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Galveston, New Orleans or San Francisco, we suggest that, still, you try the New York Passenger Index first, then try the other indices. There may be other indices, as well, for other ports. If you are interested in these, please e-mail us at SearchServices@GRAonline.com. You can order the various searches at www.GRAonline.com. three of them are: New York Passenger Index, 1820-1846, 1897-1943, GRA Search #602; Baltimore, Maryland Passenger Index, 1820-1921, GRA Search #611; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Passenger Index, 1800-1921, GRA Search #613. 1910 Federal Census - GRALU Tip: For the 1910 census, the federal government used two different indexing systems: miracode and soundex. Miracode index cards have no handwritten information, they are only typed. Soundex index cards are handwritten. The actual record contains more information than the index cards such as: the name of every individual in the household, the individual's age, marital status, occupation, year of immigration, year of naturalization, place of birth and the individual's parents. If you would like us to make a copy of the census page(s) with your ancestor's family listed, order US Census Searches, 1880-1920, GRA Search #702 at our Web site, www.GRAonline.com. 1880-1920 Census Soundex Lookup - GRALU Tip: US Census Soundex Search 1880-1920: This is a state-wide phonetic index of the US censuses of 1880-1920. The 1880, 1890, 1900, 1910 and 1920 have their own searches. This search provides the county, township, enumeration district number, and household number or page number on the census, so the correct individual can be located in a fraction of the time it would take to search an entire town, page by page. This is GRA Record Lookup #703. (See www.GRAonline.com) Recs of Foreign Countries - GRALU Tip: Once the town of origin in the foreign country has been located, a search for records of that town should be conducted in the Family History Library Catalog--Locality portion. Here, numerous records available for each locality will be listed. Original research should be conducted in those areas. This is GRA Record Lookup #401. Periodicals - GRALU Tip: The Periodical Source Index (PERSI) is a comprehensive subject index, with more than one million entries, to articles that have appeared in English-language (and French Canadian) genealogy periodicals since 1847. Use as key word searches, individually or in groups, words which would include the ancestor's surname and the surnames of spouses. This is a classic place to record Bible records, family information, and ethnic histories. It can be ordered as GRA Record Lookup #308. New York City All Boroughs Birth Index - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY All Boroughs Birth Index, 1881-1965. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #840 (see also All Boroughs Marriage Index and Death Index). You must select one borough or Manhattan will automatically be selected. New York City All Boroughs Marriage Index - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY All Boroughs Marriage Index, 1888-1937. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #841. You must select one borough or Manhattan will automatically be selected. New York City All Boroughs Death Index - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY All Boroughs Death Index, 1888-1965. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #842. Brooklyn covers 1848-1965. You must select one borough or Manhattan will automatically be selected. Manhattan Birth Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Manhattan) Birth Records 1866-1909. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #843. Search #840 (New York City, All Boroughs Birth Index) must be done first. Brooklyn Birth Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Brooklyn) Birth Records 1866-1906. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #844. Search #840 (New York City, All Boroughs Birth Index) must be done first. Bronx Birth Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Bronx) Birth Records 1898-1909. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #845. Search #840 (New York City All Boroughs Birth Index) must be done first. Queens (NY) Birth Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Queens) Birth Records 1898-1909. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #846. Search #840 (New York City, All Boroughs Birth Index) must be done first. Manhattan Marriage Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Manhattan) Marriage Records 1866-1937. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #847. Search #841 (New York City All Boroughs Marriage Index) must be done first. Brooklyn Marriage Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Brooklyn) Marriage Records 1866-1937. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #848. Search #841 (New York City All Boroughs Marriage Index) must be done first. Bronx Marriage Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Bronx) Marriage Records 1898-1937. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #849. Search #841 (New York City All Boroughs Marriage Index) must be done first. Queens (NY) Marriage Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Queens) Marriage Records 1898-1937. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #850. Search #841 (New York City, All Boroughs Marriage Index) must be done first. Manhattan Death Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Manhattan) Death Records 1866-1930. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #851. Search #842 (New York City, All Boroughs Death Index) must be done first. Brooklyn Death Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Brooklyn) Death Records 1847-1916, 1919-1930. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #852. Search #842 (New York City, All Boroughs Death Index) must be done first. Bronx Death Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Bronx) Death Records 1919-1930. