Received: from eagle3.prusec.com ([48.112.13.13]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2003031305410999:22946 ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:41:09 -0500 Received: from njros1nms02.prudential.com ([48.112.13.12]) by eagle3.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.5/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h2DAfRK22569 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms02.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:41:06 -0500 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.5/Switch-2.2.5) with SMTP id h2DAeX605892 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 203-206-2-151.dial.flow.com.au (HELO carol) (carol?dor@203.206.2.151 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 10:40:59 -0000 MIME_Version: 1.0 $MessageID: <3E705E6D.000001.96221@carol.mshome.net> PostedDate: 03/13/2003 05:33:17 AM $Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1800828) From: "Carol Dor" References: X_Fid: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X_FVER: X_CNT: ; DeliveryPriority: N SendTo: Subject: Re: Langsam Research $FILE: $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/13/2003 05:41:10 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 03/13/2003 05:41:11 AM,MIME-CD complete at 03/13/2003 05:41:11 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au NAI101564: u00003dc $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 03/13/2003 05:41:10 AM-03/13/2003 05:41:11 AM,03/13/2003 05:41:11 AM-03/13/2003 05:41:13 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u0011af4 RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 03/13/2003 05:41:13 AM Hi Moishe, I have viewed the records for Maksymilian and Salomon Klinger and they were indeed siblings of my late grandfather, Leon, as was Rywka Langsam/Klinger. Scheindel Langsam is the daughter of Jakoba & Estery Langsam of Nowa Gora - I don't know how or if they fit into the family, but it seems likely. I will check the cemetery records for Jehide Leib Arie Langsam next. Thanks again for your help, Regard,s Carol -------Original Message------- From: Moishe Miller Date: Wednesday, 25 December 2002 02:42:37 AM To: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi, Thanks for keeping me in the loop. You might want to view LANGSAM/KLUGER Chawa 1874; Film# 1201162 (akt 564) KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 Right now, it seems we have not really progressed to far. We learned that Yehuda Leib LIVED IN Nowa-Gora. I am not clear by what you mean "Could it be that Cypa's mother married a brother (Jehuda Leib) of the late Jakob Langsam". Didn't Cypa's mother, Chany, marry Yehuda Leib? Are you thinking that Jakob was Chany's first husband or Yehuda Leib's fatrher or something else entirely (sorry for being so dense)? Also, why is it strange for Leon to be named after his grandfather? Perhaps he passed away. This was a common custom. Why should he be named after Jakob? Who is Jakob, Rivka's father? Yehuda Leib's father (according to your theory)? Rivka may not have been related. Perhaps if you view the other two films, it will give us the maiden name of Chany or other info. Then we can try and find other avenues to continue the research. I looked in JewishGen again for LANGSAM in Krakow. You might want to refer to http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/krakow/krakcem.htm and investigate: Surname Givenname Type Section Row Grave Page Sort LANGSAM Jehide-Leib-Arie R 21 3 25 108 41 LANGSAM Cyrul R 5 5 22 108 44 Also, you can try for the expanded BANN for marraiges, which may give more detail. This is at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm You probably want TWO records, one for Zippe Langsam, daughter of Juda Leib. The other is Scheindel Langsam, daughter of Jakob. Both married in 1877, fond 998, akt 10 (Scheindl) and akt 11 (Zippe). If you need help with the form, let me know. Are you in contact with Otto's family? Perhaps they know other information, like any LANGSAM cousins, even if they do not know how. Moishe Carol Dor Monday December 23, 2002 02:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi Moishe, With regard to my great grandmother - Cypa Langsam: As you will recall, I received the FHC INTL film 1201163. It contains the birth of Rywka Klinger/Langsam in 1876 and the marriage of Jakob Klinger to Cypa Langsam in 1877. In the "Rywka" record, the mother's entry states "Cypa, daughter of the late Jakob Langsam and his wife . from Auschwitz." (Those dots actually appear in the record - it is not that the writing is illegible) Whereas in the marriage of Jakob Klinger to Cypa Langsam, the record states "Cypa Langsam from Nowa-Gora, current address Krakow, daughter of Judy-Leiba and Chany Langsam of Nowa Gora. Could it be that Cypa's mother married a brother (Jehuda Leib) of the late Jakob Langsam between 1876 and 1877? I know this was a Jewish custom. Or could the "Jakob" entry simply be a mistake? Another strange thing is that the Hebrew name of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, was Jehuda Leib. I would have thought he would have been named after Jakob, but perhaps this was not done as this was also his father's name. It's all a little confusing for me. Kind regards and best wishes for a happy, healthy and peaceful 2003, Carol --- Moishe Miller wrote: > > > Hi, > Happy to hear your good news. Please let me know > what it says in the > record. > > Moishe > > > > "Carol Dor" > Thursday November 28, 2002 05:18 AM > To: > cc: > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > Dear Moishe, > > I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it > was exciting. Couldn't > have done it without the instructions you provided. > My son has a Polish > friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a > translation. > > Thank you very much again for your help. Best > regards and Chag Sameach, > Carol. > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Moishe Miller > > Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM > > To: Carol Dor > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Looking at the FHC description, I see > > FHL INTL Film 1201163 > > Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta > zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks > urodzen 1871-1875 > > > > It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a > record, or AKT. > > Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only > 1877, you need to skip > through all the births to come to the marriage > section. > > In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th > and 11th records, both > for > LANGSAM. > > If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, > print it and fax it to me > (if you can not read the Polish). > > I will find someone here that can translate. > > > > Moishe > > fax: 212 214 1354 > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol Dor > > Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM > > To: Moishe Miller > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > > > Hi Moishe, > > I would very much appreciate your help. > > As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family > History Centre - #1201163 - > > and thought I would have no problems finding the > records in which I was > > interested: The marriage record for my great > grandparents - Cype Langsam > > to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two > births which may have a > > family connection. > > I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did > not know where to > > start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean > something, but could not find > > the connection. > > How should I be searching these records? I would be > very grateful for any > > tips you could give me. > > Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks > for your past > > assistance, > > Kind regards, Carol. > > > > Moishe Miller wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s > next to them can be > > ordered through the family history center. The > Krakow records need to be > > ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you > have trouble doing > > that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you > through it. > > > > Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? > > > > Moishe > > > > > > > > > > Carol Dor > > Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM > > To: Moishe Miller > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > > === message truncated ===
Dear Moishe,
I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it was exciting.  Couldn't have done it without the instructions you  provided.  My son has a Polish friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a translation.
Thank you very much again for your help.  Best regards and Chag Sameach, Carol.
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM
Subject: Re: Langsam Research
 

