The Ethel Raff Family
From: eileen@filmworld.com.au
Subject: Your message re Langsam
PostedDate: 04/05/99 10:34:00 PM
SendTo: CN=Moishe Miller/OU=PSG/O=Prudential
DeliveredDate: 04/05/99 10:26:59 PM
Dear Moishe
How clever to try all those email addresses and succeed in getting through
to me.
I have had a look at your website and I was extremely impressed. My only
information on Langsam comes from the family tree put together by Susan
Wynne et al. But, while it is very broad reaching, I found yours easier to
follow obviously because of its narrowness but also because there is more
detail. For the first time I was able easily to go straight back to Pesach
through Chaim Lieb.
My grandmother was Cila Raff, her mother was Ethel Fish, Ethels father
was Mendel Fish who was Miriam Langsam's son,
My grandmother had a number of siblings. Some of whom are in the Fish and
the Langsam.Spira family tree. However her father married twice and there
were other siblings from the second marriage whose names we do not know.
Cila had a brother who ended up in the USA . His name mayhave been Martin
Raff.
This is all very exciting and I shall keep watching your pages for more
developments.
Incidentally, despite my Irish name, I am a sabra born in Haifa in 1943 but
lived most of my life in Australia.
I am writing a novel at the moment and part of it is set in the forests of
easter Poland during World War II. As you probably know there were a
number of Jewish partisan camps and if you know of anybody who would help
me with experiences of this time and place - I would be extremely
grateful.
Kind regards
Eileen Naseby
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From: Eileen Naseby <eileen@filmworld.com.au>
To: 'moishe@langsam.com' <moishe@langsam.com>
Cc: 'dcthrelfo@telstra.easymail.com.au' <dcthrelfo@telstra.easymail.com.au>
Subject: RE: Langsam Family
Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 12:33 AM
Thanks for this Moishe
My info at this stage has been the Langsam family tree. I went to Poland
in October ( a long way from Sydney) and visited Dynov where my grandmother
was born. The Jewish cemetries were, of course, empty of headstones. Yet it
was a very moving experience. I intend to go back to do some further
research so maybe I will come up with further information when I have
more time. I am writing a novel which is totally fiction but the
characters are loosely based on my mother and grandmother. So because the
novel research was my main purpose in going to Poland ( and then to
Jerusalem) I had little time for things of a genealogical nature.
According to yours and Susanne's family tree the following is my lineage
Pesach Langsam
Chaim Leib
Miriam Langsam
Mendel Fish
Ethel Fish - Hirsch Raff
Cila Raff - Solomon Singer
Ursula Singer - Anthony Piercy
Eileen Piercy - David Naseby
Nigel and Toby Naseby
My mother, Ursula's, second marriage to Nigel Hall produced five children
Diana, Charmian, Stephen, Naomi, Michael
I can see this all could become very addictive
Cheers and Happy New Year
Eileen Naseby
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From: moishe@langsam.com [SMTP:moishe@langsam.com]
Sent: Saturday, 1 January 2000 7:33
To: eguzik1@aol.com; naomi-g@MSN.COM; sanfordkap@aol.com; Solalr@juno.com;
eileen@filmworld.com.au; mwerg@mindspring.com; missaque@aol.com;
alenko@netspace.net.au
Subject: Langsam Family
Hi,
All of us are researching the Langsam family. I have a website at
www.langsam.com
which some of you have seen.
I would appreciate any feedback, insight, additional info that you can
supply to supplement the site as well as connect us more firmly together.
Thanks!
-Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
PS: Please note my new email address.
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From: "Debbie Raff"
To:
Subject: Re: The Importance of the JewishGen Family Finder
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:29:10 -0800
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You are on the right track. My grandfather's 1st cousin was Abraham RAFF
(watchmaker) and his father was Hirsh Raff. He last lived in Prsymersyl
(excuse spelling - too lazy to look it up). Eileen told me that good old
Hersh RAFF was married twice, but knows nothing of the first marriage.
I made contact with my dad's first cousin a couple of year's ago. In our
phone conversation, he mentioned that my grandfather had told him that the
RAFFs were once known as FISH/FISCH. The story made no sense, and I decided
the whole thing was pretty 'fishy'. I than chanced on this Ethel FISH RAFF,
and the story seemed to have more credence. I now think that maybe this
Abraham RAFF, not my grandfather, told the cousin that story. I guess it
turned out to be true, but I don't think for my branch of the family. My
RAFFs were associated with the SICHERMAN name.
According to Eilenn Naseby of Australia at eileen@filmworld.com.au , many of
her relatives were watchmakers, also. She has a Bukowsko connection, so I
figured there must be a relationship of some type. I didn't see her family
tree, until I met her in L.A. Her RAFF branch seems to have made a pitstop
in Israel before immigrating to Australia. She was born in Palestine.
So, it looks like you have a new email address to add. Eileen is a real
interesting person. She was to have completed her first novel in January,
which is loosely based on her grandmother. She was not brought up in a
religious home and her sister and her mom seem to have become members of the
Bahai faith. I don't know if she has ever been in a synagogue. She owns a
film company, which rents historical video footage to film productions, etc.
Debbie "A watched clock never boils!"