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #853. Search #842 (New York City All Boroughs Death Index) must be done first. Queen's (NY) Death Records - GRALU Tip: New York City, NY (Queens) Death Records 1898-1919. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #854. Search #842 (New York City All Boroughs Death Index) must be done first. New York Ship Manifests - GRALU Tip: New York Ship's Manifests (passenger lists) 1820-1846, 1897-1943. Provides details about passengers including name, date of arrival, ship's name port of departure, town and country they came from, final destination in America, and other information. This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #603 which searches from 1820-1846, 1897-1943 in one search.. To order this search you must first order Search #602 to find the correct individual (NY Passenger Index). New York Ship Manifests Index - GRALU Tip: Provides the date of arrival, ship's name, volume, group and list numbers to locate the actual ship manifest page (see Search #603). This is a GRA Record Lookup Service, order Search #602 which searches from 1820-1846, 1897-1943 in one search. Greenlaw Index - GRALU Tip: The Greenlaw Index is a comprehensive surname index to multi-generational accounts of families published between 1900 and 1940 in local histories, biographical compendia, genealogical dictionaries, family histories, and some periodicals. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #309. Personal Names Index, NY Times, 1851-1993 - GRALU Tip: The Personal Names Index is a companion index to The New York Times Index of over 150 volumes. This index will tell where a person's name appears in the larger New York Times Index, eliminating the need to search all 150 volumes for the entry on a specific individual. The entries have a note indicating if the entry is a death notice. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #312. NY Times Index and Records, 1851-1993 - GRALU Tip: This service provides you with a photocopy of the original article that you specify from the New York Times newspaper. Citations located for you may be from a variety of article types including biographical sketches, daily news, business reports, obituaries, marriage and death notices, and more. You must first have the appropriate reference information as provided in the Personal Names Index to the New York Times Index, 1851-1993 which is Search #312. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #311. Index to New England Naturalization Petitions, 1891-1906 - GRALU Tip: Index for individuals who applied for US Citizenship between 1791-1906 while living in Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Vermont. The index provides the necessary reference information to obtain the actual Petition for naturalization and may include: name, address, petition number, title and location of the court where the naturalization papers are held and the former country of allegiance. Index cards for later dates contain more information such as date of birth, date and port of arrival in the US, date of naturalization and names and adresses of witnesses to the naturalization. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #610. Baltimore, MD Passenger Index, 1820-1921 - GRALU Tip: The date of arrival between 1820 and 1921, the ship's name and page number for the actual ship manifest is available in the index. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #611. Baltimore, MD Ship's manifests, 1840-1921 - GRALU Tip: The manifest provides details about passengers including their name, date of arrival between 1840 and 1921, the ship's name, the port of departure, the country the passenger left, age, and more. More Information is provided in later years. You must do a search of the index (order Search #611) before requesting this search. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #612. Philadelphia, PA Passenger Index, 1800-1921 - GRALU Tip: The date of arrival between 1800 and 1921, the ship's name and page number for the actual ship manifest is available in the index. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #613. Philadelphia, PA Ship's manifests, 1800-1921 - GRALU Tip: The manifest provides details about passengers including their name, date of arrival between 1800 and 1921, the ship's name, the port of departure, the country the passenger left, age, and more. More Information is provided in later years. You must do a search of the index (order Search #613) before requesting this search. This is a GRA Record Lookup Search #614. New Jersey Wills, Early to 1900 - GRALU Tip: State-wide index to wills and probate for New Jersey, early to 1900. 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DATE: October 28, 1998 TO: MOISHE MILLER RE: Free individual assessment for family history research on the goal to find the historical background for Abraham? Langsam as requested in Tracking Number 90031521. This is the information you provided for Abraham? Langsam. Date of Birth: Circa 1850 Place of Birth: Poland Date of Marriage: circa 1870 Place of Marriage: Date of Death: circa 1920 Place of Death: Eastern U. S. (DE, NJ, NY, PA) This is your Genealogy Research Associates, Inc. (GRA) Family History Assessment received free of charge when you purchased your new Family Tree Maker 5.0. As genealogy educators and researchers, we at GRA know that most people would gladly obtain the records which could answer their family history questions if they just knew: 1) what kinds of records would answer those questions, and 2) where they could get them. The purpose of a free assessment is to indicate the type of records required to accomplish a particular goal. 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You must obtain the source in order to obtain the maximum value to your research. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566A9.007471E2; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:11:53 -0500 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA71374; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:12:13 -0500 Received: from academic.touro.edu (academic.touro.edu [192.245.89.2]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09486 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:12:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (averymh@localhost) by academic.touro.