Hi,

Looking at the FHC description, I see
FHL INTL Film 1201163
Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks urodzen 1871-1875

It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a record, or AKT.
Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only 1877, you need to skip through all the births to come to the marriage section.
In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th and 11th records, both for LANGSAM.
If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, print it and fax it to me (if you can not read the Polish).
I will find someone here that can translate.

Moishe
fax: 212 214 1354





Carol Dor < >
Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM
To: Moishe Miller < >
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Hi Moishe,
I would very much appreciate your help.
As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 -
and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was
interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam
to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a
family connection.
I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to
start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find
the connection.
How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any
tips you could give me.
Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past
assistance,
Kind regards, Carol.

Moishe Miller <> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be
ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be
ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing
that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it.

Can you find out if Leon had any siblings?

Moishe




Carol Dor
Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



WOW. You are incredible.
I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great
grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them
went to the USA, but anything is possible.
My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via
Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto,
was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max
(Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings.
I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger
yet, but am keen to do so.
There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the
Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not
find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided.
When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger
- are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow
records?
Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell
you how grateful I am.
Best regards, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote:
Hi

Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to
you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie
(Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA?

In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area.
Listed there is:
LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana
marrying in 1877 to
KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl

This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data
than was usual.
You can view what would be on the marriage record at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm

Have you already ordered this certificate?

Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide
Leib Arei Langsam listed.
This might be your great-great-grandfather.

There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is
available on microfilm from the
Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you
live? This is film #1201163.
A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also
available on film #1201163.

Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records:
KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163
KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163
KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664
KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665
KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665

If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the
geography, I still think there is a
good chance that we have a connection between our families.

-Moishe Miller







Carol Dor
Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
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Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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WOW. You are incredible.
I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great
grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them
went to the USA, but anything is possible.
My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via
Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto,
was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max
(Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings.
I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger
yet, but am keen to do so.
There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the
Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not
find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided.
When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger
- are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow
records?
Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell
you how grateful I am.
Best regards, Carol.
Moishe Miller <> wrote:
Hi

Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to
you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie
(Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA?

In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area.
Listed there is:
LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana
marrying in 1877 to
KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl

This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data
than was usual.
You can view what would be on the marriage record at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm

Have you already ordered this certificate?

Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide
Leib Arei Langsam listed.
This might be your great-great-grandfather.

There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is
available on microfilm from the
Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you
live? This is film #1201163.
A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also
available on film #1201163.

Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records:
KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163
KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163
KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664
KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665
KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665

If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the
geography, I still think there is a
good chance that we have a connection between our families.

