The R' Zvi Elimelech Schonfeld Family
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:09:28 -0500
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: moishe@langsam.com
Subject: Schonfeld
Hi,
I am doing family research on the name Schonfeld. My maternal
grandfather, Moses (Moishe) Schonfeld, was the 8th of 10 children from
the second wife, Bayla, of Zvi Elimelech Schonfeld. Zvi had two children
from his first wife, she died and he left them with his in-laws in
Hungary. Bayla was the sister of the first wife.Since my grandfather was
the 10th of his 12 children and was born in1867, the older ones would
have been born in the 1840's and Zvi maybe in the 1820's.Any
connections?
Marge Schechner
momcactus@email.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:22:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Subject: Schonfeld
Hi,
I found your page fascinating especially since my mother has
her grandfather's name as Zvi Elimelech and one of her sister's
said his name was Hersh Shula and my grandparents had a first
baby boy who died shortly after birth whose name was Hersh
Melech. I don't know hi wives maiden names nor his first
wife's name, just my great grandmother Bayla. Some of your
dates dont fit if I am estimating my grandfather's birth in
1867. since he was the 10th if Zvi's children his father had
to have been born at least 35 when he was born so Zvi would
have had to be born no later than 1830. Wish I could help
more. I don't know any of my grandfathers siblings names but
have several of his niece's and nephew's names and will try
that route.
Marge Schechner
I would say most definitely. To tell you where you fit, can you provide
either some of the siblings names or verify that Bayla's maiden name was
Kallush? Did he have a sister Sara? Please see my website at
www.langsam.com
or the specific page at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/spira/bny-yscr.htm#L3.4.11
Please let me know,
-Moishe
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:01:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Subject: Schonfeld
Hi,
Thanks for the clarification. Found out that his name was Hersh
Melech and Hebrew name was Zvi Elimelech which now makes sense
since the baby who would have been my mother's oldest sibling
was named Hersh Melech (he died after "a bad bris")for their
grandfather.
Marge Schechner
You wrote:
Hi,
Sorry for the delay. I will answer the rest of your email shortly. Just one
thing to point out.
Hersh Shula is not a name. It must have been Hersh. The phonetic "ula"
"ela", or "ala" is added at the end of almost any name as a term of
endearment, like Moshela (for Moshe), Chanala (for Chana), etc.
-Moishe
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:34:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Subject: Schonfeld
Hi,
I wish I could help with this one but the only one that I know of is my
grandfather, Moses (Moshe). For some reason,no one in the family knows
the names of any of his siblings, just that Zvi was from Hungary and
born somewhere in the 1820-30 range.Zvi had died by 1896 since the first
child to my grandparents was a boy named Hersh Melech who died shortly
after birth and was born in 1896. I know the names of a few of his
siblings children who were my grandfather's age. One of his siblings
sons(obviously a brother) was Abe Schonfeld who accompanied my grandmother
here in 1912, June or so to New York and two sisters, Esther Weisman and
Fannie Goldberg, who were about my grandmother's age so born about 1875 to
another of his siblings but dont know if they were Schoenfelds by maiden
name or not.
Marge
You wrote:
Hi,
Can we start in the beginning? Can you list (in age order?) the children
from each of R' Zvi Elimelech's marriages? For women, can you add their
married names?
Do you have a genelogical report out of a program like Family Tree Maker or
such?
-Moishe
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:45:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Schonfeld
The only thing that I can add is that my grandfather was the 8th of 10
children from the second marriage and he was born in 1867 so if R'Hersh
Mylech Spira died in 1841, then my great grandfather would have been born
then and fathered 10 children by the time he was 26 in 1867, when my
grandfather was born. Possible, but not likely,unless a lot of them died
in infancy and another was produced in less than a year. I wish I knew.
Marge
You wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for your response. You should be aware that Zvi Elimelech's (Hersh
Mylech) namesake was the famed R' Hersh Mylech Spira, author of various
books, the most famous entitled "Bnei Yissochur", for which he is known. He
lived from 1783 - 1841. Can your datres fit with your g-grandfather being
born then (>1841) instead of 1820-1830?
-Moishe
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:09:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Schonfeld
Hi,
He told my mother and the other children that he was born in "yar
sieben 'n' sechtzig".
Marge
You wrote:
Hi,
How do you know it was 1867?
-Moishe
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:58:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Subject: Schonfeld
Hi,
The first baby was a boy named Harry (Hersh Melech) who died shortly
after birth in 1896 or 7 from a "bad bris".First one to survive was my
aunt Bertha, born November 20,1898.
Marge
You wrote:
Thanks for the reply. One more question. What year was his first child born?
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:20:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Marge Schechner <momcactus@email.com>
To: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Schonfeld
Hi,
I found another evidence of my grandfather's birth year on his Naturlization
certificate. It is dated 10/7/21 and has his age as 54, so again birth year
1867. Been thinking about the famiy story of his being the 8th of 10 children.
We have no proof since he never mentioned names of any of his siblings. There
were at least two since it was his nephew Abe Schoenfeld who accompanied my
grandmother here in 1912 and it was his niece Esther Weisman who he stayed
with in NY while my grandmother was in Europe.
Marge
Thanks for your response. You should be aware that Zvi Elimelech's (Hersh
Mylech) namesake was the famed R' Hersh Mylech Spira, author of various
books, the most famous entitled "Bnei Yissochur", for which he is known. He
lived from 1783 - 1841. Can your datres fit with your g-grandfather being
born then (>1841) instead of 1820-1830?
-Moishe
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From: "Louis Schonfeld"
To: "Hungarian SIG"
Subject: Kallush family update
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:33:38 -0400
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Dear Nathan,
I finally have definitive knowledge as to how the Schonfeld and Kallush
families are related:
Rabbi Meshullam Dov Kallush, Dayan (religious court judge) of Munkacs was
the father-in-law of Rabbi Zvi Elimelech Schonfeld (son of Moshe Schonfeld
and Sara Spira, the daughter of the Bnei Yissaschar). In fact, after Rabbi
Z.E. Schonfeld's zivug rishon (first wife) was niftar (died)her sibling
became his sivug sheni (second wife). I have known this for several years.
What is new is that Rabbi Meshullam Dov Kallush also had a son Elimelech
Kallush who had a son Shalom Kallush (d.1920) who married a daughter of
Rabbi Z.E. Schonfeld. Shalom and his wife, nee' Schonfeld had a son BenZion
and a daughter Chaya Breine who married Rabbi Shlomo Eliezer Weisel (he was
Rabbi in a town in Maramoresh). Other Kallush offspring are not named here
since I don't have that information. Hopefully, this will be helpful to you,
and others as well.
Best wishes,
Louis Schonfeld
I would be very interested to hear from anyone with knowledge or an interest in the Miller family.
Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
My home address is
1374 East 28th Street
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