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13190 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:12:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:12:09 -0500 (EST) From: averymh@academic.touro.edu To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research In-Reply-To: <85256690.0065F6C3.00@notes2.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: averymh@academic.touro.edu From: averymh@academic.touro.edu Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research PostedDate: 10/26/98 04:12:09 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/26/98 04:11:57 PM-10/26/98 04:11:58 PM,10/26/98 04:09:39 PM-10/26/98 04:09:41 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/26/98 04:09:41 PM Categories: $Revisions: Sorry I keep missing you on the phone. I really do want to get together with you. (My project for the next 2-4 weeks is to get all my info in order) Regards AVERY **************************************** * Dr. Avery M. Horowitz * * Associate Dean of Students * * for Advisement and Counseling * * Touro College * * 1602 Avenue J * * Brooklyn, NY 11230 * * 718-252-7800 ext 253 * * averymh@touro.edu * **************************************** $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 852566A5.003D1FB5; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:07:38 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13288; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:10:53 -0400 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA30570 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:10:51 -0400 Received: from netvision.net.il.netvision.net.il (ts002p13.jlm.netvision.net.il [194.90.120.51]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA13421 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:10:47 +0200 (IST) Message-Id: <199810221110.NAA13421@alpha.netvision.net.il> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: or_david@netvision.net.il To: Moishe_miller@prusec.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:31:36 +0000 Subject: family Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) SMTPOriginator: or_david@mail.netvision.net.il From: or_david@netvision.net.il Subject: family PostedDate: 10/22/98 05:31:36 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/22/98 07:07:45 AM-10/22/98 07:07:47 AM,10/22/98 07:08:27 AM-10/22/98 07:08:27 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/22/98 07:08:27 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe, I do not know any more than my father or brother Yedidya know. Have a good year. Shmuel Dovid $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525669A.000AAFC8; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:56:43 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA76926; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:52:40 -0400 Received: from eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (root@eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27234 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:57:07 -0400 Received: from tzfas (langsamppp [146.245.1.57]) by eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA04526; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <003e01bdf4ba$1cf8be40$3901f592@tzfas.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> From: "Dr. Yedidyah Langsam" To: Cc: "m_miller" Subject: Re: more on L1-6 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:54:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 SMTPOriginator: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu From: langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu Subject: Re: more on L1-6 PostedDate: 10/10/98 09:54:26 PM SendTo: srwynne@erols.com CopyTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/10/98 09:56:53 PM-10/10/98 09:56:54 PM,10/10/98 09:54:53 PM-10/10/98 09:54:53 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/10/98 09:54:53 PM Categories: $Revisions: Hi, I'll try to answer your questions. >> 4. What is curious, is that the name "kisheal" was totally unknown to us, >> (and came as quite a surprise to my father who is very meticulous about >> these details) before Suzan came from Poland and reported that David and >> Kisheal were the same. > >No, actually I did not report that David and Kisiel were the same...only >that it was clear that Kishiel was a son of Pesach Langsam and we were >working with the oral tradition that there had been 5 sons. Now it >begins to appear that there were more than 5 sons...probably 6. I have >some thoughts on how David fits into the picture. See below. I was not aware of a tradition concerning 5 sons vs. 6 or perhaps even more. What we had down at the time was just those that we were aware about. Also, note that no daughters names are known. For all we know there may have been 1 or more dtrs. My father tells me that due to restrictions on marriage by the gentile authorities to only the 1st born, it was common practice for people to keep their mother's name as their own. This can be seen by several Langsams who are kohanim, even though it is clear that the original Pesach and his male sons were not. (The tradition from the Bnei Yissacher himself that he was descendant from the tribe of Yissacher- {one of the 10 lost tribes} is a common tradition in the family.) >Suzan wants to know who Yedidyah was named after. > Good question! However, your conclusion from this does not follow. Let me explain. In Polish (Chasidic) tradition the custom is to name after ancestors who have died. This is especially true if the ancestors were Chasidic leaders. Modern Israeli tradition, (especially by hebraicists sp?) was to deliberately not name after people but to use either Biblical names or made-up names. It is customary for the wife to choose the first name and the father the second, and alternate thereafter. This solves the common problem of who to name after which often leads to significant marital/family stress. Now my mother, Avivia, is Israeli. Her father who was a member of the Irgun and a scholar of modern hebrew language-- used only biblical or made-up names. Thus "Avivia" (made-up not to be confused with Aviva) means Spring of G-d (for when she was born); Zohar (her sister) means "bright" or "Shining" {Zohar appears once in the Bible as a male name!