-Moishe Miller







Carol Dor
Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller <> wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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As you will note from the email below, months ago I sent a cheque with a letter requesting copy of the record of the marriage of Cypa Langsam to Jakob Klinger. I have never received any acknowledgement nor response to my request or follow-up emails. I therefore have not rushed to make further inquiries through them. On the other hand, my dealings with the FHC have been problem-free. I thought perhaps because Rywka was born out of wedlock, Cypa may have been loathe to furnish the correct details of her parents. Kind regards, Carol. --- Carol Dor wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:39:32 +1100 (EST) > From: Carol Dor > Subject: Checks > To: jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org > > I refer to some recent correspondence you have > received. > > Several months ago I wrote to the Ronald S Lauder > Foundation Genealogy Project requesting a copy of > the > record of my great grandparents' wedding and > enclosing > a cheque from "Bridge World Magazine Inc. for US$10 > made out to the Javne Fund.I have had no response to > my letter and would like to send an email to inquire > about the status of my request. > Could you please provide me with an email > address?The > record I am after is the marriage of Jacob Klinger > to > Cype Langsam in 1877 - Film 1201163 Akt 11. > Hoping to hear from you and thanking you in > anticipation, > Carol Dor, > > http://greetings.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Greetings > - Send your seasons greetings online this year! > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! 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Received: from eagle3.prusec.com ([48.112.13.13]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002122700441746:25007 ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:44:17 -0500 Received: from njros1nms2003.prudential.com (njros1nms2003.prudential.com [48.112.13.14]) by eagle3.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id gBR5iJV09430 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms2003.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.1) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:44:14 -0500 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id gBR5ha923040 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 203-206-4-107.dial.flow.com.au (HELO carol) (carol?dor@203.206.4.107 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 05:43:56 -0000 MIME_Version: 1.0 $MessageID: <3E0BE8C2.000001.22963@carol.mshome.net> PostedDate: 12/27/2002 12:44:34 AM $Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1800828) From: "Carol Dor" References: X_Fid: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X_FVER: X_CNT: ; DeliveryPriority: N SendTo: Subject: Re: Langsam Research $FILE: $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/27/2002 12:44:17 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/27/2002 12:44:24 AM,MIME-CD complete at 12/27/2002 12:44:24 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au NAI101564: u00003dc $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/27/2002 12:44:17 AM-12/27/2002 12:44:24 AM,12/27/2002 12:44:26 AM-12/27/2002 12:44:28 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u0011c96 RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 12/27/2002 12:44:28 AM Sorry my email wasn't clear. What I was trying to get info on from the film was the parents of Cypa (aka Cecilia/Zipe) Langsam. The two records I looked at were - a) birth of Cypa's (and Jakob Klinger's) daughter Rywka in 1876 b) her marriage to Jakob Klinger in 1877 _________________ a) In the birth record, Cypa, Rywka's mother, is described as the daughter of the late JAKOB Langsam and his wife ........ (name not provided) of Auschwitz b) In the marriage record, Cypa is described as the daughter of YEHUDA LEIB and Chany of Nowa Gora. I have order the Film 1895665 which includes the births of Maksymilian and Salomon Klinger. I know Maksymilian was my grandfather's brother but don't know if Salomon was related. These records may provide more info on Cypa's parents. Can't understand why in one record Cypa's father is JAKOB and in the second YEHUDA LEIB. Thanks again for all your help and I will let you know the data on the Maksymilian / Salmon film. Regards, Carol. -------Original Message------- From: Moishe Miller Date: Wednesday, 25 December 2002 02:42:37 AM To: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi, Thanks for keeping me in the loop. You might want to view LANGSAM/KLUGER Chawa 1874; Film# 1201162 (akt 564) KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 Right now, it seems we have not really progressed to far. We learned that Yehuda Leib LIVED IN Nowa-Gora. I am not clear by what you mean "Could it be that Cypa's mother married a brother (Jehuda Leib) of the late Jakob Langsam". Didn't Cypa's mother, Chany, marry Yehuda Leib? Are you thinking that Jakob was Chany's first husband or Yehuda Leib's fatrher or something else entirely (sorry for being so dense)? Also, why is it strange for Leon to be named after his grandfather? Perhaps he passed away. This was a common custom. Why should he be named after Jakob? Who is Jakob, Rivka's father? Yehuda Leib's father (according to your theory)? Rivka may not have been related. Perhaps if you view the other two films, it will give us the maiden name of Chany or other info. Then we can try and find other avenues to continue the research. I looked in JewishGen again for LANGSAM in Krakow. You might want to refer to http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/krakow/krakcem.htm and investigate: Surname Givenname Type Section Row Grave Page Sort LANGSAM Jehide-Leib-Arie R 21 3 25 108 41 LANGSAM Cyrul R 5 5 22 108 44 Also, you can try for the expanded BANN for marraiges, which may give more detail. This is at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm You probably want TWO records, one for Zippe Langsam, daughter of Juda Leib. The other is Scheindel Langsam, daughter of Jakob. Both married in 1877, fond 998, akt 10 (Scheindl) and akt 11 (Zippe). If you need help with the form, let me know. Are you in contact with Otto's family? Perhaps they know other information, like any LANGSAM cousins, even if they do not know how. Moishe Carol Dor Monday December 23, 2002 02:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi Moishe, With regard to my great grandmother - Cypa Langsam: As you will recall, I received the FHC INTL film 1201163. It contains the birth of Rywka Klinger/Langsam in 1876 and the marriage of Jakob Klinger to Cypa Langsam in 1877. In the "Rywka" record, the mother's entry states "Cypa, daughter of the late Jakob Langsam and his wife . from Auschwitz." (Those dots actually appear in the record - it is not that the writing is illegible) Whereas in the marriage of Jakob Klinger to Cypa Langsam, the record states "Cypa Langsam from Nowa-Gora, current address Krakow, daughter of Judy-Leiba and Chany Langsam of Nowa Gora. Could it be that Cypa's mother married a brother (Jehuda Leib) of the late Jakob Langsam between 1876 and 1877? I know this was a Jewish custom. Or could the "Jakob" entry simply be a mistake? Another strange thing is that the Hebrew name of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, was Jehuda Leib. I would have thought he would have been named after Jakob, but perhaps this was not done as this was also his father's name. It's all a little confusing for me. Kind regards and best wishes for a happy, healthy and peaceful 2003, Carol --- Moishe Miller wrote: > > > Hi, > Happy to hear your good news. Please let me know > what it says in the > record. > > Moishe > > > > "Carol Dor" > Thursday November 28, 2002 05:18 AM > To: > cc: > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > Dear Moishe, > > I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it > was exciting. Couldn't > have done it without the instructions you provided. > My son has a Polish > friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a > translation. > > Thank you very much again for your help. Best > regards and Chag Sameach, > Carol. > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Moishe Miller > > Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM > > To: Carol Dor > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Looking at the FHC description, I see > > FHL INTL Film 1201163 > > Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta > zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks > urodzen 1871-1875 > > > > It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a > record, or AKT. > > Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only > 1877, you need to skip > through all the births to come to the marriage > section. > > In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th > and 11th records, both > for > LANGSAM. > > If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, > print it and fax it to me > (if you can not read the Polish). > > I will find someone here that can translate. > > > > Moishe > > fax: 212 214 1354 > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol Dor > > Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM > > To: Moishe Miller > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > > > Hi Moishe, > > I would very much appreciate your help. > > As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family > History Centre - #1201163 - > > and thought I would have no problems finding the > records in which I was > > interested: The marriage record for my great > grandparents - Cype Langsam > > to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two > births which may have a > > family connection. > > I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did > not know where to > > start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean > something, but could not find > > the connection. > > How should I be searching these records? I would be > very grateful for any > > tips you could give me. > > Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks > for your past > > assistance, > > Kind regards, Carol. > > > > Moishe Miller wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s > next to them can be > > ordered through the family history center. The > Krakow records need to be > > ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you > have trouble doing > > that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you > through it. > > > > Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? > > > > Moishe > > > > > > > > > > Carol Dor > > Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM > > To: Moishe Miller > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > > === message truncated ===
Dear Moishe,
I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it was exciting.  Couldn't have done it without the instructions you  provided.  My son has a Polish friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a translation.
Thank you very much again for your help.  Best regards and Chag Sameach, Carol.
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM
Subject: Re: Langsam Research
 