-----Original Message-----
From: moishe@langsam.com
To: Debbie Raff
Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: The Importance of the JewishGen Family Finder
>Hi,
>Actually, your note made perfect sense. Don't be fooled by my website,
>there are plenty of holes anyhow. In fact, if you look through, you will
>see that I had a g-g-g-uncle from Bukowsko, named Shabsi Yitzchok Miller
>(1830's - 1894), who had ten kids.
>Getting back to your Australian "RAFF" related to Langsam, do you have an
>email ID for her? From Suzan's book, I am guessing this cousin is from
>Ethel & Hirsch RAFF?
>Do you know of any other Langsam's?
>-Good Luck!
>Moishe
>moishe@langsam.com
>www.langsam.com
>
>
>At 06:56 PM 1/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
>>Unfortunately, I am not related to the LANGSAM family, 'although' I met
with
>>an Australian "RAFF", who is related to the LANGSAM family through the
>>surname "FISH". We had been corresponding, and it turned out that she
>>stopped in L.A. for 2 days on her way to the U.K., and eventually Poland.
>>
>>She took out her family tree pages, which may have been compiled by Suzan
>>Wynne?? We finally realized that my grandfather's 1st cousin, who I knew
as
>>"Uncle" Abe in NY, appeared to be her grandmother's brother, who went off
to
>>America! The name of the missing brother seemed to be lost to history at
>>their end, yet my "Uncle" Abe's father and her grandmother's father both
had
>>the same first name. I am following me, but I don't know that this
actually
>>makes any sense to the outside world.
>>
>>I have run across your website before and only wish my family tree were as
>>complete. Although my surname is RAFF (and I always felt that it was
>>because we had a Rabbi in the family), I have not been able to locate that
>>Rabbi, yet!
>>
>>In reality, my grandfather came from the small town of Bukowsko, which is
>>near Sanok. I, also, found my surname in the Sanok Yizkor book related to
>>the surname SCHNEEBAUM, I believe. But have gotten nowhere going down
that
>>path.
>>Debbie RAFF
>>California, where it rained today!
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: moishe@langsam.com
>>To: Debbie Raff
>>Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 6:39 PM
>>Subject: Re: The Importance of the JewishGen Family Finder
>>
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >Since you mention your own connection to Sanok, I was wondering if any
of
>> >your OWN family had a connection to the Langsam. They had a large
presence
>> >in that basic geographical area.
>> >-Moishe Miller
>> >moishe@langsam.com
>> >www.langsam.com
>> >
>> >
>> >At 11:47 AM 1/16/00 -0800, you wrote:
>> >>Yesterday, I found myself checking entries for the JewishGen Family
Finder
>> >>for the town of Sanok. Although not a plan, I began emailing people,
who
>> >>had a surname listed in the index of the Polish book I have on the
history
>> >>of Sanok. (This is not the Yizkor book) In fact, had this actually
have
>> >>been well thought-out, I would have sat in a more comfortable chair.
>>(grin)
>> >>
>> >>Anyway, I woke up this morning to 2 requests to search this book for
>> >>surnames. Not a problem, but since both of these people had surnames
in
>>the
>> >>book, theoretically, I should have emailed them with the information,
>> >>yesterday. In fact, if everyone has listed and updated their
information,
>>I
>> >>should be getting no more requests. Either, these people are listed on
the
>> >>JGFF without an email address or they have not listed these surnames
with
>> >>JGFF. In a sense, they have become the missing link!
>> >>
>> >>So, if you have 'inherited' some new surnames, recently, and haven't
>>gotten
>> >>around to updating the info., or are new to genealogy ~~please take the
>>time
>> >>to input your information into the "Family Finder" at
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>After all, there may be another researcher out there, who is a glutton
for
>> >>punishment (vbg) like me, who would have contacted you, but your bit of
>> >>information did not exist and you may never connect.
>> >>
>> >>Debbie Raff
>> >>California
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Family from or nearby Lviv? Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you
>>there!
>> >>http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/lviv.html
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>
>
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From: "Debbie Raff"
To:
Subject: Just thought I would say, "Hi!"
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:50:25 -0700
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Miller/langsam/l5-3-8-2.htm
I happened upon your site tonight, and found our ongoing "conversation". I found
it pretty strange, actually, to be reading all of this. One of those "Twilight
Zone" moments. I still wish I could figure out my connection to the grand scheme
of the Langsam world. I did note that I mentioned that my grandfather's cousin,
Abraham RAFFs father was named Hersch, yet as I now recall, I think I settled on
Henoch in the end. So, my prior info. that he may be the "lost" brother to Eileen,
the Aussie's grandmother, may or may not be the case. Eileen was to ask some
questions on this matter after our L.A. meeting, but I don't know if this ever
happened.
Anyway, I just thought I would touch base. BTW, will you be going to London? If
so, let me know, and I will be on the look-out for you. I did go to the Boston
convention years ago, and always had the intention of going to others, but my summer
vacations seemed to get in the way.
Debbie ~ http://raff.50megs.com
"Ms Raff's Cyber-Classroom"
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I would be very interested to hear from anyone with knowledge or an interest in the Miller family.
Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
My home address is
1374 East 28th Street
Brooklyn NY 11210-5311
USA
Last updated 8/27/01