}; and Avraham Itiel (made-up name meaning G-d is with me). Now since I am the first born, I was named by my mother. According to her, they opened up the Bible and it opened to where King David's son Solomon was given the name by which he was known by G-d - Yedidyah. They liked the name and gave it to me. My next brother, Shmuel David, was named after ancestors by my father; my next brother Netanel Chaim = G-d gave life, by my mother; next Elazar by my father after his grandfather; and finally my sister Michal Gittel was a compromise (My mother had just lost her grandmother who was named Minna Kaila- but since her father was so opposed to naming using Yiddish names, he came up with the idea to contract Minna Kaila to Mi-cal (in hebrew it works out perfectly) and Gittel was my father's grandmother who had just died. So her being the first dtr after 4 boys was a compromise between both traditions. OK. Thus...... At least in Poland, I would have expected to see Kisheal having at least someone named after him. OR perhaps it wasn't a Jewish name at all. Maybe it was a name put into the records by the gentile recorder -- and never used by anyone. Non-jewish names would never be used by jews at that time when referring to each other. >> 6. My grandfather and father came to this country during WW2. My father >> remembers seeing his grandfather (who came for a visit to Frankfurt and then >> returned to Poland) once as a child. Clearly, they are not closely related >> to the Pesach who died in 1928 in NYC. > >Yedidyah, you are remembering this wrong. Pesach did not die in this >country in 1928. His son did...His name was Chaim/Herman/Hyman. Pesach >never came to this country. OH.... I was just responding to what Moshe Miller wrote. I have no recollection of this at all. > >> Suzan agrees that sometimes documents were misused but when you see hundreds of pages of birth and death records as I have, you realize that it would be almost impossible to construct an incorrect entry. You would have to have known 20 years beforehand that you were going to need to record a birth or death in a fraudulent manner. They were recorded in in very large ledgers order of the appearance of the event from every town in the district. There were from 8-30 events listed on a single page in pen. Any cross outs or changes would have been very obvious. I do not mean to suggest that people went back and changed the ledgers. Quite the contrary. Births may have been entered incorrectly in the first palce. Birth dates were never considered important (deaths on the other hand are for Yahrtzite reasons). Birthdates were often made-up when necessary, because no one remembered the actual date. Even today, I come accross many people from both Europe and the Near East whose birthdate are not known even by them. Even exactly how old they are is unknown. Social Security cards/Medicaid cards often have dates like 01-01-10 or any such varient. My grandfather and grandmother from my mother's side didn't know their exact ages, and told us often that the passport date was incorrect. > >I agree that passport documents were probably more easily altered. And >it was easy to play with some other kinds of documents. I agree. > >In any event, Moishe, it doesn't matter if we would prefer to have >official documents. That's what has hung us up all these years. Now we >know that they simply don't exist for 95% of our towns. We just have to >forge ahead with what we have. > >I would suggest, however, that we try to loosen our heads a bit on the >subject of how many children were in Pesach's family and whether Pesach >had siblings. This is not an unreasonable assumption. Why should the original Pesach not have had siblings. The family always claimed that HIS origin was shrouded in mystery. Either he was considered to be a simple religious man or one of the 36 hidden Tzaddikim (or both)! What is known at least by my branch of the family-- as in our tradition (L2 and L3) that these were descendants of that Pesach. That there may be Langsam that come from a brother of Pesach (or sister) is not at all unreasonable one way or the other. In fact, since no one knows much about his origin and how he came to the town of Yawornik, perhaps he wandered away (or had to flee or whatever) from his own family and thus another whole set of Langsam descendants would come from his original family elsewhere in Galicia. As we published in the book, there is one source that states who his greatgrandfather was, but that is only one source, and no one can explain where that tradition comes from. >I see no other option than to assume that some of the >Langsams in the world are not related to us but acquired the name in the >same way that our family did. On the other hand, we have a great deal >of evidence in the H section that there were Langsams with similar >naming patterns who lived in a widely scattered area of southwestern >Galicia. Not all of them could possibly have come in one or two >generations from one man named Pesach Langsam unless he had 20 >children! However, we have lots of evidence in the H section that we >had men living at roughly the same time as Pesach. Agree. And if that is the case, I am afraid that the H section will have to just remain unconnected. Perhaps with this very explanation included. > >If you look at #H8, it is clear to me that this is a branch from the >same vicinity as our Pesach, with the name David in it. There are a >number of changes in this tree, by the way...some corrections appear in >the update but many are in my file. They do not have a strong oral >tradition and they were apparently not particularly religious from the >first person who came to the US, so it's hard to know