Hi,

Looking at the FHC description, I see
FHL INTL Film 1201163
Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks urodzen 1871-1875

It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a record, or AKT.
Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only 1877, you need to skip through all the births to come to the marriage section.
In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th and 11th records, both for LANGSAM.
If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, print it and fax it to me (if you can not read the Polish).
I will find someone here that can translate.

Moishe
fax: 212 214 1354





Carol Dor < >
Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM
To: Moishe Miller < >
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Hi Moishe,
I would very much appreciate your help.
As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 -
and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was
interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam
to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a
family connection.
I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to
start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find
the connection.
How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any
tips you could give me.
Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past
assistance,
Kind regards, Carol.

Moishe Miller <> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be
ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be
ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing
that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it.

Can you find out if Leon had any siblings?

Moishe




Carol Dor
Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



WOW. You are incredible.
I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great
grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them
went to the USA, but anything is possible.
My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via
Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto,
was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max
(Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings.
I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger
yet, but am keen to do so.
There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the
Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not
find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided.
When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger
- are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow
records?
Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell
you how grateful I am.
Best regards, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote:
Hi

Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to
you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie
(Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA?

In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area.
Listed there is:
LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana
marrying in 1877 to
KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl

This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data
than was usual.
You can view what would be on the marriage record at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm

Have you already ordered this certificate?

Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide
Leib Arei Langsam listed.
This might be your great-great-grandfather.

There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is
available on microfilm from the
Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you
live? This is film #1201163.
A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also
available on film #1201163.

Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records:
KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163
KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163
KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664
KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665
KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665

If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the
geography, I still think there is a
good chance that we have a connection between our families.

-Moishe Miller







Carol Dor
Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
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Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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WOW. You are incredible.
I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great
grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them
went to the USA, but anything is possible.
My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via
Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto,
was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max
(Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings.
I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger
yet, but am keen to do so.
There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the
Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not
find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided.
When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger
- are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow
records?
Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell
you how grateful I am.
Best regards, Carol.
Moishe Miller <> wrote:
Hi

Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to
you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie
(Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA?

In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area.
Listed there is:
LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana
marrying in 1877 to
KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl

This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data
than was usual.
You can view what would be on the marriage record at
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm

Have you already ordered this certificate?

Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide
Leib Arei Langsam listed.
This might be your great-great-grandfather.

There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is
available on microfilm from the
Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you
live? This is film #1201163.
A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also
available on film #1201163.

Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records:
KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163
KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163
KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664
KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665
KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665

If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the
geography, I still think there is a
good chance that we have a connection between our families.

-Moishe Miller







Carol Dor
Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller <> wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam htm