if it is possible >that they were from David ben Pesach. But be open to considering this >as an option. > If indeed there are more people in the L2 section than I am aware of that would come as no surprise to me. In fact, other than my immediate family and the oral tradition we have all had back to Pesach, we knew very little about the rest of the family. (As I noted earlier my grandfather's first cousin was living in Israel until about a year ago and we had no idea of his existence.) My grandfather left Poland at an early age-alone-to move in with his cousins in Germany) He saw his parent's only once after that when they came for a brief visit- they were killed in the Holocaust. My grandparents came to the USA when my father was 14 and no one ever spoke about the Polish branch of the family. I don't think it is reasonable to ever hope to put everything together perfectly. But so what?! Best Regards Yedidyah PS. I have lots of handwritten material that people have sent me over the years since the book was written-plus the family has grown. At some point we need to consider how we will be recording this information in a form that can easily be merged with what we already have. $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256698.00272096; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:07:22 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11164; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:10:40 -0400 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23606 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 03:10:36 -0400 Received: from netvision.net.il.netvision.net.il (ts022p11.jlm.netvision.net.il [199.203.101.173]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA12556 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:09:36 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199810090609.JAA12556@alpha.netvision.net.il> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Yeshivat Or David" To: "Moishe Miller" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:01:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Our Family Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <85256697.006B8A3C.00@notes2.prusec.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) SMTPOriginator: or_david@mail.netvision.net.il From: or_david@netvision.net.il Subject: Re: Our Family PostedDate: 10/09/98 05:01:28 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/09/98 03:07:28 AM-10/09/98 03:07:30 AM,10/09/98 03:08:24 AM-10/09/98 03:08:25 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/09/98 03:08:25 AM Categories: $Revisions: > From: "Moishe Miller" > To: or_david@netvision.net.il > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:35:30 -0400 > Subject: Our Family > Gutten Mo-ed, > Has your father given you the web address of my site? > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > > Can you find out a few things for me without using the "book"? You come > from Mayer Langsam. Do you know age, birthyear, year of his passing, where > buried, picture of "matzayvah"? The same question for HIS father. > Also, do you know how you are related to the Spinrads? They come from a > Mendel Langsam living in Tievere, Galicia. See encolosed. > Thanks! > Moishe Miller > moishe_miller@prusec.com > > (See attached file: Ychsq4.xls) > > This message cannot be delivered wiuthout user name in subject line Principal: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential MailSaveOptions: 1 Department: HR IS&CD OfficePhoneNumber: 212 214 - 3580 OfficeFaxNumber: 212 214 - 1354 SECUREMAIL: Logo: Encrypt: 0 DefaultMailSaveOptions: 1 Sign: 1 tmpAttachmentValidation: tmpMaxRecipientsValidation: SenderTag: $KeepPrivate: InetTest: tmpAttachmentSizes: 0 tmpAttachmentLimit: 0.5 tmpDocSizeLimit: 0.5 tmpMaxAttachmentSize: 0 tmpDocLength: 0.927734375 Subject: shmuel dovid langsam Restrictions: OriginalSendTo: OriginalCopyTo: OriginalBlindCopyTo: ArchiveDB: SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential@Prudential CopyTo: From: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential PostedDate: 10/08/98 11:28:19 AM $Signature: $UpdatedBy: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/08/98 11:28:19 AM-10/08/98 11:28:20 AM DeliveredDate: 10/08/98 11:28:20 AM $Orig: Categories: $Revisions: or_david@netvision.net.il Principal: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential MailSaveOptions: 1 Department: HR IS&CD OfficePhoneNumber: 212 214 - 3580 OfficeFaxNumber: 212 214 - 1354 SECUREMAIL: Logo: Encrypt: 0 DefaultMailSaveOptions: 1 Sign: 1 tmpAttachmentValidation: tmpMaxRecipientsValidation: SenderTag: $KeepPrivate: InetTest: tmpAttachmentSizes: 0 tmpAttachmentLimit: 0.5 tmpDocSizeLimit: 0.5 tmpMaxAttachmentSize: 0 tmpDocLength: 1.0390625 Subject: sources Restrictions: OriginalSendTo: OriginalCopyTo: OriginalBlindCopyTo: ArchiveDB: SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential@Prudential CopyTo: From: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential PostedDate: 10/08/98 11:27:15 AM $Signature: $UpdatedBy: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/08/98 11:27:15 AM-10/08/98 11:27:17 AM DeliveredDate: 10/08/98 11:27:17 AM $Orig: Categories: $Revisions: naftali Langsam 011 972 265 189 30 fax 265 36429 JJ Klein 011 972 536 98297 Principal: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential MailSaveOptions: 1 Department: HR IS&CD OfficePhoneNumber: 212 214 - 3580 OfficeFaxNumber: 212 214 - 1354 SECUREMAIL: Logo: Encrypt: 0 DefaultMailSaveOptions: 1 Sign: 1 tmpAttachmentValidation: tmpMaxRecipientsValidation: SenderTag: $KeepPrivate: InetTest: tmpAttachmentSizes: 0 tmpAttachmentLimit: 0.5 tmpDocSizeLimit: 0.5 tmpMaxAttachmentSize: 0 tmpDocLength: 1.2978515625 Subject: email resouces Restrictions: OriginalSendTo: OriginalCopyTo: OriginalBlindCopyTo: ArchiveDB: SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential@Prudential CopyTo: From: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential PostedDate: 10/08/98 11:10:52 AM $Signature: $UpdatedBy: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/08/98 11:10:52 AM-10/08/98 11:10:54 AM DeliveredDate: 10/08/98 11:10:54 AM $Orig: Categories: $Revisions: Ephraim Klein - Coffeebreak@mailhost.net Sora Krigsman" 70732.1325@compuserve.com - undeliverable tsemmele@datafirst.fr - did not reach the following recipient(s): dxxf98a - User Unknown ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256690.007DE76B; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:55:12 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA03450; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:47:47 -0400 Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18398 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:55:41 -0400 From: MG1041@aol.com Received: from MG1041@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3LQDa02329 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:52:19 EDT To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 SMTPOriginator: MG1041@aol.com From: MG1041@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research PostedDate: 10/01/98 06:52:19 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/01/98 06:55:20 PM-10/01/98 06:55:20 PM,10/01/98 06:53:30 PM-10/01/98 06:53:31 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/01/98 06:53:31 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moshe a Gut Yuhr! I hope you had a great high holiday. Y'malei Hashem Kol Misholoisecha. Just to add to the E Mail addresses anshie my brothers is: mumbaz2000@aol.com Chag Sameach! $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256690.007C665D; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:38:46 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33640; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:31:22 -0400 Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10120 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:39:16 -0400 From: MANNYHITEK@aol.com Received: from MANNYHITEK@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3ZBBa02341 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:37:46 EDT To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 SMTPOriginator: MANNYHITEK@aol.com From: MANNYHITEK@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research PostedDate: 10/01/98 06:37:46 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/01/98 06:38:48 PM-10/01/98 06:38:49 PM,10/01/98 06:36:58 PM-10/01/98 06:36:58 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/01/98 06:36:58 PM Categories: $Revisions: BH. safensoundkids.com or safetots@aol.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256690.0062D372; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:59:26 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12396; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:56:33 -0400 Received: from academic.touro.edu (academic.touro.edu [192.245.89.2]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18842 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:02:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (averymh@localhost) by academic.touro.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25770 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:02:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:02:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Avery M Horowitz To: Moishe Miller Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research In-Reply-To: <85256690.000AED5B.00@notes2.prusec.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: averymh@academic.touro.edu From: averymh@touro.edu Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research PostedDate: 10/01/98 02:02:28 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/01/98 01:59:31 PM-10/01/98 01:59:33 PM,10/01/98 02:00:35 PM-10/01/98 02:00:37 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/01/98 02:00:37 PM Categories: $Revisions: Belated wishes for a happy and healthy new year. Hopefully in the next few weeks I will be getting back to geneological activities - including some additions and corrections to what I already gave you. Maybe we could get together in the near future. Regards Avery **************************************** * Dr. Avery M. Horowitz * * Associate Dean of Students * * for Advisement and Counseling * * Touro College * * 1602 Avenue J * * Brooklyn, NY 11230 * * 718-252-7800 ext 253 * * averymh@touro.edu * **************************************** $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256690.00514168; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:47:31 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA84820; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:40:32 -0400 Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08654 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:48:00 -0400 From: MANNYHITEK@aol.com Received: from MANNYHITEK@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 3PRVa22052 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:46:20 EDT To: moishe_miller@prusec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 SMTPOriginator: MANNYHITEK@aol.com From: MANNYHITEK@aol.com Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research PostedDate: 10/01/98 10:46:20 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/01/98 10:47:41 AM-10/01/98 10:47:41 AM,10/01/98 10:45:51 AM-10/01/98 10:45:52 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/01/98 10:45:52 AM Categories: $Revisions: Piska Tova, Gmar Chasima Tova. Good to hear from you, even by mass email. Menachim $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256690.004A0602; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:28:32 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19974; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:25:51 -0400 Received: from notes950.cc.bellcore.com (notes950.cc.bellcore.com [128.96.115.72]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22472 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:31:54 -0400 From: tkrische@notes.cc.bellcore.com Received: by notes950.cc.bellcore.