My home email address is


Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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Greetings - Send your seasons greetings online this year! . - C.htm Received: from eagle3.prusec.com ([48.112.13.13]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002122302082219:4943 ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:08:22 -0500 Received: from njros1nms2003.prudential.com (njros1nms2003.prudential.com [48.112.13.14]) by eagle3.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id gBN78OV29690 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms2003.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.1) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:08:21 -0500 Received: from web21302.mail.yahoo.com (web21302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.210]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id gBN77j928434 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:07:45 -0500 (EST) $MessageID: <20021223070820.68836.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.129.95.21] by web21302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:08:20 EST PostedDate: 12/23/2002 02:08:20 AM From: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research SendTo: Moishe Miller In_Reply_To: MIME_Version: 1.0 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/23/2002 02:08:22 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/23/2002 02:08:23 AM,MIME-CD complete at 12/23/2002 02:08:23 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/23/2002 02:08:22 AM-12/23/2002 02:08:23 AM,12/23/2002 02:08:22 AM-12/23/2002 02:08:23 AM $Orig: Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 12/23/2002 02:08:23 AM Hi Moishe, With regard to my great grandmother - Cypa Langsam: As you will recall, I received the FHC INTL film 1201163. It contains the birth of Rywka Klinger/Langsam in 1876 and the marriage of Jakob Klinger to Cypa Langsam in 1877. In the "Rywka" record, the mother's entry states "Cypa, daughter of the late Jakob Langsam and his wife ........ from Auschwitz." (Those dots actually appear in the record - it is not that the writing is illegible) Whereas in the marriage of Jakob Klinger to Cypa Langsam, the record states "Cypa Langsam from Nowa-Gora, current address Krakow, daughter of Judy-Leiba and Chany Langsam of Nowa Gora. Could it be that Cypa's mother married a brother (Jehuda Leib) of the late Jakob Langsam between 1876 and 1877? I know this was a Jewish custom. Or could the "Jakob" entry simply be a mistake? Another strange thing is that the Hebrew name of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, was Jehuda Leib. I would have thought he would have been named after Jakob, but perhaps this was not done as this was also his father's name. It's all a little confusing for me. Kind regards and best wishes for a happy, healthy and peaceful 2003, Carol --- Moishe Miller wrote: > > > Hi, > Happy to hear your good news. Please let me know > what it says in the > record. > > Moishe > > > > "Carol Dor" > Thursday November 28, 2002 05:18 AM > To: > cc: > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > Dear Moishe, > > I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it > was exciting. Couldn't > have done it without the instructions you provided. > My son has a Polish > friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a > translation. > > Thank you very much again for your help. Best > regards and Chag Sameach, > Carol. > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Moishe Miller > > Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM > > To: Carol Dor > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Looking at the FHC description, I see > > FHL INTL Film 1201163 > > Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta > zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks > urodzen 1871-1875 > > > > It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a > record, or AKT. > > Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only > 1877, you need to skip > through all the births to come to the marriage > section. > > In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th > and 11th records, both > for > LANGSAM. > > If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, > print it and fax it to me > (if you can not read the Polish). > > I will find someone here that can translate. > > > > Moishe > > fax: 212 214 1354 > > > > > > > > > > > > Carol Dor > > Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM > > To: Moishe Miller > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > > > Hi Moishe, > > I would very much appreciate your help. > > As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family > History Centre - #1201163 - > > and thought I would have no problems finding the > records in which I was > > interested: The marriage record for my great > grandparents - Cype Langsam > > to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two > births which may have a > > family connection. > > I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did > not know where to > > start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean > something, but could not find > > the connection. > > How should I be searching these records? I would be > very grateful for any > > tips you could give me. > > Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks > for your past > > assistance, > > Kind regards, Carol. > > > > Moishe Miller wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s > next to them can be > > ordered through the family history center. The > Krakow records need to be > > ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you > have trouble doing > > that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you > through it. > > > > Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? > > > > Moishe > > > > > > > > > > Carol Dor > > Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM > > To: Moishe Miller > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Langsam Research > > > > > > > === message truncated ===
Dear Moishe,
I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it was exciting.  Couldn't have done it without the instructions you  provided.  My son has a Polish friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a translation.
Thank you very much again for your help.  Best regards and Chag Sameach, Carol.
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM
Subject: Re: Langsam Research
 

Hi,

Looking at the FHC description, I see
FHL INTL Film 1201163
Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks urodzen 1871-1875

It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a record, or AKT.
Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only 1877, you need to skip through all the births to come to the marriage section.
In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th and 11th records, both for LANGSAM.
If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, print it and fax it to me (if you can not read the Polish).
I will find someone here that can translate.

Moishe
fax: 212 214 1354





Carol Dor <carol_dor@yahoo.com.au>
Sund ay November 24, 2002 05:00 AM
To: Moishe Miller <moishe_miller@prusec.com>
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Hi Moishe,
I would very much appreciate your help.
As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 -
and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was
interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam
to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a
family connection.
I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to
start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find
the connection.
How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any
tips you could give me.
Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past
assistance,
Kind regards, Carol.

Moishe Miller <moishe_miller@prusec.com> wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be
ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be
ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing
that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it.

Can you find out if Leon had any siblings?

Moishe




Carol Dor
Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



WOW. You are incredible.
I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great
grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them
went to the USA, but anything is possible.
My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via
Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto,
was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max
(Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings.
I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger
yet, but am keen to do so.
There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the
Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not
find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided.
When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger
- are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow
records?
Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell
you how grateful I am.
Best regards, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote:
Hi

Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to
you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie
(Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA?

In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area.
Listed there is:
LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana
marrying in 1877 to
KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl

This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data
than was usual.
You can view what would be on the marriage record at
http://www.je wishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm

Have you already ordered this certificate?

Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide
Leib Arei Langsam listed.
This might be your great-great-grandfather.

There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is
available on microfilm from the
Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you
live? This is film #1201163.
A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also
available on film #1201163.

Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records:
KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163
KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163
KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664
KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665
KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665

If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the
geography, I still think there is a
good chance that we have a connection between our families.

-Moishe Miller







Carol Dor
Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
htt p://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm

My home email address is
moishe@langsam.com

Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
htt p://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm

My home email address is
moishe@langsam.com

Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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WOW. You are incredible.
I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great
grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them
went to the USA, but anything is possible.
My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via
Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto,
was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max
(Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings.
I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger
yet, but am keen to do so.
There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the
Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not
find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided.
When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger
- are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow
records?
Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell
you how grateful I am.
Best regards, Carol.
Moishe Miller <moishe_miller@prusec.com> wrote:
Hi

Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to
you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie
(Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA?

In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area.
Listed there is:
LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana
marrying in 1877 to
KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl

This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data
than was usual.
You can view what would be on the marriage record at
http://www.je wishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm

Have you already ordered this certificate?

Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide
Leib Arei Langsam listed.
This might be your great-great-grandfather.

There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is
available on microfilm from the
Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you
live? This is film #1201163.
A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also
available on film #1201163.

Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records:
KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163
KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163
KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664
KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665
KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665

If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the
geography, I still think there is a
good chance that we have a connection between our families.