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 85256690.004A4182 ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:31:04 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: BELLCORE To: "Moishe Miller" Message-Id: <85256690.004A1248.00@notes950.cc.bellcore.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:30:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII SMTPOriginator: tkrische@notes.cc.bellcore.com From: tkrische@notes.cc.bellcore.com Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research PostedDate: 10/01/98 09:30:12 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/01/98 09:28:38 AM-10/01/98 09:28:38 AM,10/01/98 09:29:41 AM-10/01/98 09:29:44 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/01/98 09:29:44 AM Categories: $Revisions: A Gmar Chasima Tova to you and your family as well. My email address has changed to tkrische@notes.cc.bellcore.com Tuvia "Moishe Miller" on 09/30/98 10:00:21 PM To: TEK@cc.bellcore.com, appelkraut@provide.net, 70732.1325@compuserve.com, Phyllis_Payne@datascope.com, Rakevet@aol.com, dan@ics.uci.edu, "Sora Krigsman" , mschwa@aol.com, LiSchwa@aol.com, sporton@erols.com, miller@tafa.com, lenga@mdlib.huji.ac.il, Morris_Muller@tdc.com, tsemmele@datafirst.fr, Barditchev@aol.com, MG1041@aol.com, Jbenson425@aol.com, CLIsrael@aol.com, si55@aol.com, MiriamW@aol.com, rachelp1@juno.com, peninaD@aol.com, phillip.rosenblatt@bakernet.com, msh210@is7.nyu.edu, tedlau@aol.com, Naftali_MLangsam@compuserve.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, "Rivki Savitsky" , lousmagyar@aol.com, MannyHitek@aol.com, Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch, mmcohen@mambo.ucsc.edu, fdjm89a@prodigy.com, dmlangsa@email.uncc.edu, srwynne@erols.com, averymh@touro.edu, dxxf98a@prodigy.com, mrcigar@supernet.net, mlangsam@surfer.xti.com, qcjack@tadirantele.com cc: (bcc: Theodore E. Krischer/Bellcore) Subject: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research Hi, Happy New Year to you all! Please note my new email address moishe_miller@prusec.com The family tree still location still remains the same at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm Please note that the URL is case-sensitive. If your browser has problems (like some old AOL browsers) accessing this page, please try the tree itself at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/homemilr.htm I am trying to finalize some version of the tree, the 14,000 some odd known offspring of Pesach Langsam. Should you have any new input, or know of others that might, please advise me and/or forward this note to them. Thanks! Moishe Miller $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle.prusec.com ([48.1.250.78]) by notes.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 85256690.0048F5C6; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:16:55 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22322; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:10:01 -0400 Received: from Empire.Net (Empire.Net [208.223.32.15]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25000 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:24 -0400 Received: from pmail.tafa.com ([208.223.41.200]) by Empire.Net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21961 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810011317.JAA21961@Empire.Net> Received: from NHMAIN/SpoolDir by pmail.tafa.com (Mercury 1.40); 1 Oct 98 09:20:28 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by NHMAIN (Mercury 1.40); 1 Oct 98 09:19:11 -0500 From: "Bob Miller" Organization: TAFA Material Technologies, Inc. To: "Moishe Miller" Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:19:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research Reply-To: miller@tafa.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <85256690.000AED5B.00@notes2.prusec.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) SMTPOriginator: miller@tafa.com From: miller@tafa.com Subject: Re: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research PostedDate: 10/01/98 11:19:03 AM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: miller@tafa.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW03/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 10/01/98 09:17:02 AM-10/01/98 09:17:03 AM,10/01/98 09:15:13 AM-10/01/98 09:15:13 AM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 10/01/98 09:15:13 AM Categories: $Revisions: Dear Moishe: Please note my new company name. FYI, if you don't have it yet, my home address and phone are: 11822 Gladewood Lane Houston TX 77071 713-721-1016 All the best for the New Year! From: "Moishe Miller" To: TEK@cc.bellcore.com, appelkraut@provide.net, 70732.1325@compuserve.com, Phyllis_Payne@datascope.com, Rakevet@aol.com, dan@ics.uci.edu, "Sora Krigsman" , mschwa@aol.com, LiSchwa@aol.com, sporton@erols.com, miller@tafa.com, lenga@mdlib.huji.ac.il, Morris_Muller@tdc.com, tsemmele@datafirst.fr, Barditchev@aol.com, MG1041@aol.com, Jbenson425@aol.com, CLIsrael@aol.com, si55@aol.com, MiriamW@aol.com, rachelp1@juno.com, peninaD@aol.com, phillip.rosenblatt@BakerNet.com, msh210@is7.nyu.edu, tedlau@aol.com, Naftali_MLangsam@compuserve.com, langsam@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu, "Rivki Savitsky" , lousmagyar@aol.com, MannyHitek@aol.com, Daniel.Teichman@vsao.ch, mmcohen@mambo.ucsc.edu, fdjm89a@prodigy.com, dmlangsa@email.uncc.edu, srwynne@erols.com, averymh@touro.edu, dxxf98a@prodigy.com, mrcigar@supernet.net, mlangsam@surfer.xti.com, qcjack@tadirantele.com Date sent: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:00:21 -0400 Subject: Langsam-Miller-Spira-Eckstein Research > Hi, > Happy New Year to you all! > Please note my new email address > moishe_miller@prusec.com > > The family tree still location still remains the same at > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/hometree.htm > Please note that the URL is case-sensitive. If your browser has problems > (like some old AOL browsers) accessing this page, please try the tree > itself at > http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/homemilr.htm > > I am trying to finalize some version of the tree, the 14,000 some odd known > offspring of Pesach Langsam. Should you have any new input, or know of > others that might, please advise me and/or forward this note to them. > > Thanks! > Moishe Miller > > Sincerely, Robert A. Miller TAFA Material Technologies, Inc. 1702 Mykawa Road Pearland TX 77581 USA PHONE: 281-485-7765 FAX: 281-485-0211 EMAIL: miller@tafa.com $AdditionalHeaders: Received: from eagle2.prusec.com ([48.253.250.56]) by notes2.prusec.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (666.1 7-2-1998)) with SMTP id 8525668F.00798CD8; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:07:39 -0400 Received: from pruns1.prusec.com by eagle2.prusec.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18910; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:05:38 -0400 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by pruns1.prusec.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17470 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:11:02 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (207-172-45-244.s244.tnt5.brd.erols.com [207.172.45.244]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01052 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3612D660.F64@erols.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:09:52 -0700 From: Suzan Wynne Reply-To: srwynne@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Moishe Miller Subject: Re: Quandary References: <8525668E.004DEDA1.00@notes2.prusec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMTPOriginator: srwynne@erols.com From: srwynne@erols.com Subject: Re: Quandary PostedDate: 09/30/98 09:09:52 PM SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential ReplyTo: srwynne@erols.com $MessageStorage: 0 $UpdatedBy: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NYPLAZNGW04/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NYPLAZNML02/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 09/30/98 06:07:44 PM-09/30/98 06:07:45 PM,09/30/98 06:08:48 PM-09/30/98 06:08:50 PM $Orig: DeliveredDate: 09/30/98 06:08:50 PM Categories: $Revisions: Moishe Miller wrote: > > Dear Suzan, > I started to review all of our correspondence. I just reread the packet you > sent me on 9/14/96. A couple of observations: > Moishe, I will try to answer your questions but I may need to research some of them. It has been some time since I've paid much attention to the family history and a lot of details elude me. I've printed out your letter. I will number the points below for ease of referring back later. 1. * L4.0 has "Efraim Shmuel"'s. L2.3 has an "Efraim Shmuel", born c.1882. Are > L2.0 and L4.0 connected? Yes, this is what I've been trying to say for a couple of years now. Michael and Yedidyah are actually in the same line...all of the connectors between Yedidyah and Pesach Langsam should be moved over to L4. The line was probably headed by Pesach's son whom Yedidyah believes to have been DAvid. > >2. * In the preface to L4.0, Michael Cohen's last sentence is, "Chaim Efraim > Shmuel's father, Pesach, had 3 wives, the second being Faiga". L2.0 shows a > Pesach with 3 wives, one of which is Faiga. Are L2.0 and L4.0 connected? > Don't worry about this. The whole section needs to be revised. 3. * Could L2.0 and L4.0 Pesach be one and the same? Problem: L2.0 lists > Pesach as 1823-1928, substantiated by L2.4 civil records. In L4.1 there is > a Phillip/Pesach born in 1895. Was he named after someone else? Is L2.4 > Pesach the same man as L2.0 Pesach? Is the tradition in L2 branch that > Pesach lived to 105? Again, the top of the tree in L4 is showing an incorrect generation. > 4. * L4.0 Chaim Efraim Shmuel's death certificate you sent yields 1830-1920. > The marriage record implies 1838 (55 in 1893). Even with this date, his > wife is still older than him. If he was really older, he probably would > make himself the same age at least. This 1838 could easily place his > father, Pesach, as being born in 1820, which would coincide with the Pesach > Langsam death record you have of 1820, if the same Pesach Langsam is > assumed. > Which wife? Chaim had more than one. His first wife was a long time in coming to the US. Since it was an arranged marriage, she may well have been older than he. In fact, this seems to be fairly common in our family. Wife #1 wasn't here long when she died. Chaim remarried to a widow. We found some information about this. They didn't have children together, though she had children from her first marriage. The Pesach Langsam who died in 1820 is still an unknown quantity. All we have is the death record. He could be a number of people. More letter. 5. * L5.1, H25.0, and the Langsam - Spinrad tree I sent you, all start with > Mendel, the latter having two sons living in Tereve/Liskow, which sounds > like towns in H25.0. Also, L5.0 Chaim Leib is listed as 1783 - c 1866. > Seems odd that he would have kids so late in life. If Mendel L5.1 is > 1830-1915, could Chaim Leib be 1805 or 1810? Could he be a "GRANDSON" of > Pesach? > Wow, I will need to untangle this item and see if I can respond at a later time. The Tereve reference is to Tyrawa Woloska. Some of the H lines need to be merged. I have traced some of the lines more fully both by direct contact and records. 6. * Did all of Galicia adapt a surname in 1775? Were small towns like > Jawornik later? "L1" is the oldest branch and may have married in Slovakia. > Maybe he was no longer in Galicia when Pesach took the Langsam name? > Yes, it was a law that all male heads of household had to adopt a surname in 1775. It may have been that small towns were later in adhering to the law but I don't know that. Your speculation is certainly possible. 7. Could you provide any other documents for Pesach's children or > grandchildren. I look forward to your thoughts. > No, unfortunately, documents are not easy to come by and Pesach's children were all born before records were maintained. This leaves us with death records since no one in our family seems to have married in a civil ceremony until the late 19th and early 20th centuries...and then only a handful did so. What I keep hoping for is census documents but so far, no luck. > Happy New Year! Ditto! Suzan > -Moishe