-Moishe Miller







Carol Dor
Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM
To: Moishe Miller
cc:
Subject: Re: Langsam Research



Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
htt p://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm

My home email address is
moishe@langsam.com

Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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Dear Moishe,
I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I
don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your
website.
What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were
Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice).
There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam
and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately.
It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree.
Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol.
Moishe Miller <moishe_miller@prusec.com> wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor,

I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive
Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about
your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and
Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor?

My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com

You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at
htt p://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm

My home email address is
moishe@langsam.com

Have a happy new year!
Moishe Miller




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Received: from eagle5.prusec.com ([48.112.125.95]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002120102022958:10278 ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:02:29 -0500 Received: from njros1nms02.prudential.com ([48.112.13.12]) by eagle5.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id gB172VI09680 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms02.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:02:26 -0500 Received: from web21305.mail.yahoo.com (web21305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.141]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id gB171k009044 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:01:46 -0500 (EST) $MessageID: <20021201070218.50851.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.129.95.21] by web21305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:02:18 EST PostedDate: 12/01/2002 02:02:18 AM From: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research SendTo: Moishe Miller In_Reply_To: MIME_Version: 1.0 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/01/2002 02:02:29 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/01/2002 02:02:30 AM,MIME-CD complete at 12/01/2002 02:02:30 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 12/01/2002 02:02:29 AM-12/01/2002 02:02:30 AM,12/01/2002 02:02:30 AM-12/01/2002 02:02:33 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u00110f8 RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 12/01/2002 02:02:33 AM Will do, with pleasure, Regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Happy to hear your good news. Please let me know what it says in the record. Moishe "Carol Dor" Thursday November 28, 2002 05:18 AM To: cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it was exciting. Couldn't have done it without the instructions you provided. My son has a Polish friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a translation. Thank you very much again for your help. Best regards and Chag Sameach, Carol. -------Original Message------- From: Moishe Miller Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM To: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi, Looking at the FHC description, I see FHL INTL Film 1201163 Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks urodzen 1871-1875 It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a record, or AKT. Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only 1877, you need to skip through all the births to come to the marriage section. In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th and 11th records, both for LANGSAM. If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, print it and fax it to me (if you can not read the Polish). I will find someone here that can translate. Moishe fax: 212 214 1354 Carol Dor Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi Moishe, I would very much appreciate your help. As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 - and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a family connection. I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find the connection. How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any tips you could give me. Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past assistance, Kind regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it. Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? Moishe Carol Dor Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! (See attached file: C.htm) (See attached file: C.htm) FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000;Dear Moishe,I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it was exciting. Couldn't have done it without the instructions you provided. My son has a Polish friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a translation.Thank you very much again for your help. Best regards and Chag Sameach, Carol.-------Original Message------- From: Moishe MillerDate: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AMTo: Carol DorSubject: Re: Langsam Research Hi, Looking at the FHC description, I see FHL INTL Film 1201163 Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks urodzen 1871-1875 It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a record, or AKT. Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only 1877, you need to skip through all the births to come to the marriage section. In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th and 11th records, both for LANGSAM. If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, print it and fax it to me (if you can not read the Polish). I will find someone here that can translate. Moishe fax: 212 214 1354 Carol Dor Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi Moishe, I would very much appreciate your help. As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 - and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a family connection. I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find the connection. How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any tips you could give me. Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past assistance, Kind regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it. Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? Moishe Carol Dor Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! 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Hint Dropper! - C.htm Received: from eagle3.prusec.com ([48.112.13.13]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002112806112298:39162 ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:11:22 -0500 Received: from njros1nms2003.prudential.com (njros1nms2003.prudential.com [48.112.13.14]) by eagle3.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id gASBBOo22319 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms2003.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.1) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:11:21 -0500 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id gASBAmX05791 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2002 06:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 203-206-0-168.dial.flow.com.au (HELO carol) (carol?dor@203.206.0.168 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2002 11:11:08 -0000 MIME_Version: 1.0 $MessageID: <3DE5ED81.000006.42427@carol> PostedDate: 11/28/2002 05:18:41 AM $Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1800828) From: "Carol Dor" References: X_Fid: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X_FVER: X_CNT: ; DeliveryPriority: N SendTo: Subject: Re: Langsam Research $FILE: $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/28/2002 06:11:23 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/28/2002 06:11:25 AM,MIME-CD complete at 11/28/2002 06:11:25 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au NAI101564: u00003dc $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/28/2002 06:11:23 AM-11/28/2002 06:11:25 AM,11/28/2002 06:11:25 AM-11/28/2002 06:11:27 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u0008800 RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 11/28/2002 06:11:27 AM Dear Moishe, I found the record I wanted very quickly today - it was exciting. Couldn't have done it without the instructions you provided. My son has a Polish friend who I am sure will be happy to help me with a translation. Thank you very much again for your help. Best regards and Chag Sameach, Carol. -------Original Message------- From: Moishe Miller Date: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 04:58:41 AM To: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi, Looking at the FHC description, I see FHL INTL Film 1201163 Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks urodzen 1871-1875 It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a record, or AKT. Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only 1877, you need to skip through all the births to come to the marriage section. In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th and 11th records, both for LANGSAM. If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, print it and fax it to me (if you can not read the Polish). I will find someone here that can translate. Moishe fax: 212 214 1354 Carol Dor Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi Moishe, I would very much appreciate your help. As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 - and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a family connection. I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find the connection. How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any tips you could give me. Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past assistance, Kind regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it. Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? Moishe Carol Dor Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! (See attached file: C.htm) - C.htm Received: from eagle3.prusec.com ([48.112.13.13]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002112605210441:51998 ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:21:04 -0500 Received: from njros1nms01.prudential.com (NJROS1NMS01.PRUDENTIAL.COM [48.112.13.9]) by eagle3.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id gAQALBt03950 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms01.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:21:05 -0500 Received: from web21306.mail.yahoo.com (web21306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.60]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id gAQAKXX15434 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 05:20:33 -0500 (EST) $MessageID: <20021126102105.60412.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.129.95.21] by web21306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:21:05 EST PostedDate: 11/26/2002 05:21:05 AM From: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research SendTo: Moishe Miller In_Reply_To: MIME_Version: 1.0 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/26/2002 05:21:04 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/26/2002 05:21:04 AM,MIME-CD complete at 11/26/2002 05:21:05 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/26/2002 05:21:04 AM-11/26/2002 05:21:05 AM,11/26/2002 05:21:06 AM-11/26/2002 05:21:08 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u000e506 RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 11/26/2002 05:21:08 AM That seems pretty straight forward - thank you very much. I will give it a go. Much appreciated, regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Looking at the FHC description, I see FHL INTL Film 1201163 Akta urodzin 1877 Akta malzenstw 1876-1877 Akta zgonów 1876-1877 Indeks urodzen 1871-1875 It is in German and Polish. Each "page" should be a record, or AKT. Since marriages are 1876 - 1877, and you want only 1877, you need to skip through all the births to come to the marriage section. In there, skip all of 1876. You can view the 10th and 11th records, both for LANGSAM. If you can find LANGSAM anywhere on those pages, print it and fax it to me (if you can not read the Polish). I will find someone here that can translate. Moishe fax: 212 214 1354 Carol Dor Sunday November 24, 2002 05:00 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi Moishe, I would very much appreciate your help. As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 - and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a family connection. I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find the connection. How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any tips you could give me. Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past assistance, Kind regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it. Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? Moishe Carol Dor Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! (See attached file: C.htm) Hi Moishe, I would very much appreciate your help. As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 - and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a family connection. I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find the connection. How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any tips you could give me. Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past assistance, Kind regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it. Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? Moishe Carol Dor Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob &! Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). Ther! e were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed t! hrough www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Hint Dropper! - C.htm Received: from eagle3.prusec.com ([48.112.13.13]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002112405372087:12500 ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 05:37:20 -0500 Received: from njros1nms2003.prudential.com (njros1nms2003.prudential.com [48.112.13.14]) by eagle3.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id gAOAbNt15661 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 05:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms2003.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.1) with ESMTP id for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 05:00:35 -0500 Received: from web21310.mail.yahoo.com (web21310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.211]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id gAOA02X03369 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 05:00:02 -0500 (EST) $MessageID: <20021124100029.45723.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.129.95.21] by web21310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:00:29 EST PostedDate: 11/24/2002 05:00:29 AM From: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research SendTo: Moishe Miller In_Reply_To: MIME_Version: 1.0 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/24/2002 05:37:20 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/24/2002 05:37:22 AM,MIME-CD complete at 11/24/2002 05:37:22 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 11/24/2002 05:37:21 AM-11/24/2002 05:37:22 AM,11/24/2002 05:37:22 AM-11/24/2002 05:37:25 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u0007078 RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 11/24/2002 05:37:25 AM Hi Moishe, I would very much appreciate your help. As suggested, I ordered a film from the Family History Centre - #1201163 - and thought I would have no problems finding the records in which I was interested: The marriage record for my great grandparents - Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger - should be on it, as well as two births which may have a family connection. I had a look at the microfilm, but quite frankly did not know where to start. I thought the "Akt" number may mean something, but could not find the connection. How should I be searching these records? I would be very grateful for any tips you could give me. Looking forward to hearing from you and with thanks for your past assistance, Kind regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi, Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it. Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? Moishe Carol Dor Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Hint Dropper - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! - C.htm Received: from eagle5.prusec.com ([48.112.125.95]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.9a) with ESMTP id 2002090506342965:39434 ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:34:29 -0400 Received: from njros1nms02.prudential.com ([48.112.13.12]) by eagle5.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g85AYU405551 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms02.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:34:28 -0400 Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g85AY7307495 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 203-206-3-32.dial.flow.com.au (HELO carol) (carol?dor@203.206.3.32 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 10:34:21 -0000 MIME_Version: 1.0 $MessageID: <3D772AAF.000004.13305@carol> PostedDate: 09/05/2002 05:58:07 AM $Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1750655) From: "Carol Dor" References: X_Fid: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X_FVER: X_CNT: ; DeliveryPriority: N SendTo: Subject: Re: Langsam Research $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 09/05/2002 06:34:29 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 09/05/2002 06:34:29 AM,MIME-CD complete at 09/05/2002 06:34:29 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 09/05/2002 06:34:29 AM-09/05/2002 06:34:29 AM,09/05/2002 06:34:30 AM-09/05/2002 06:34:32 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u00053dc RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 09/05/2002 06:34:32 AM Hi Moishe, I will have a go at ordering the Krakow records of Leon Klinger's possible siblings online after the High Holy Days. Maksymilian was his brother, but I don't know about the other "Klingers" you were able to locate. It will be very interesting to find out. Thanks again and hope the New Year will be a good one for you. Carol. -------Original Message------- From: Moishe Miller Date: Thursday, 05 September 2002 12:33:54 AM To: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research Hi, Thanks for your kind words. The names with film #'s next to them can be ordered through the family history center. The Krakow records need to be ordered online through the jewishgen website. If you have trouble doing that, pls let me know and I will help navigate you through it. Can you find out if Leon had any siblings? Moishe Carol Dor Wednesday September 4, 2002 07:54 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) - C.htm Received: from eagle5.prusec.com ([48.112.125.95]) by njros1ngw09.prudential.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.9a) with ESMTP id 2002090407542791:873056 ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:54:27 -0400 Received: from njros1nms02.prudential.com ([48.112.13.12]) by eagle5.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g84BsT416855 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate2.prusec.com (unverified) by njros1nms02.prudential.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:54:24 -0400 Received: from web21302.mail.yahoo.com (web21302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.210]) by mailgate2.prusec.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with SMTP id g84Bs4328447 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:54:04 -0400 (EDT) $MessageID: <20020904115424.71915.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.206.3.242] by web21302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:54:24 EST PostedDate: 09/04/2002 07:54:24 AM From: Carol Dor Subject: Re: Langsam Research SendTo: Moishe Miller In_Reply_To: MIME_Version: 1.0 $MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 09/04/2002 07:54:27 AM,MIME-CD by Router on NJROS1NGW09/SERVER/Prudential(Release 5.0.9a |January 7, 2002) at 09/04/2002 07:54:28 AM,MIME-CD complete at 09/04/2002 07:54:28 AM SMTPOriginator: carol_dor@yahoo.com.au $FILE: RouteServers: CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential RouteTimes: 09/04/2002 07:54:27 AM-09/04/2002 07:54:28 AM,09/04/2002 07:54:28 AM-09/04/2002 07:54:29 AM $Orig: NAI101562: u000333a RoutingState: UNDEAD $UpdatedBy: ,CN=NJROS1NGW09/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential,CN=NJROS1NML41/OU=SERVER/O=Prudential Categories: $Revisions: $MsgTrackFlags: 0 DeliveredDate: 09/04/2002 07:54:29 AM WOW. You are incredible. I know nothing about my Langsam family connection, other than my great grandmother's name and that of her parents' . I do not think any of them went to the USA, but anything is possible. My grandfather, Leon Klinger and his wife came to Australia from Vienna via Shanghai with his son, Hermann (my late father). Leon's other son, Otto, was already living in Australia. I do know Leon had a brother, Max (Maksymilian), but have no information about him nor any other siblings. I have not ordered a marriage certificate for Jakob and Cecilie Klinger yet, but am keen to do so. There is a Mormon Centre within minutes of my office (I work for the Friends of the Hebrew University in Sydney). I went there but could not find any information. Will try again with the data you have provided. When you mention film numbers next to the possible siblings of Leon Klinger - are these available from the Mormon Centre also, or from the Krakow records? Thank you very, very much for all the information you provided. Can't tell you how grateful I am. Best regards, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Hi Thanks for your response. Do you know of any other Langsam's related to you, even if you do not know how? Do you know of any siblings to Cecilie (Tzippy)? Did Leon or Jakob & Cecilie come to the USA? In the JewishGen site, they have the marriage records of the Krakow area. Listed there is: LANGSAM, Zippe of Nowe Gory ok. Krzeszowice, daughter of Juda - Leib & Gana marrying in 1877 to KLINGER, Jakob of Niez(illegible) ok. Wieliczka, son of Mannes & Gitl This is in fond 998, which according to their website, is more rich in data than was usual. You can view what would be on the marriage record at http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jhi/jri-jhi-krakow.htm Have you already ordered this certificate? Also, there are cemetery records from Krakow, in which there is a Jehide Leib Arei Langsam listed. This might be your great-great-grandfather. There is also the birth of a Rywka (Rivka) Klinger/Langsam in 1876. This is available on microfilm from the Mormon's at any Family History Center. Is there one near you? Where do you live? This is film #1201163. A version of the marriage record for Cype Langsam to Jakob Klinger is also available on film #1201163. Cross-checking Klinger, I also find on the Krakow records: KLINGER Feigel - 1875; Film #1201163 KLINGER/LANGSAM Rywka - 1876; Film #1201163 KLINGER Leon - 1878; Film #1895664 KLINGER Maksymilian - 1880; Film #1895665 KLINGER Salomon - 1882; Film #1895665 If there is any other way that I can help, please let me know. Given the geography, I still think there is a good chance that we have a connection between our families. -Moishe Miller Carol Dor Monday September 2, 2002 08:08 AM To: Moishe Miller cc: Subject: Re: Langsam Research Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS (See attached file: C.htm) Dear Moishe, I am in the very early stages of trying to trace my family's history. I don't think there is any connection with the Langsam family listed on your website. What I do know is that the parents of my grandfather, Leon Klinger, were Jakob Klinger and Cecilie (Tzippi) Langsam of Nowa Gora (Krzeszowice). There were married 5 Feb 1877. Cecilie's parents were Juda Leib Langsam and Chana. That's all I know, unfortunately. It would be wonderful if you could shed some light on my family tree. Thank you very much for your email and Shana Tova, Carol. Moishe Miller wrote: Dear Carol Elizabeth Dor, I saw your Jewishgen posting of July 10 for Langsam. I have an extensive Langsam family website and was hoping you might tell me a little more about your research. Which Langsam families of yours lived in Nowa Gora and Krakow? Who was your earliest Langsam ancestor? My site can be accessed through www.langsam.com You can also go directly to the Langsam part of the site at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/langsam.htm My home email address is moishe@langsam.com Have a happy new year! Moishe Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS - C.htm